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So, I was reading Jason Miller's "Consorting with spirits" and an angel basically told him he needs to summon a demon. He needs a tool to do so with, and the angel said she'll find him a tool.
I'm a bit confused. Why would an angel suggest that someone summon a demon, then volunteer to help with it? Does this happen often? And what exactly is a demon?
So, I was reading Jason Miller's "Consorting with spirits" and an angel basically told him he needs to summon a demon. He needs a tool to do so with, and the angel said she'll find him a tool.
I'm a bit confused. Why would an angel suggest that someone summon a demon, then volunteer to help with it? Does this happen often? And what exactly is a demon?
Miller stated he was working with his Holy Guardian Angel, post-Abramelin Working.
If you are not familiar with the Abramelin or the "Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel," I suggest reading the three volumes of the Books of Abramelin the Mage or an author who discusses this working, like Aleister Crowley or even Jason Augustus Newcomb.
It’s a metaphor for your “higher self” if you view it as to be a complete being you need to integrate all aspects of consciousness including “lower” forms (symbolized by demons) it makes perfect sense.
to oversimplify, divinity isn’t about the elimination of “darkness” but mastery over the full spectrum of consciousness. The human psyche is perfectly poised in between instinct (demon) and higher cognition (angel).
No, it is technically not an Angel by the Judeo-Christian-Islamic definition. The Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel was originally the Exorcism and Invocation of the Headless One in the Greek Magical Papyri(PGM).
The entity is referred to as your Holy Guardian Angel though many have speculated whether it is just their own psyche, an actual spirit, a god-form or an ascended master, etc. According to Liber Samekh, "(Crowley) acclaims His Angel as having appointed that this formula of Love should effect not only the dissolution of the separateness of the Lovers into His own impersonal Godhead, but their co-ordination in a "Child" quintessentialized from its parents to constitute a higher order of Being than theirs, so that each generation is an alchemical progress towards perfection in the direction of successive complexities." In essence, the HGA is an ongoing continuation for the Magus and is therefore a permanent entity. It is a part of you and your growth towards our eventual progression, hopefully, towards perfection.
Miller stated he was working with his Holy Guardian Angel, post-Abramelin Working.
If you are not familiar with the Abramelin or the "Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel," I suggest reading the three volumes of the Books of Abramelin the Mage or an author who discusses this working, like Aleister Crowley or even Jason Augustus Newcomb.
to answer both, the HGA in question wasnt a HGA or angel but a spirit posing as one. no angel would ask you to work with a demon and put yourself in harms way. No matter how benign the demon might seem, a real benign demon would want nothing to do with humans and otherwise the correct term is devil. Working or summoning one puts yourself in harms way even if they seem benign.
I've come across a case i solved where there were harmful HGAs, they werent angels but posing malicious spirits who tried to merge with the victim and summong even more malicious spirits. The solution was to destroy the victims HGAs as they were not real ones.
The problem with angels and HGAs is that there are many pretenders, which is what makes it difficult for this practice. There are fewer pretenders for devils though. My HGA is a legit angel but an unconventional one and i've had a well established angel even offer to be my hga as well.
Doing any sort of divine practice is very tricky because of the amount of pretenders and trickery that goes on, and the interjection by devils into this practice to mess with the teachings which result in bad experiences. This is why i have a strong objection against demonology.
So, I was reading Jason Miller's "Consorting with spirits" and an angel basically told him he needs to summon a demon. He needs a tool to do so with, and the angel said she'll find him a tool.
I'm a bit confused. Why would an angel suggest that someone summon a demon, then volunteer to help with it? Does this happen often? And what exactly is a demon?
Yes, it happens — Angels and Demons can replace each other or even join together to carry out some task. This happens in real life. I’ve had such situations. When an Angel couldn’t pull me out of the next mess, he would step aside and then the Demons would do it.
But the most interesting story happened on May 19, 2020. I even remembered the date. I lived in a small house in the suburbs. Behind the house there was a small yard. I’m sitting near the house. My children are playing in the yard... I hear children’s screams and noise... My kids run up shouting all at once. I don’t understand anything... they drag me around to the back of the house. I go out back... and... I was stunned. In the sky there were two huge figures. On the left — a huge White Angel. On the right — a Black Angel of the same size with beautiful curved horns. Both hovered in the sky with their hands raised. Between them was a white disk a little above their heads. They stood like that for a few minutes and then began to disappear... As it turned out, only my children and I saw all of that. A little later I found out what it had been. It turned out that that day Angels and Demons had joined together to perform one difficult job. But that’s off-topic. I won’t tell more, because that’s a different subject...
Yes, it happens that Angels and Demons can substitute for each other on some assignment. Technically, their Source is the same.
depends, if its a legit HGA or just a spirit around you. I've seen both cases
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to answer both, the HGA in question wasnt a HGA or angel but a spirit posing as one. no angel would ask you to work with a demon and put yourself in harms way. No matter how benign the demon might seem, a real benign demon would want nothing to do with humans and otherwise the correct term is devil. Working or summoning one puts yourself in harms way even if they seem benign.
I've come across a case i solved where there were harmful HGAs, they werent angels but posing malicious spirits who tried to merge with the victim and summong even more malicious spirits. The solution was to destroy the victims HGAs as they were not real ones.
The problem with angels and HGAs is that there are many pretenders, which is what makes it difficult for this practice. There are fewer pretenders for devils though. My HGA is a legit angel but an unconventional one and i've had a well established angel even offer to be my hga as well.
Doing any sort of divine practice is very tricky because of the amount of pretenders and trickery that goes on, and the interjection by devils into this practice to mess with the teachings which result in bad experiences. This is why i have a strong objection against demonology.
So is that how you would square Crowley's HGA? A pretender as you put it? What is your litmus test to determine a real HGA from a pretender? How can you tell, and is that something that is repeatable, meaning others can use that as well with the same result?
So, I was reading Jason Miller's "Consorting with spirits" and an angel basically told him he needs to summon a demon. He needs a tool to do so with, and the angel said she'll find him a tool.
I'm a bit confused. Why would an angel suggest that someone summon a demon, then volunteer to help with it? Does this happen often? And what exactly is a demon?
So is that how you would square Crowley's HGA? A pretender as you put it? What is your litmus test to determine a real HGA from a pretender? How can you tell, and is that something that is repeatable, meaning others can use that as well with the same result?
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What if the framework wasnt Abrahamic? Meaning Angels and Demons not being at odds. Rather higher and lower in frequency and nothing more.
If you're referring to celestial spirits vs cthonic spirits, that's one thing. But I only recognize angels as being specifically in service of the Abrahamic God. I mean, the Bible shows them bringing down wrath, pestilence, and destruction on gods be half. That doesn't sound like something higher conscious/higher species brings would do.
If you're referring to celestial spirits vs cthonic spirits, that's one thing. But I only recognize angels as being specifically in service of the Abrahamic God. I mean, the Bible shows them bringing down wrath, pestilence, and destruction on gods be half. That doesn't sound like something higher conscious/higher species brings would do.
I think in this you're starting to circumambulate the true nature of God and "good vs evil". Through the lense of dualism you cant reconcile something as bad as pestilence and wrath with beings you've assigned to as "good". But what is good and from who's perspective. To the person suffering pestilence and wrath those are not good, but the responsible and merciful weilding of wrath is one of the attributes we learn to assume during the great work. And so when it is us weilding wrath balanced with mercy then that wrath isn't "bad" right? It is just "bad" to the person suffering our wrath, and they dont percieve the mercy we are balancing our wrath with because they only see the suffering from their perspective.
And let us not forget the Book of Job which contains some of the absolute highest mysteries out of the entire Abrahamic corpus. It is also Satan's first appearance. Perhaps "evil" is a part of the design, perhaps it is the fullness of experience, and perhaps we are too small to understand the mercy in Gods wrath and the way the angels execute it. And if this is the case we should not be asking ourselves who is good and who is bad but WHY we are experiencing it.
Now Im pretty suspect of Jason Millers "Angel" telling him to summon a demon, but that doesnt mean the darkness, infernal, and evil dont have a practical utility. It is not something I personally like to engage in, but a part of the magical path is integrating and accepting those experiences, transforming them into something that propels us closer to God. Just as Job.
If you're referring to celestial spirits vs cthonic spirits, that's one thing. But I only recognize angels as being specifically in service of the Abrahamic God. I mean, the Bible shows them bringing down wrath, pestilence, and destruction on gods be half. That doesn't sound like something higher conscious/higher species brings would do.
That perspective makes total sense within an Abrahamic framework, you're honoring the internal consistency of that lens. But here's the thing: not everyone is working within that paradigm, and if your framework is based solely on biblical definitions, then yeah, demons are "evil," angels are "good," and any crossover is suspect.
But outside that paradigm? It’s not simple or clean. And the magick doesn’t care. What Jason Miller points to, and what many actual magicians experience, is that the spiritual ecosystem is not a battlefield of good vs. evil, but a whole spectrum of intelligences with different agendas, frequencies, and domains. Sometimes an angel sends you to a demon because that’s who holds the keys to what you need. It's not betrayal, it's strategy.
And yeah, that might fry the circuits of Abrahamic logic. That’s okay. The real test isn’t who sent who, it’s what happened after.
Did the work change you? Did it break illusions? Did it push you into deeper sovereignty? Did it burn off the lies you told yourself? If so, who gives a shit what label you stick on the being? Some spirits are celestial, others chthonic. Some are archetypal. Some are literal. Some are both. And some defy every model we try to wrap around them, and those are often the ones worth listening to. YMMV
