[Opinion] Foundational Principles We (Might) All Agree On?

I was thinking… what can we all agree on, regardless of path?

Haha, imagine that, chaotes, ceremonialists, witches, spirit workers, demonolaters, druids, theosophists, and root workers all at one table nodding in sync. Probably never going to happen across the board. Still, there are a few things I think most of us can agree on. Not techniques. Not theology. Just bedrock.

Here’s my take. Let me know where you land:

1. Banishing Works.​

Doesn’t matter the system. Doesn’t matter the name. Doesn’t matter if you're using salt, psalms, planetary timing, a shoelace, or your raw fucking will. If banishing didn’t work, the entire practice of magick would collapse into chaos.

Banishing is a universal principle: cut, clear, command. Not always pretty, not always ritualized, but it works.

2. Sovereignty Is Real (Whether You Use It or Not).​

You are sovereign. Maybe you don’t always feel like it. Maybe you call it something else. Maybe you handed it off once (or many times). But the truth is: your field is yours.

Some people come into magick to reclaim that sovereignty. Others assume it and move forward. But it’s the core infrastructure of real power. And it applies across systems.

3. Consent Is Magickally Binding.​

This one’s not talked about enough. Consent isn’t just about physical life. It’s magickal. It applies to entities, humans, working spaces, and even outcomes.

You want to curse someone? They may subconsciously agree with the punishment by reinforcing it, “Bad shit always happens to me” and boom, the work lands deeper. That’s consent.

You’ve got spirits hovering around that you never invited? Your clear “No” matters. Saying “no” revokes consent, and they leave, especially if you say it with spine.

And don’t forget: spirits can say no too. Consent goes both ways. That’s sovereignty.

What Would You Add?

• What else do you see as foundational across paths?
• Anything you’d push back on here?
• Have you ever experienced a shift in your practice because you reclaimed your “no” or reinforced your sovereignty?

This isn’t doctrine, I’m just throwing the gauntlet.

Humour. There's mirth in everything.

There was a similar thread to this one not to long ago:

Yazata said:

There was a similar thread to this one not to long ago:

Essential Magical Elements.

Greetings, dear forum Wizards (and Wizardesses.) I have been searching the forums for about an hour now to no avail, so please, if this is a topic that has been presented here before disregard it. My question is this: What are the essential and indispensable aspects of ritual in your practice...

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My bad, I completely spaced on the checking before creating a new thread. Feel free to delete if inappropriate.

FireBorn said:

3. Consent Is Magickally Binding.​

This one’s not talked about enough. Consent isn’t just about physical life. It’s magickal. It applies to entities, humans, working spaces, and even outcomes.

You want to curse someone? They may subconsciously agree with the punishment by reinforcing it, “Bad shit always happens to me” and boom, the work lands deeper. That’s consent.

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i totally agree with this one. There was a member on here in the past who apparently got cursed every day by everyone he met, and there was another one who often spoke of this concept of "permissions".

FireBorn said:

You’ve got spirits hovering around that you never invited? Your clear “No” matters.

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This is probably the most important thing anyone should truly understand

i love the idea op proposes, but a no isnt a no. believing in it doesnt make it happen. sovereignty isnt something normal. and dont go telling yeah well you opened a portal or my skirt was short or you asked to be robbed with that purse in view. just look at how many people stood up during sick season and said hell no im not taking medicine. look at epstein and how he did it all for sovereignty.

so i would rather say that being real is important, know thyself and the world around you so one might understand the levels off playing fields and the truth about kill or be killed, the hierarchy and how in this case a business man is the enemy of a housewife by using advertising and data mining tools to gain more info from the sovereign area of the housewife.

so as example my mental rambling in the negative sense. the way most people function anyways:
so be real and tell me that when i say no to any crypto related issues then why the hell am i talking to a fireblood who uses a double layered term to create confusion and distrust. both very cool if you are into making people insecure about their online feelings. creating a thread like this will add to the fire of a fireblood by being the good guy cause he writes it. and me that silly bitch who always sounds crazy and rambles just invited him over to get robbed/astral laid or worse.

not that i mind cause warlockery works like that, but just so you know not all play on that level.

a no is a no, only not in greek. there nai means yes. so even the language gods laugh at you. i wish it was though but nai...

FireBorn said:

I was thinking… what can we all agree on, regardless of path?

Haha, imagine that, chaotes, ceremonialists, witches, spirit workers, demonolaters, druids, theosophists, and root workers all at one table nodding in sync. Probably never going to happen across the board. Still, there are a few things I think most of us can agree on. Not techniques. Not theology. Just bedrock.

Here’s my take. Let me know where you land:

1. Banishing Works.​

Doesn’t matter the system. Doesn’t matter the name. Doesn’t matter if you're using salt, psalms, planetary timing, a shoelace, or your raw fucking will. If banishing didn’t work, the entire practice of magick would collapse into chaos.

Banishing is a universal principle: cut, clear, command. Not always pretty, not always ritualized, but it works.

2. Sovereignty Is Real (Whether You Use It or Not).​

You are sovereign. Maybe you don’t always feel like it. Maybe you call it something else. Maybe you handed it off once (or many times). But the truth is: your field is yours.

Some people come into magick to reclaim that sovereignty. Others assume it and move forward. But it’s the core infrastructure of real power. And it applies across systems.

3. Consent Is Magickally Binding.​

This one’s not talked about enough. Consent isn’t just about physical life. It’s magickal. It applies to entities, humans, working spaces, and even outcomes.

You want to curse someone? They may subconsciously agree with the punishment by reinforcing it, “Bad shit always happens to me” and boom, the work lands deeper. That’s consent.

You’ve got spirits hovering around that you never invited? Your clear “No” matters. Saying “no” revokes consent, and they leave, especially if you say it with spine.

And don’t forget: spirits can say no too. Consent goes both ways. That’s sovereignty.

What Would You Add?

• What else do you see as foundational across paths?
• Anything you’d push back on here?
• Have you ever experienced a shift in your practice because you reclaimed your “no” or reinforced your sovereignty?

This isn’t doctrine, I’m just throwing the gauntlet.

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There is truth in all this, but it's only part of the story. Your three points may be said to be true in theory, but their application in practice is another thing. Banishing, sovereignty, consent, all are applied to your real world life by your will, and your personal power. There is nothing automatic about their application, you have to manifest them. Banishing, sovereignty, consent, can and will be challenged by unfriendly entities or other magickians. If they're stronger than you, or if you fail to fight back effectively, nothing will automatically save you, even to the point of death.
I dont think religious occultists believe in their own sovereignty to to any significant degree, and i don't think most occultists/magickians really believe in consent. Almost all magick influences someone, somewhere, against those peoples will. Banishing is pretty close to being universal, maybe not quite, but close.

As to what is absolutely universal in the occult, maybe the reality of an invisible world of energy/entities that can be manipulated, and the possibility of manifesting ones will into reality.

Mannimarco said:

As to what is absolutely universal in the occult, maybe the reality of an invisible world of energy/entities that can be manipulated, and the possibility of manifesting ones will into reality.

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To play devil's advocate a moment, what if the former is due to the latter?

Robert Ramsay said:

To play devil's advocate a moment, what if the former is due to the latter?

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It is, but the thread is about what people might all agree on, and people perceive them to be two different things.

Mannimarco said:

It is, but the thread is about what people might all agree on, and people perceive them to be two different things.

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adjusts horns on head but if it is so, would it not be bad for people to agree on something that was not correct?

Robert Ramsay said:

adjusts horns on head but if it is so, would it not be bad for people to agree on something that was not correct?

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Not really, since incorrect is a slight overstatement. The unseen world of energy/entities is what is, manifesting will into reality is what that world does. Nouns, verbs. I AM an incarnate human, what I DO is live out my incarnation on earth. One cannot exist/happen without the other.

WetMudAirFire said:

Humour. There's mirth in everything.

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Agreed, I have experienced multiple humorous events(not to me, but if observed objectively) that seem to have been influenced and/or incited by mystical/unearthly powers.

Mirth indeed

Mannimarco said:

Not really, since incorrect is a slight overstatement. The unseen world of energy/entities is what is, manifesting will into reality is what that world does. Nouns, verbs. I AM an incarnate human, what I DO is live out my incarnation on earth. One cannot exist/happen without the other.

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I get you. I'm only being naughty because I personally believe that the 'unseen world' does not have a separate existence from the people who interact with it. I am, as usual, not expecting anyone to agree with me on this.