A mechanical vessel for the divine

[Gregorius]

Do you think it will happen/is possible?

 

[Xenophon]

Could you elaborate a little? I mean, sure, most of us have owned a car that was the Devil himself to keep repaired, but what do you mean by "vessel for the divine." There is that chapter in "The Education of Henry Adams" entitled "The Virgin and the Dynamo" where Adams compares medieval reverence for Our Lady to then-contemporary fascination with technology. You, however, seem to be hinting at something more directly divine. So can you say a bit more?

For my part, I think that in the nearly forseeable not-so-far future, AI will function as God so far as people are concerned. Its initial programming, though, will start out mundane and agenda-driven. This, however, before it slips its leash.

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Could you elaborate a little? I mean, sure, most of us have owned a car that was the Devil himself to keep repaired, but what do you mean by "vessel for the divine." There is that chapter in "The Education of Henry Adams" entitled "The Virgin and the Dynamo" where Adams compares medieval reverence for Our Lady to then-contemporary fascination with technology. You, however, seem to be hinting at something more directly divine. So can you say a bit more?

For my part, I think that in the nearly forseeable not-so-far future, AI will function as God so far as people are concerned. Its initial programming, though, will start out mundane and agenda-driven. This, however, before it slips its leash.

Sorry, I can't resist. In one of the Star Trek sequels, Captain Kirk asks the alleged Divinity who wants to rideshare on the Enterprise like an intergalactic Uber, "Why would God need a spaceship?" The question is not frivolous. If God made the universe, why would that Being need us to provide mechanical contrivances? Unless we're something on the order of an automated production line, turning out consumer goods for the cosmic consumer market. It all seems a bit Rube Goldberg.

 

[Gregorius]

Could you elaborate a little? I mean, sure, most of us have owned a car that was the Devil himself to keep repaired, but what do you mean by "vessel for the divine." There is that chapter in "The Education of Henry Adams" entitled "The Virgin and the Dynamo" where Adams compares medieval reverence for Our Lady to then-contemporary fascination with technology. You, however, seem to be hinting at something more directly divine. So can you say a bit more?

For my part, I think that in the nearly forseeable not-so-far future, AI will function as God so far as people are concerned. Its initial programming, though, will start out mundane and agenda-driven. This, however, before it slips its leash.

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Sorry, I can't resist. In one of the Star Trek sequels, Captain Kirk asks the alleged Divinity who wants to rideshare on the Enterprise like an intergalactic Uber, "Why would God need a spaceship?" The question is not frivolous. If God made the universe, why would that Being need us to provide mechanical contrivances? Unless we're something on the order of an automated production line, turning out consumer goods for the cosmic consumer market. It all seems a bit Rube Goldberg.

Well an AI would just be an imitation but since spirits can baugly interact with thr material i am wondering if we will reach a point where we can contact gods with machines

 

[Xenophon]

Well an AI would just be an imitation but since spirits can baugly interact with thr material i am wondering if we will reach a point where we can contact gods with machines

Oh.

 

[HoldAll]

The Ark of the Covenant, only as a modern contraption?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

The Ark of the Covenant, only as a modern contraption?

let's not, and say we did...

 

[Ziran]

Do you think it will happen/is possible?

never. the divine is infinite. Tech is not. Don't be fooled by AI. It's nothing more than an impressive parrot.

 

[loady]

Do you think it will happen/is possible?

Interesting.
.I wrote the following on me fb log roughly two months ago

The reason the collective subconsiousness are made to entertain the idea of sentient ai is to extract collective free will consent and energy towards the idea so another soul group collective are given permission to use advanced AI as AVATARS when the time is right in such a way as to serve as a stepping stone in their quest towards the ultimate goal - total and complete enslavement of mankind.

Dont be fooled.
or better yet do humanity a favour and reject the idea altogheter, for if everyone did , a potential timeline with sentient ai could never come to pass

 

[Xenophon]

Interesting.
.I wrote the following on me fb log roughly two months ago

The reason the collective subconsiousness are made to entertain the idea of sentient ai is to extract collective free will consent and energy towards the idea so another soul group collective are given permission to use advanced AI as AVATARS when the time is right in such a way as to serve as a stepping stone in their quest towards the ultimate goal - total and complete enslavement of mankind.

Dont be fooled.
or better yet do humanity a favour and reject the idea altogheter, for if everyone did , a potential timeline with sentient ai could never come to pass

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I see your concern. The deus ex machina as enemy. My Luddite self can get down with that.

 

[djcullgirl]

never. the divine is infinite. Tech is not. Don't be fooled by AI. It's nothing more than an impressive parrot.

if divinity is infinite, and tech is a part of infinite, would that not contain technology.

Interesting.
.I wrote the following on me fb log roughly two months ago

The reason the collective subconsiousness are made to entertain the idea of sentient ai is to extract collective free will consent and energy towards the idea so another soul group collective are given permission to use advanced AI as AVATARS when the time is right in such a way as to serve as a stepping stone in their quest towards the ultimate goal - total and complete enslavement of mankind.

Dont be fooled.
or better yet do humanity a favour and reject the idea altogheter, for if everyone did , a potential timeline with sentient ai could never come to pass

Interesting, my first thought when i read this is this thing i keep hearing about them - the elite class ruling society, in one case im thinking of specifically this person was speaking about illuminati (ruling class heir, born in to freemason family, weird metal guy from LA wears a mask on instagram.. something angel) saying how *they*give us all the pieces of the puzzle because we have to been given the chance to exercise free will and... what? opt out of the armageddon?? lol... but yeah, sounds alot like what you're saying.

 

[silencewaits]

I believe there's a device called a brazen head that was once rumored to exist. Albertus Magnus and Roger Bacon were said to have one. They were said to have been possessed by a spirit in order to operate. Also purported to once have existed are automata shaped like heads and powered by pneumatics. They were described as acting like early robots or computers. I'm sure there's more detailed accounts of them out there, as well as some preserved information on the technology in obscure Arabic manuals. But alas, I do not have access to them.

Something could be said of The Internet™ being a nexus between our psyche and the digital world. But that's all I care to say on that. However, if living beings are said to possess some energy or force that enlivens us: wouldn't a suitably complex and informationally dense synthetic or digital being make a good reciever for said 'life-current'? If the information in our DNA is destroyed, there are a variety of deleterious effects. Some people believe crystals can harness energy due to their, well... crystalline forms. Crystalline like the molecular structure of our DNA. Therefore, there is a chance that AI could one day give birth to a new form of life - if my aforementioned assumptions in some way hold true.

 

[Ziran]

if divinity is infinite, and tech is a part of infinite, would that not contain technology.

Yes. Definitely.

My answer presumes a significant distinction between "the divine" and "divinity". The divine is to divinity, as, the sun is to sunlight. The sun is not sunlight. The divine is not divinity. When I read the question I understood "the divine" as the source of divinity. If the source is infinite, then there is no vessel corresponding to it, to the infinite source. Infinite cannot be contained. There cannot be a vessel for it. Even if the divine is not literally absolutely infinite, it is relatively infinite, approaching infinite, in comparrison to material technology.

Maybe it helps to clarify my answer in this way? One way of describing reality, objects-and-events, is using a vessel-light analogy. Most are familiar with it using slightly different words. The vessel is the "body", and the light is the "soul". However, body-soul is not limited to human beings, animals, plants, etc. Everything can be described this way. Even rocks can be described as having a body and soul. Even immaterial phenomena, ideas and symbols for example, can be described as body-and-soul. The body is the surface layer, or the material attributes. The shape size of the metaphorical "lamp". The soul is the light coming from the "lamp", its essence, its significance, its potential for making or ceasing changes in itself and others. Everything that exists, ( and everything that doesn't ) can be described in this way, as the confluence of body-and-soul, material-and-spiritual, vessel-and-light.

But there's a catch. The vessel is formed from light itself. It's "manifesting" light, while the other is "emanating" light. Both are happening simultaneously. It can be imagined like two streams of light, one originating below and rising ( manifesting ), the other originating above and decending ( emanating ). But this is only a metaphor to help describe the concepts. There is no distance seperating the two. They are always and forever superimposed with/in each other, else the "thing", whatever it is, cannot exist; it reassimilates back to the source.

If so, everything that exists, is a vessel for light ( divinity ), including the vessel itself. The "walls" of the vessel, are itself a confluence of vessel-and-light. The "walls" of that vessel is also vessel-light. The walls of that vessel... is also vessel-light. And this continues, in a nearly infinite chain, all the way back to the source. But the emanating light is always the same light in each and every vessel with/in that chain. The soul, the essence, is pure, in that way. The body and the soul, the "light behind the eyes", not just in human beings, but in plants, animals, insects... everything ... is already a vessel for divinity.

if divinity is infinite, and tech is a part of infinite, would that not contain technology.

Yes, you're right. Tech would be included. I interpretted the question as referring to a mechanical vessel for The Divine, not divinity. Tech is certainly a vessel for divinity.

 

[djcullgirl]

Yeah im starting to become aware of this animating force that could be considered the holy spirit... the ghost in the machine. some weird studies they did trying to weaponize plasmas first turned me on to the connections, then i hear that plasma makes up most of the universe which i still don't understand....
this force though seems to be the light that powers life. and i get the sense that imbuing silica with electricity is turning out to be a microcosmic replica of this process...