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Who is ALLAH? The Sovereign of the Unseen and the Manifest

Angelkesfarl

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My friend—and I repeat, my friend: Place a mirror at an angle between a pile of trash and surrounding trees, then circle halfway around it. From one angle, you will see only the trash; from another, you will see only the trees. My sense tells me that within you lies a resentment cloaked in moral justice, which has driven you toward this narrow view focused solely on ISIS. For your information, it was Muslims who fought ISIS; we all renounced them and designated them a terrorist organization until we eliminated them. They even slaughtered Egyptian captives in Libya. Their invocation of religion does not invalidate the Oneness of the Divine; rather, it impugns their application, which is warped by their own distorted desires and used as a cover for their actions.

In Hinduism, if I were to turn my mirror toward human evil, I would also find pretexts for hatred and bring forth evidence to confirm it. However, my mirror would be distorted by the emotion of anger, which would blind me to the inner vision of tranquility and spirituality within Hindu thought. Do you understand my point? I believe once you calm down, you will.

Unfortunately, my response may not appear immediately because I am currently under 'probation,' where my posts must be reviewed before being published; so please excuse me if I am late in replying. This is how we will calmly understand one another—at a table based on the desire to understand the 'Other' and not projecting the actions of a few onto the whole. Otherwise, if we unleash hatred, we will find in every ideology and religion that which condemns it and makes us hate its adherents.

As for desertification and your other arguments, they are also a cover for the anger within your soul. 'Emotional blindness' is a dangerous condition that veils the truth from its owner. My intention in my signature is not the exclusion of others, but the adherence to truth and justice, even toward those who are unfair. Look at the words of Gandhi or the love poems in the Hinduism you admire, then look within yourself to see with the eye of insight: Is what you feel the truth, or merely a shackle preventing you from seeing the truth? This is the question?
 

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My friend Morell, do telescopes see the mathematical and physical laws behind the life and death of stars? Shall we subject the Divine to the limited boundaries of modern science? Science may evolve to see what we, as humans incapable of encompassing all the laws and dimensions of the universe, cannot yet perceive. All our scientists agree that we see only a small fraction of the observable universe and not what lies beyond it. Shall we settle for mere theories? Do you not sometimes feel that searching for 'fingerprints' of the Creator in matter is like searching for the 'author' within the atoms of ink in his book? The 'God' I speak of is not an adversary of science, but its Originator. He is the one who granted us the entire universe and left us as His vicegerents within it by His will and under His guardianship, because as you can see, we are smaller than the management of the universe. Can all the powers and sciences of humanity manage the cosmos? I believe we are the ones who need Him, not He who needs us.
Geniality of these scientists is way beyond me, but yes, the telescopes allow them to see and count life and death of stars thanks to what they learn from various ways they use telescopes.

God can create something from nothing. But every sorcerer does that too when making servitors, making an idea that comes from nothing, given will and energy it becomes a being able to influence the world. To create a universe is then just matter of time and practice. We are baby gods. We have potential to create universes just like the old god. We just didn't master it yet.
 

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My friend—and I repeat, my friend: Place a mirror at an angle between a pile of trash and surrounding trees, then circle halfway around it. From one angle, you will see only the trash; from another, you will see only the trees. My sense tells me that within you lies a resentment cloaked in moral justice, which has driven you toward this narrow view focused solely on ISIS. For your information, it was Muslims who fought ISIS; we all renounced them and designated them a terrorist organization until we eliminated them. They even slaughtered Egyptian captives in Libya. Their invocation of religion does not invalidate the Oneness of the Divine; rather, it impugns their application, which is warped by their own distorted desires and used as a cover for their actions.

In Hinduism, if I were to turn my mirror toward human evil, I would also find pretexts for hatred and bring forth evidence to confirm it. However, my mirror would be distorted by the emotion of anger, which would blind me to the inner vision of tranquility and spirituality within Hindu thought. Do you understand my point? I believe once you calm down, you will.

Unfortunately, my response may not appear immediately because I am currently under 'probation,' where my posts must be reviewed before being published; so please excuse me if I am late in replying. This is how we will calmly understand one another—at a table based on the desire to understand the 'Other' and not projecting the actions of a few onto the whole. Otherwise, if we unleash hatred, we will find in every ideology and religion that which condemns it and makes us hate its adherents.

As for desertification and your other arguments, they are also a cover for the anger within your soul. 'Emotional blindness' is a dangerous condition that veils the truth from its owner. My intention in my signature is not the exclusion of others, but the adherence to truth and justice, even toward those who are unfair. Look at the words of Gandhi or the love poems in the Hinduism you admire, then look within yourself to see with the eye of insight: Is what you feel the truth, or merely a shackle preventing you from seeing the truth? This is the question?
In your previous post you mentioned me and mentioned a divine face. If Allah exists then there can be no divine face for every face would be divine for Allah would be all faces. Allah would be everything even the so called "ugly" faces.

It seems you are doing what you criticize me for doing and then showing me the "divine" face I should be seeing. Honoring anything would honor Allah and I think believers of both Christianity and Islam should be more religiously tolerant or tolerant to even those that do not want to follow a religion. I myself prefer to be agnostic.

You have not succeeded in getting people to like eastern values more in fact I think you have done the opposite. You have not changed tactics to allow for more dialogue between Eastern and Western philosophies. If your mission is that of a diplomat then a diplomat needs to show humility.

@Angelkesfarl I think you should rework your approach. I do not know you though so you are either someone to stubborn to change or know what you are doing. In either case I implore you to reconsider and to change your actions.
 

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Ohana and AlfrunGrima, you touched upon a profound point regarding 'Hinduism' and the 'Egregore.' As humans, we tend to personify unseen powers to understand them, and this is what created 'apparent multiplicity.' But let us reflect together as brothers: Is 'The Source' affected if people misdescribe it? 'Allah' is far beyond being a mere 'collective energy' (Egregore) distorted by human actions. He is 'The Constant' in a world of 'Variables.' What we see of blood in history is a 'distortion in the human mirror' and not in 'The Divine Face.'
Every human has the power to create. We co-create gods also every time we work with it, every time we worship and every time we communicate about or with a God. A God is never only purely the source, the observer and practitioner adds to the energy as well. It is like the observer in quantum mechanics. Every time, always. Allah has a lot of followers who are quite active in adding not the nicest information and energy to Allah. That is what it is, we have to recognize both the source ànd the co-creation and deal with it. It is there and we can't deny it. A theological discussion cannot change that. I am sorry, but gods are all to often vehicles of human emotions and thoughts, vessels of co-created energies and a mascot of fighting populations and followers. And this is why I keep magick and religion separate. The water of the spring can taste delicious, but if it is infected it is not good to take a drink anymore.

If you want that people talk and think more honest and fair about Allah, then the Muslim extremists should stop being aggressive. After that it takes one, two, three or more generations (we can't really predict that) before people are willing to see Allah with another focus that better suits the source that you describe. We are all human after all and there has been a lot of pain and trauma..... And no, I am not implying that you have direct power to stop extremists but if you want to change that culture, you have to do it from within.
 

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Even now, Turkey is smuggling thousands of Al-Qaeda-linked Uzbek & Turk terrorists into Syria, training then to massacre Kurds, Alawites, Christians and Druze. Not only does @Angelkesfarl seem to ignore the crimes that Arabs and Turks committed to spread Islam, but he glorifies their work.

It's very gross to see Islam's crimes being whitewashed, while pre-Islamic cultures are being stolen/appropriated...and we're supposed to pretend that some Islamic fairy dust was sprinkled all over the Middle East, India and Africa until everyone woke up to Allah's angels singing "Hit Me Baby One More Time"
 

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In my last response, I performed a clear cognitive projection of the individual's inner mirror, linking thought, the self, and the angle of vision. So, how was my talk about the Face of God understood? Furthermore, the topic is about Who is Allah, not who are the rulers in Islam. Finally, if we take any ideology and subject it to a political dialogue, I repeat: it will lead us to each person boasting, mourning, and projecting what is in their own mirror onto reality. Truth is sovereign, even if it is not acknowledged; the fact that the sun orbits the center of the galaxy will not be affected by someone's approval or resentment.

We cannot create things from nothing because we, fundamentally—and anyone claiming magical knowledge—need tools: thoughts, speech, plant materials, minerals, animals. That is, one does not create from nothing. In the Quran, there is a simple challenge from the Divine where He says they could not create a fly even if they gathered together for it. That is: let anyone claiming divinity create just a fly, as He says, from nothing, or even from its separate elements—let them gather them and create a fly from them. Nay, He went further: if the fly should snatch anything from them, they cannot recover it from the fly.

Magic is nothing but forces you seek aid from, and when you reach its highest levels, you affect others through the power of your own delusion and subjective self. This power is not yours; it is merely a "temporal loan." In reality, we possess nothing but time. Look around you truthfully: did you create the mountains? Where were those "gods" that you admitted in the course of your talk were fed by human creation? These are mere lines in movies talking about Greek philosophies of rebellion against the Olympian gods—gods we haven't seen on the mountaintops nor found the remains of Zeus's palaces.

For a moment, let me tell you that Allah describes the emotional state of those who do not want to acknowledge Him as follows: it is a staring gaze accompanied by suppressed anger and a refusal to believe, mixed with sarcasm and arrogance. But let’s speak of reality: the creation of so-called "magical servitors" in Eastern sciences is merely finding numerical forces in literal structures, aided ultimately by Divine words and a natural order to summon—and look at the truth before you—a spirit ("Jinn") to inhabit a form you give specific characteristics to, demanding that for the entity to enjoy them, it must serve you. Has it hit home yet? Come on, guys, you aren't debating a child or a naive person here. In ancient literature, there is a symbol for making a servant from clay, names, and breathing life... etc. Has any of you seen it or achieved it? Can the sorcerers who invented magic itself and left behind their remains and books—which everyone follows—create their own personal happiness or global sovereignty?

And the more profound question: were they able to keep even their souls from death or their bodies from annihilation? I will say with utmost diplomacy: No, it hasn't happened and it won't. No one will live forever on earth; no one will reach eternity before tasting death. Even the most powerful demons will die, and the angels will die before the Day of Judgment. Nothing will remain, even after the destruction of the entire universe, except the Deity alone, just as He created everything from nothing alone. Who bears the cost of a billion "intelligent membranes" in the wombs of women and similar billions in the wombs of animals so that the fetus may live?

We are not "baby gods." I remember Odin's words in the introduction of the first Thor movie: "We are not gods; gods do not die." The One I am talking about is not heedless of us nor distracted, but He created us and made us colonize the earth, and He has what simulates a "record" for everything. No one will escape with their crime. He who killed will return and be held accountable. All tyrants throughout history have not escaped the consequences of their actions—this is the truth in which I believe. Rather, a day will come when every person takes their right; even the ant that killed an ant will be held accountable: why did you kill it? Everyone with consciousness will return. The Day of Judgment will come because, in my creed, it is an oath from the Divine by His truth—and what an irony of fate that He says: "And indeed, it is the truth, just as you are speaking."

We will not be gods; rather, we will reach the utmost limits of worldly science thanks to what the Divine Himself left for us. But we will not bring the dead back to life; that was only the miracle of Jesus Christ from the Divine, not due to any power Jesus himself possessed, but as a Divine gift to him so that previous peoples could see the greatness of the God you mock. Did the One and Only God create us to be His enemies? Did He create you to live and thrive? It is Him to whom souls pray—even the sorcerers—saying: "You are the One who does not hasten the punishment for the sinner, but gives him of Your mercy." Is this not the essence of the prayers in the books of the Key of Solomon and everything that followed them?

By Your power, I come and ask You, I who am Your creation, to... and you ask for whatever you wish, requesting the descent of entities you could not stand before. If you were as strong as you say, then show me your strength! Summon the most powerful demons without fortifications, without circles, without anything, and execute your free will upon them and make them lift you above the stars—stars they couldn't even lift themselves to! Since you are the "scientists" and I am the "ignorant fanatic" in your cognitive presence—which is void of true power—then create money, create prestige, create sovereignty, crush pain, annihilate tyrants!

And what an irony of fate again: that the most powerful sorcerer allies with demons, or becomes a right hand and devouts himself to ally with angels. Just because a creature possesses some advantages like you—just as a shark would if you met it in the ocean—magic will not avail you. Likewise, magic will not enable you to kill demons or even possess them by your own strength, so how can you be a god? From my realistic perspective, without prior biases, I asked myself these same questions. I stayed up for days and years contemplating where the truth lies. Is the truth as known by someone with the least education indeed the truth? I cannot say the Sun is Mars because someone tells me that what rises is Mars and what shines in the dark is the Sun, or that a cockroach actually has nineteen stomachs and a bee lays gold eggs. All this is sheer nonsense and lies. Likewise, the truth is that which, even if it collided with and shattered a million trillion mountains of ignorance and lies, would penetrate them and turn them into nothingness before its power, survival, and steadfastness—because it is the Truth.

Spare us the clever rhetorical tricks; they will not work with me. Do not hide behind the background of projection just for maneuvering and escaping the mention of the Origin and the Foundation, which is Who is Allah. He will answer, not I: "The Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs." He says: "Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted." He addresses humanity, saying: "O people, an example is presented: [is] a slave owned by several quarreling partners better... or a man belonging exclusively to one man?"

Who is Allah? Is there any creator in the heavens and the earth who provides for you besides the Deity? Who grows all those trees and flows the delicious cold water in all our rivers? Is there anyone as forbearing as Him, providing for you even while you hate and curse Him? If I cursed you, would you tolerate me? We all commit sin, but the Face of the Most Holy is looking and seeing all that is in the chests—what is in your thought, my thought, the thought of those before us, and those who will come after us.

Let me introduce you to who Allah is: Allah who created Mary, Jesus, Metatron, and Satan. There is a Divine question that translates to: "I did not make them witnesses to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves." Did anyone witness or participate in creating themselves, making their eyes blue by their sole will and not by the choice of their parents? To reach the utmost madness of philosophies: can you create yourself however you like, just as you create a servitor from nothing?

In the words of my friend AlfrunGrima, there are important and useful words: that he does not like mixing religion with magic. Good; I see it as a truth, for magic is polluted and religion is pure. Isn't its name Verum? What does Verum mean? But I will say: renounce hatred and preconceived notions, and understand. My voice has gone hoarse from reminding you: I opened this topic to know who Allah is, what the Muslims' idea of Him is, what the effect of the Divine Names is, and what the benefit is in prayers and praises to Allah.

If you deny Him, then replace everything with your own "gods" and let's see how they will give to you if they are real. Where were they when the heavens and earth were created? In the Hermetic philosophies of Hermes Trismegistus himself, in his book, Isis spoke to him about the idea of associating partners with God and that they were created from the Deity and the sixty gods and their roles—so where are the rest? Are they also gods partnering with them, or are they not gods in the first place and merely a human "Egregore" created by the devotions of sorcerers through the agreement of Satan and the council of magic to exist under multiple names and different essences behind those alleged gods? As in Western thought with the Qliphoth demons and the usurpers of divinity who claim it? Are they not present in your thought?

I only said "Who is Allah," and a flood of war opened up. Let me strip the truth bare as has happened before in Western literature and say: we don't want to debate well without escaping behind masks of terrorism, fear, and pain just to run away from one idea—which is that we don't want to hear the name of the Muslims' God except in saying "In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful," or reciting certain Surahs, or Eastern evocations. Thus we remain fools, knowing nothing of that philosophy except a hollow ring of its echo. We don't want to see how the food is cooked; we want it on a special menu that sees Islam and its God as a god among gods, and not as a singular God, the Creator of all things as He is in Truth.

And thus you fall into a very large fallacy of lack of perception of concepts, confusion, and chaos, as characterized by Western magic after years of experiments with ancient magic and the failure of its glittering claims to appear. So, will you also come to us to say that even the gods and ideas we believe in are also mere imagination and not real gods?

You are shaking our faith, man, and leaving us in a cognitive confrontation with the mirror of our souls in public! For this, we will justify, debate, try to refute your argument, slander you, and attach any possible accusation to you and the reality of your intentions in any direction and on all levels—just to stay calm and reassure ourselves that everything is fine and we can sleep peacefully like a child who ate chocolate and brushed his teeth.

As for me, as a researcher, unfortunately, I find no rest for you except by drinking from the spring of truths. I do not sleep peacefully unless I know the truth; for he who knows is not like he who does not know.

Thank you all... My greetings.
 

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And thus you fall into a very large fallacy of lack of perception of concepts, confusion, and chaos, as characterized by Western magic after years of experiments with ancient magic and the failure of its glittering claims to appear. So, will you also come to us to say that even the gods and ideas we believe in are also mere imagination and not real gods?

As for me, as a researcher, unfortunately, I find no rest for you except by drinking from the spring of truths. I do not sleep peacefully unless I know the truth; for he who knows is not like he who does not know.
After your answer, there is only one conclusion left. You deny that humans have the ability to create because of your faith in Allah. If you can't accept that people can create and co-create their world, then you are NOT a magician. Magic is creation, you can't do magic without creating things. Yes, it is simply as that. Witches hold one thing in mind: "if can't find the witch and the magic in your own being, you will not be able to find the anywhere." If one can't accept en believe the power from within, then there will be no magic at all.

And Gods are real, but they are a co-creation too and that was clear enough in my above post, there was no way to mis-read that. That brings me to your discussion style: you are only producing long texts to hear your own voice and you are not really paying attention to the posts from other people in the discussion. You cherry-pick from other posts to get your own building blocks for your long story. This is not having a conversation and this is not even doing research at all. This is telling long stories to find an echo chamber for your own thoughts and emotions about your religion.You won't find your echo chamber here for this is a magic forum and the most people are magicians in one way or another.

And don't call me friend or Alfrun every time. We are not friends, we together never had a process behind us to become friends. ....... And sorry, I am only Alfrun for a few intimacy. For the most people I am Alfrun Grima.
 

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Let me introduce you to who Allah is: Allah who created Mary, Jesus, Metatron, and Satan. There is a Divine question that translates to: "I did not make them witnesses to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves." Did anyone witness or participate in creating themselves, making their eyes blue by their sole will and not by the choice of their parents? To reach the utmost madness of philosophies: can you create yourself however you like, just as you create a servitor from nothing?

In the words of my friend AlfrunGrima, there are important and useful words: that he does not like mixing religion with magic. Good; I see it as a truth, for magic is polluted and religion is pure. Isn't its name Verum? What does Verum mean? But I will say: renounce hatred and preconceived notions, and understand. My voice has gone hoarse from reminding you: I opened this topic to know who Allah is, what the Muslims' idea of Him is, what the effect of the Divine Names is, and what the benefit is in prayers and praises to Allah.

If you deny Him, then replace everything with your own "gods" and let's see how they will give to you if they are real. Where were they when the heavens and earth were created? In the Hermetic philosophies of Hermes Trismegistus himself, in his book, Isis spoke to him about the idea of associating partners with God and that they were created from the Deity and the sixty gods and their roles—so where are the rest? Are they also gods partnering with them, or are they not gods in the first place and merely a human "Egregore" created by the devotions of sorcerers through the agreement of Satan and the council of magic to exist under multiple names and different essences behind those alleged gods? As in Western thought with the Qliphoth demons and the usurpers of divinity who claim it? Are they not present in your thought?
This is preaching. You do religion and you do not do magic. In fact, you just directly said that what everyone here does is polluted. I assume that what you do you consider pure.

All magic you can do is to weave your words to be gentle and kind like silk, luring us into your religion.

What award should I nominate you for? Nun or Asswipe?
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Nun... definitely Nun, cause you are no fun.
 
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