Demons

[Fr. Maximagus]

I hope this is useful to you in your own practices.

20th century magic is not traditional magic. People took Crowley heroin-fueled twaddle " the spirits are parts of fthe human brain" and turned it into the "Initiated View " which kept English-speaking magic hostage for almost a century.

What I mean by "externalized practice into consensus reality" -ok.

Traditional magic is "in the world" vs. modern magic which is "in your head"
In my more Vajrayana Buddhist view, this is a false dichotomy. The spirits are just as real as you. From the 10,000 Sephira view, meaning not at all, them or you.

Well the Vodou saying is just part of New World sorcery. My hougan taught me. It's is actually just very practical operating procedure from living magical traditions, like those I am part of.

When you have active spirit allies this is your lived experience. Yeah, sorcery. The allure! heh.

Don't assume they can read your mind, divine your intent, or hear what you say say you clearly. Many of these spirits were never human and their hearing is not so good. Misunderstanding do happen.

I know neo-Wiccans want to glue feathers to their arms and prance around as "The Morrigan" or "Odin"or whatever mythological figure they worship recently, but for sorcery, it's a bad idea to mix too much of your personality and fantasies with "magic". Live a normal life. All of this has to be integrated.

If they somehow manage to get powerful allies - it they make it that far - from a trad sorcery perepctive, it has too much blending with their egos, and whatever comes knocking. If they get to that point. Best to minimize that by keeping these seperate from your head and a keep normal very mundane personality to drive around in externlaized consensus reality "out there".

I hope that helps.

Man your posts feel extremely "airy"...like highly intellectual but extremely hard to grasp...for me at least

I'm neurodivergent so that might play a role or my brain might just be not operating at peak performance lol 10 concussions/TBIs will do that to ya on occasion

 

[MorganBlack]

What did you expect, dude?

This forum is about 99% theoretical, as it has to be.

The real stuff, the actual praxis, is best communicated in person.

I'm just here to encourage people to pick up the grims, stop listening to LARPers herding simps to monetize in their stupid cults, pick up a wand occasionally, and evoke some daimons. That's about it.

 

[FireBorn]

To me they are divine intelligences. Not evil, just amoral.

Of all the great points, thoughts, theories offered here, one thing stands true for me, when in the presence of a spirit like that, all the philosophy and historical stuff melts. Just me and a presence so old, so powerful, my body feels the presence somatically. Doesn't give a crap about candles, Latin, process, or my feelings. All that remains is the true me, not ego, not knowledge. Just the real shit. Do I stand, or do I fold? Do I fight my nervous system that is screaming run away? Do I stay sovereign, or do I worship, or banish?

Those choices matter a million times more than historicity or philosophy, or what a grimoire says.

What are they exactly? If you had THE answer, would it change you? Would it change your practice? Would it change you?

What do you need them to be? They will meet you there. In my opinion, the rest doesnt matter.

Just my take. I'm totally fine with it being wrong, or just not popular.

 

[MorganBlack]

Good to see you here, FireBorn.

And agreed there! That is a huge topic, ya'll and the crux of much of this stuff.

Fr. Maximagus. Oh, If you need something more practical as entry point , a while back I posted this approach to the daimons of the Grimorium Verum using more simple Conjure style "spells" . It is not the only entry point into the GV, there are number of them, but once you read, then apply, and experiment.

From a quick search just now I see some people are doing what I hoped, and are running with it. Mission accomplished. The demons are satisfied... for now (kidding, kidding)

JSK Verum: Conjureman Ali - 'Verum Hoodoo Results' (2011)

I'm glad people are interested in the Grimorium Verum again. I was not aware it was on anyone's radar much. I hope this unedited Yahoo Groups post from Conjureman Ali (albertgreat27 ) from 2011 will be useful to those starting to explore the Verum “system” as JSK would sometimes phrase it...

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