[Opinion] What is the Left Hand Path to you?

[tornribbon1402]

yes, it's almost as though demons are used to attribute horrible things to. Because if not then, then who, the angels?

but why ? i've never heard of someone actually doing horrible things with demons . can you ... give some examples ... ?

 

[HoldAll]

My point being, trading one God to other doesn't seem like in the essence of Left-Hand Path, where individual is put above all.

All the more power to you if they are helping you of course, but JCI=right hand and Demons=left hand isn't a good categorisation, imo.

That's exactly my problem with theistic Satanism. In one of the books I recently uploaded, can't remember which, the author stated what I suspected all along: "Satanism defines itself in opposition to Christianity". Some time ago I posted this Popular Satanism collection for a lark, just a small collection of a myriad of Satanic 'bibles', 'gospels', 'scriptures', etc. out there which I found disappointing because it's a missed chance to create something new, a really groundbreaking religion with a novel set of ethics and aestheics totally different from what has come before. Instead, those people have simply turned Satan into a Goth Jesus. Demonolaters aren't much different, worshipping demons like Catholics would pray to their saints. LaVey must be spinning in his grave…

I loved Stephen E. Flower's "Lords of the Left-Hand Path", @Wintruz's posts and what little I've read from Aquino's books, how the Left-Hand Path was all about disciplined self-development and radical individualism, which is an ideology I can respect but not the mindless faux-rebellious evil-chic herd celebrating Halloween all year round.

What do you get when you invert a cross? Answer: just another cross. It's all so depressing.

 

[tornribbon1402]

oh and also ! i actually heard about people doing nice things with their help . like one time , i heard of someone who found a dead kitten on the way near their home and put an incantation to a necromancy demon asking Him to care care of her soul in the after life on her fur . also some little flowers . isn't that ... a kind thing to do ... ?

 

[IllusiveOwl]

but why ? i've never heard of someone actually doing horrible things with demons . can you ... give some examples ... ?

In order to have any success with Magic, you need a roadmap to how the cosmos works at all levels, material, esthetic, divine, etc. if everyone and everything is good and cute, you're missing the yin and are half blind. Bad things don't necessarily exist, but bad actions occur, and virtually all of these bad things have to do with material motivations: list, greed, power, etc.

The demonic forces are interested in materiality, Jesus and Buddha were both offered the Earth as their kingdom before galvanizing to Truth. Therefore demons are traditionally used to further success in the material world, to gain wealth, power, Earthly knowledge, and to gratify lust. This can have LHP elements, as this is what many Black Magicians do, but a child rapist is certainly someone who is a slave to their lusts and enthralled by their evil base nature.

i heard of someone who found a dead kitten on the way near their home and put an incantation to a necromancy demon asking Him to care care of her soul in the after life on her fur . also some little flowers . isn't that ... a kind thing to do ... ?

This is a childish feel-good ritual, and is under the assumption that the kitten is in Hell and needs to be looked after by a demon. Really this conversation isn't even worth having and I'll stop responding to it to avoid further derailment on the subject of the LHP.

 

[tornribbon1402]

In order to have any success with Magic, you need a roadmap to how the cosmos works at all levels, material, esthetic, divine, etc. if everyone and everything is good and cute, you're missing the yin and are half blind. Bad things don't necessarily exist, but bad actions occur, and virtually all of these bad things have to do with material motivations: list, greed, power, etc.

The demonic forces are interested in materiality, Jesus and Buddha were both offered the Earth as their kingdom before galvanizing to Truth. Therefore demons are traditionally used to further success in the material world, to gain wealth, power, Earthly knowledge, and to gratify lust. This can have LHP elements, as this is what many Black Magicians do, but a child rapist is certainly someone who is a slave to their lusts and enthralled by their evil base nature.


This is a childish feel-good ritual, and is under the assumption that the kitten is in Hell and needs to be looked after by a demon. Really this conversation isn't even worth having and I'll stop responding to it to avoid further derailment on the subject of the LHP.

oh ... ok i understand !

 

[Amur]

LHP for me is pure Fire while RHP is pure Water.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

LHP for me is pure Fire while RHP is pure Water.

Could you elaborate on that? What about the paths makes you say that?

Your idea reminded me of a passage from Initiates of the Flame by Manly P Hall that explained worshippers of the living God symbolically being divided into Water and Fire as well, with Fire being the Sons of Cain, who grow through mind and wisdom, and the water route are the Sons of Seth, who worship through faith and emotion.

 

[Amur]

Could you elaborate on that? What about the paths makes you say that?

Your idea reminded me of a passage from Initiates of the Flame by Manly P Hall that explained worshippers of the living God symbolically being divided into Water and Fire as well, with Fire being the Sons of Cain, who grow through mind and wisdom, and the water route are the Sons of Seth, who worship through faith and emotion.

The Fire is the Divine Spark which we all Worship. The Water is the Loving Kindness or Chesed which flows through us.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

The Fire is the Divine Spark which we all Worship.

Can you explain the link between this and the Left Hand Path specifically? I'm not seeing the connection.

 

[Amur]

Can you explain the link between this and the Left Hand Path specifically? I'm not seeing the connection.

The link is that the essence of all Divinity is inside the Fire element or the Divine Spark. The connection is something that you manage yourself. But as LHP is mostly Self-Deification, it's through this self-deification of that Divine Spark which gives LHP it's character. In RHP you submit to this by surrendering, but in LHP you merely create another type of loop around it. Self-Deification is the key for LHP.

Did that explain it better?

**Edit note: We could also assume that "Taking a God-form" is another type of Self-deification, but it goes a bit around the topic "What is LHP". But still same phenomenom inside "Taking a God-form".

 

[Billionaire]

To me the LHP is the ideology that you are not required to worship anything but yourself. Sure, you can work with deities. But never bow to them. I suppose that's the gist of it for me.

LHP and RHP are both bullshit. Just pick up your grimoire and do magic

 

[JGVDRG]

In my perspective the Left Hand Path, (without mentioning the Vamachara initiated by religious outcasts in India, which consisted in a large compendium of spiritual practices and mysteries considered transgressive by the rules of standard forms of Hinduism, very roughly speaking) is the path of Separation, in opposition to the path of Dissolution (taken as Union by RHP practitioners). Which basically means going against the grain of the cosmological momentuum, knowing that the cosmos and it's creator(s) aims to engulf, assimilate and dissolve every consciousness that dwells within it's realm. Because the Macrocosmos is the Dream of another mind.

I personally like the Qabalistic reference to approach the mechanisms of both paths. The Dark Path, the Draconian (severity) Path, is the path of knowledge, ownership, to preserve and enhance individuality to heights beyond the Godly. Symbolically it could mean that this is the path that fulfills the Serpent's proposal to mankind with the offering of the Fruit of Knowledge. Going through the left pillar of the Tree of Life will lead the practitioner to the Tree of Death/Knowledge, the Qliphoth.

It means to take ownership of your own alchemical process and explore the dark evidences that exposes the very existence of the Cosmos as a hack full of flaws, backfires and accidents caused by a consciousness that cannot be taken as anything other than downright lost and incompetent. Honestly, to me, it means to radically deny the sugar-coated falsity carried by any conjecture about external reality, including philosophies, doctrines, religions, etc. This attitude will lead you to the Sinister Path eventually. It means to be full of Magic and Spirit, while accepting no hope beyond the Self's actual capabilities whatsoever.

 

[tornribbon1402]

That's exactly my problem with theistic Satanism. In one of the books I recently uploaded, can't remember which, the author stated what I suspected all along: "Satanism defines itself in opposition to Christianity". Some time ago I posted this Popular Satanism collection for a lark, just a small collection of a myriad of Satanic 'bibles', 'gospels', 'scriptures', etc. out there which I found disappointing because it's a missed chance to create something new, a really groundbreaking religion with a novel set of ethics and aestheics totally different from what has come before. Instead, those people have simply turned Satan into a Goth Jesus. Demonolaters aren't much different, worshipping demons like Catholics would pray to their saints. LaVey must be spinning in his grave…

I loved Stephen E. Flower's "Lords of the Left-Hand Path", @Wintruz's posts and what little I've read from Aquino's books, how the Left-Hand Path was all about disciplined self-development and radical individualism, which is an ideology I can respect but not the mindless faux-rebellious evil-chic herd celebrating Halloween all year round.

What do you get when you invert a cross? Answer: just another cross. It's all so depressing.

i'm not sure what so say ... i mean yes ! it would be very very nice to have a totally new religion ! but i also see nothing wrong with demonolatry and theistic satanism being similar to christianity :c personally , i find comfort in the aesthetics and some of the practices of christianity too , like the icons and praying , and now i find it even more comforting that i can do it to some deities who i truly feel happy around ! ( 〃▽〃) also , i'm not sure if this might be a bit better ... but i'm also trying to make my practice's aesthetics cuter ! like using a lot of pastels ... especially pink (*´▽`)ﾉ oh and also bows !

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i'm not sure what so say ... i mean yes ! it would be very very nice to have a totally new religion ! but i also see nothing wrong with demonolatry and theistic satanism being similar to christianity :c personally , i find comfort in the aesthetics and some of the practices of christianity too , like the icons and praying , and now i find it even more comforting that i can do it to some deities who i truly feel happy around ! ( 〃▽〃) also , i'm not sure if this might be a bit better ... but i'm also trying to make my practice's aesthetics cuter ! like using a lot of pastels ... especially pink (*´▽`)ﾉ oh and also bows !

i'm very sorry if i said anything wrong :c

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In order to have any success with Magic, you need a roadmap to how the cosmos works at all levels, material, esthetic, divine, etc. if everyone and everything is good and cute, you're missing the yin and are half blind. Bad things don't necessarily exist, but bad actions occur, and virtually all of these bad things have to do with material motivations: list, greed, power, etc.

The demonic forces are interested in materiality, Jesus and Buddha were both offered the Earth as their kingdom before galvanizing to Truth. Therefore demons are traditionally used to further success in the material world, to gain wealth, power, Earthly knowledge, and to gratify lust. This can have LHP elements, as this is what many Black Magicians do, but a child rapist is certainly someone who is a slave to their lusts and enthralled by their evil base nature.


This is a childish feel-good ritual, and is under the assumption that the kitten is in Hell and needs to be looked after by a demon. Really this conversation isn't even worth having and I'll stop responding to it to avoid further derailment on the subject of the LHP.

this is a childish feel - good ritual , and is under the assumption that the kitten is in hell and needs to be looked after by a demon .

also ... i know you won't reply anymore , but i just wanted to say , i see nothing wrong with that . like , if the kitten really is in a horrible , horrible place like hell , with unimaginable torture , probably sent there by the evil christian god , i think i would be nice to have a cute , cute demon , JUST AS CUTE AS HER , to take care of her and protect her from getting tortured . and even if she isn't in hell , i don't think it would hurt to just have someone protect her in the afterlife , no matter where she is or what is she doing :c

also , something even more sad that i forgot to add was that at first , that person helped the kitten get off from a tree . and then , a few days later , they just found it in a pool of blood in the middle of the road . it probably got atttacked by some dogs . very sad and horrible story ...

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i'm not sure what so say ... i mean yes ! it would be very very nice to have a totally new religion ! but i also see nothing wrong with demonolatry and theistic satanism being similar to christianity :c personally , i find comfort in the aesthetics and some of the practices of christianity too , like the icons and praying , and now i find it even more comforting that i can do it to some deities who i truly feel happy around ! ( 〃▽〃) also , i'm not sure if this might be a bit better ... but i'm also trying to make my practice's aesthetics cuter ! like using a lot of pastels ... especially pink (*´▽`)ﾉ oh and also bows !

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i'm very sorry if i said anything wrong :c

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also ... i know you won't reply anymore , but i just wanted to say , i see nothing wrong with that . like , if the kitten really is in a horrible , horrible place like hell , with unimaginable torture , probably sent there by the evil christian god , i think i would be nice to have a cute , cute demon , JUST AS CUTE AS HER , to take care of her and protect her from getting tortured . and even if she isn't in hell , i don't think it would hurt to just have someone protect her in the afterlife , no matter where she is or what is she doing :c

also , something even more sad that i forgot to add was that at first , that person helped the kitten get off from a tree . and then , a few days later , they just found it in a pool of blood in the middle of the road . it probably got atttacked by some dogs . very sad and horrible story ...

again i'm sorry if i said anything wrong :c

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i'm not sure what so say ... i mean yes ! it would be very very nice to have a totally new religion ! but i also see nothing wrong with demonolatry and theistic satanism being similar to christianity :c personally , i find comfort in the aesthetics and some of the practices of christianity too , like the icons and praying , and now i find it even more comforting that i can do it to some deities who i truly feel happy around ! ( 〃▽〃) also , i'm not sure if this might be a bit better ... but i'm also trying to make my practice's aesthetics cuter ! like using a lot of pastels ... especially pink (*´▽`)ﾉ oh and also bows !

Post automatically merged: Today at 3:57 PM

i'm very sorry if i said anything wrong :c

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also ... i know you won't reply anymore , but i just wanted to say , i see nothing wrong with that . like , if the kitten really is in a horrible , horrible place like hell , with unimaginable torture , probably sent there by the evil christian god , i think i would be nice to have a cute , cute demon , JUST AS CUTE AS HER , to take care of her and protect her from getting tortured . and even if she isn't in hell , i don't think it would hurt to just have someone protect her in the afterlife , no matter where she is or what is she doing :c

also , something even more sad that i forgot to add was that at first , that person helped the kitten get off from a tree . and then , a few days later , they just found it in a pool of blood in the middle of the road . it probably got atttacked by some dogs . very sad and horrible story ...

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again i'm sorry if i said anything wrong :c

AND YES , I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ANGELS SHOUD HAVE THE HORRIBLE THINGS ATTRIBUTED TO THEM INSTEAD

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i'm not sure what so say ... i mean yes ! it would be very very nice to have a totally new religion ! but i also see nothing wrong with demonolatry and theistic satanism being similar to christianity :c personally , i find comfort in the aesthetics and some of the practices of christianity too , like the icons and praying , and now i find it even more comforting that i can do it to some deities who i truly feel happy around ! ( 〃▽〃) also , i'm not sure if this might be a bit better ... but i'm also trying to make my practice's aesthetics cuter ! like using a lot of pastels ... especially pink (*´▽`)ﾉ oh and also bows !

Post automatically merged: Today at 3:57 PM

i'm very sorry if i said anything wrong :c

Post automatically merged: Today at 4:08 PM

also ... i know you won't reply anymore , but i just wanted to say , i see nothing wrong with that . like , if the kitten really is in a horrible , horrible place like hell , with unimaginable torture , probably sent there by the evil christian god , i think i would be nice to have a cute , cute demon , JUST AS CUTE AS HER , to take care of her and protect her from getting tortured . and even if she isn't in hell , i don't think it would hurt to just have someone protect her in the afterlife , no matter where she is or what is she doing :c

also , something even more sad that i forgot to add was that at first , that person helped the kitten get off from a tree . and then , a few days later , they just found it in a pool of blood in the middle of the road . it probably got atttacked by some dogs . very sad and horrible story ...

Post automatically merged: Today at 4:08 PM

again i'm sorry if i said anything wrong :c

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AND YES , I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ANGELS SHOUD HAVE THE HORRIBLE THINGS ATTRIBUTED TO THEM INSTEAD

or ... i'm not sure ... at least some of them ...