Ego delusions and dealing with them.

[Wildchildx11]

One thing I see frequently along the path is ego delusions and people getting stuck in them, nobody is perfect but the alchemical process involves ego building up, ego being torn down, ego being built up, ego being broken down.

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions, and let's be honest, we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path, what are some things you have done to tear them down?

I know LHP involves building up the self, but I've met like 10-20 people who have claimed to be the incarnation of Lucifer. When I start getting ego delusions, I try to recognize them and try to utilize more grounding, or work more with Earth entities.

When I had my ego delusions, I thought I was the incarnation of King Paimon, Lord Shiva, Leviathan, Astarte, all in a week period.

@Shaman Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're starting to have a lot of what I call ego illusions, which are false illusions built up by the ego.

 

[Vandheer]

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions, and let's be honest, we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path, what are some things you have done to tear them down?

Well, I think an incarnated god should be able to pull of one miraculous feat after another. Jesus does those in his myth.

Perhaps I am approaching this situation way too human, who knows. But say, why are these incarnated gods work 12 hour shifts? Why are they in forums and not out there gathering followers to whatever lofty goal they picked that made them incarnate here?

@Shaman Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're starting to have a lot of what I call ego illusions, which are false illusions built up by the ego.

I have strong opinions about that guy but not sure how I feel about singling him out in a new thread like this, likely a breach of rule.

 

[Amur]

@Shaman Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're starting to have a lot of what I call ego illusions, which are false illusions built up by the ego.

It goes with the path of insanity and pre-awakened kundalini to have ego illusion perception which will go into Nothingness later on. It's just the Kundalini path and it does break these ego boundaries down which is a downright awful process of the Self. As I said in another thread Kundalini awakening and path is only about surrendering to your own feeble self, how meek it might be.

 

[Wildchildx11]

Well, I think an incarnated god should be able to pull of one miraculous feat after another. Jesus does those in his myth.

Perhaps I am approaching this situation way too human, who knows. But say, why are these incarnated gods work 12 hour shifts? Why are they in forums and not out there gathering followers to whatever lofty goal they picked that made them incarnate here?



I have strong opinions about that guy but not sure how I feel about singling him out in a new thread like this, likely a breach of rule.

Didn't mean to shit-sling and I didn't mean it that way. I'm just really autistic and thought that If I started having ego building up that I had to break down, I would have preferred someone to let me know.

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It goes with the path of insanity and pre-awakened kundalini to have ego illusion perception which will go into Nothingness later on. It's just the Kundalini path and it does break these ego boundaries down which is a downright awful process of the Self. As I said in another thread Kundalini awakening and path is only about surrendering to your own feeble self, how meek it might be.

I'm not at all saying that it is at all unusual, we've all had ego build up, and have what I attribute to the antichrist in the book of Revelations.

The goal of Magick for very few people is finding out the truth, I've seen a lot of people get stuck in lofty illusions and insights and just get stuck there. They have to be broken down and you need to be willing to pursue truth.

I'm not all saying it's a bad thing, we have all had them. We've all had to break them down. A lot of us, me included will still occasionally get them. You just have to be able to recognize them, and realize that lofty illusions aren't the end-goal of Magick.

 

[Yazata]

I still believe I am (part of) an Angel or that (part of) that Angel is me. But that doesn't change that I am also a man. There's a time for these thoughts / beliefs where they help in ritual, but there's also a lot of other times where it only can lead to frustration.

Several people that I have met have this belief. Funniest thing was a lady that I was close with who thinks she is an incarnated Angel. But I often had to evoke that Angel to ask what I could tell this lady what the Angel wanted her to do. Unless it was a thing that required any effort on her part. "No, that doesn't sound like XXX"

 

[Taudefindi]

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My bad, gave a like because the music is amazing but I thought this was one of the "non-occult" posts.
Had to read again in what cathegory it was posted.
A bit off topic but I understood you were trying to make a joke based on the "break/burn down" of the ego part.
Unless it was about something else(like the "burn of the user called out") then it was inappropriate to post it.

the alchemical process involves ego building up, ego being torn down, ego being built up, ego being broken down

Purefying until it's.

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions

I'm gonna take a guess that this is when people think of themselves as gods, is that it?

Honestly I never understood how come someone would ever be able to even think of themselves gods when they're still very much mortals.If you live, breathe and die like a mortal then you're no god.If you can't snap your fingers and solve your problems you're not god(and you probably still wouldn't be a god even if you could snap your problems away).

we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path

Not when you have low self-esteem.Unless you consider an ego issue not wanting to bow down to others.

I've met like 10-20 people who have claimed to be the incarnation of Lucifer

Imagine if the ones claiming to be Lucifer met the ones claiming to be Jesus...certainly it would be something fun to watch.Fun, or awkward.
Never understood why people like to claim to be something other than themselves, that to me seems like a huge disrespect to who they are.And they always make claims from the most famous figures, never something smaller or less known.

I thought I was the incarnation of King Paimon, Lord Shiva, Leviathan, Astarte, all in a week period.

Busy week, huh?

I think an incarnated god should be able to pull of one miraculous feat after another.

I think the same.I've seen so many people claiming to be "gods in human form" in past occult forums, and never took them seriously because as always when it came to giving any proof whatsoever of their divinity they would come with hundreds excuses as to why they couldn't do it.

In my view, if all you can do is the same as another human can(even if it is a highly trained human in certain cases) but not beyond that, then what makes you different from every other human in the world?Can you fly?Shoot a fireball?Walk on water?Go through rock?
If the answers are "no" then it doesn't matter what the person thinks, for all intents and purposes they're still human.

The day someone comes along and actually shows a bona fide miracle...then I will think they might be speaking the truth.

I am approaching this situation way too human

Well, it's the only way we all know.We may get insight from experiences that enhance our understanding over reality and ourselves, but it doesn't mean that we stop being human and lose all human perspective.It's the only one we know.

I have strong opinions about that guy but not sure how I feel about singling him out in a new thread like this, likely a breach of rule.

Better to focus on the topic in question.

The goal of Magick for very few people is finding out the truth, I've seen a lot of people get stuck in lofty illusions and insights and just get stuck there.

Critical thinking is a hell of a helper for that.

I am (part of) an Angel or that (part of) that Angel is me. But that doesn't change that I am also a man.

And here is the difference between someone like you and someone that claims to be something else other than human.
You don't claim to be an angel(but a part of one, although I don't know how that would work) and you're not even claiming to be one of the higher most know ones(which is something that you see a lot out there, people always claiming to have been "someone great" rather than "just someone else").

And best of all, you admit that that doesn't change your current human condition.
Can you summon wings to fly?Can you use holy power?Can you smite evil?

If all you can do is still within the realm of "human" than you're a human like everybody else.

a lady that I was close with who thinks she is an incarnated Angel

I met some people that claimed to be "the big bad Goetia demons".
It sounded cringy back then just as it sounds today, specially because they always came up with excuses as to why they couldn't do a lot of things they claimed they could do "as demons".

 

[Wildchildx11]

I still believe I am (part of) an Angel or that (part of) that Angel is me. But that doesn't change that I am also a man. There's a time for these thoughts / beliefs where they help in ritual, but there's also a lot of other times where it only can lead to frustration.

Several people that I have met have this belief. Funniest thing was a lady that I was close with who thinks she is an incarnated Angel. But I often had to evoke that Angel to ask what I could tell this lady what the Angel wanted her to do. Unless it was a thing that required any effort on her part. "No, that doesn't sound like XXX"

I mean , I definately like how you added "part of", because it does match with intuitions and insights I have had.

 

[Amur]

My bad, gave a like because the music is amazing but I thought this was one of the "non-occult" posts.
Had to read again in what cathegory it was posted.
A bit off topic but I understood you were trying to make a joke based on the "break/burn down" of the ego part.
Unless it was about something else(like the "burn of the user called out") then it was inappropriate to post it.

Yeah better to have it moved like you did. Thought I had a good concept of building things up and breaking it down which is what the song is about, my bad didn't think far enough Thanks!

 

[IllusiveOwl]

One thing I see frequently along the path is ego delusions and people getting stuck in them, nobody is perfect but the alchemical process involves ego building up, ego being torn down, ego being built up, ego being broken down.

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions, and let's be honest, we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path, what are some things you have done to tear them down?

I know LHP involves building up the self, but I've met like 10-20 people who have claimed to be the incarnation of Lucifer. When I start getting ego delusions, I try to recognize them and try to utilize more grounding, or work more with Earth entities.

When I had my ego delusions, I thought I was the incarnation of King Paimon, Lord Shiva, Leviathan, Astarte, all in a week period.

@Shaman Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're starting to have a lot of what I call ego illusions, which are false illusions built up by the ego.

I have a few cents I'd like to toss into the ring if you don't mind OP

I have faced delusions of grandeur and god delusions before, but they have never ensnared me for more than a brief hour or so. I believe my journey with the heavy ego-effacing tradition of Buddhism have kept me grounded, like tent-spikes, and I'd like to share a few so that they may help you:

It is impossible to be delusional if you do not hold any views in the first place (releasing opinions in meditation is a fantastic grounding technique)

The ego is a mask, identity is imaginary, it changes so frequently because it is made of only habitual thoughts, which fall away and are replaced effortlessly. The God delusion should support this, all that I see happening is the Willworker's mask being replaced with one of God, which is just as convincing as the original birth-ego mask.

There is one unified existence with no boundary or separation, all of us are clumps of this one unified thing wearing masks and acting according to the masks. (In non-duality none of us have ego, only the illudion of it, not even God has ab ego because it is all the same.)

All things are disturbances of one ever-present background silence, therefore the only place truth may be found is in silence.

We all share the same consciousness, only our masks and the brain's cognitive ability create differences between us, but inherently everyone is Buddha, wrapped in defilement.

Meditating on these teachings helps me remove my own mask and exist peacefully without ego for brief periods of time. During this time, it is also possible to tweak or change masks as well, this is a part of my personal magic practice.

Having a liquid, free, unmoored sense of being free of ego has been critical to me when it comes to magical practice and work in the real world.

I am also not saying these teachings are correct or incorrect, only that they have helped me and originated from sutras, I don't wish to appear as a preacher.

 

[Taudefindi]

I have faced delusions of grandeur and god delusions before, but they have never ensnared me for more than a brief hour or so.

The only delusions of grandeur I get is when I daydream, and those tend to be minutes long.At most 30 minutes or so.But then I am actively putting myself into those situations to "extract grandeur" from them.I do so to enhance my sense of self and inflame me to heights of exaltation.

Basically a natural "mood booster" that can be used anywhere anytime.
You would be surprised by how much one can do when they feel like they're capable of (almost)anything.

identity is imaginary, it changes so frequently because it is made of only habitual thoughts, which fall away and are replaced effortlessly.

To this day, despite having my labels, likes and dislikes, I still don't know who I am as a person.I'm still trying to figure out who am I.

Yeah better to have it moved like you did. Thought I had a good concept of building things up and breaking it down which is what the song is about, my bad didn't think far enough Thanks!

I wasn't the one that removed it, but good to know that the reason for the video was because of reason 1(build up and burn/break down ego), not reason 2.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

o this day, despite having my labels, likes and dislikes, I still don't know who I am as a person.I'm still trying to figure out who am I.

In a sense, with everything being one in the perspective of nonduality, all you have to do to find out who you are is look around you, but there is so much that people call it "ineffable". From my understanding, you still struggle to find out who you are because there is no one to find.

With magic, I find it easier to accept my awareness to have as much identity as a flame does on a match, then create or wear the identity that will yield the greatest possible results, typically identities that are charismatic, with leadership like qualities, wisdom, compassion, etc. Ego's are necessary to interface with the world but are best tossed aside when they don't serve our purposes any longer.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

One thing I see frequently along the path is ego delusions and people getting stuck in them, nobody is perfect but the alchemical process involves ego building up, ego being torn down, ego being built up, ego being broken down.

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions, and let's be honest, we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path, what are some things you have done to tear them down?

I know LHP involves building up the self, but I've met like 10-20 people who have claimed to be the incarnation of Lucifer. When I start getting ego delusions, I try to recognize them and try to utilize more grounding, or work more with Earth entities.

When I had my ego delusions, I thought I was the incarnation of King Paimon, Lord Shiva, Leviathan, Astarte, all in a week period.

I can't really say it any better than Grant Morrison:

"Your foundations will be tested. There is always the danger of obsession and madness. As magical work progresses, you will be forced into confrontation with your deepest darkest fears and desires. It's easy to become scared, paranoid, and stupid. Stay fluid, cling to no one self-image and maintain your sense of humour at all times. Genuine laughter is the most effective banishing ritual available.

Banishing reminds you that no matter how many gods you talk to, no matter how many fluorescent realms you visit, you still have to come home, take a shit, be able to cook dinner, water the plants and, most importantly, talk to people without scaring them.

When you complete any magical work, ground yourself with a good laugh, a good meal, good shag, a run or anything else that connects you with the mundane world. Banishing after your ritual is over works as a decompression back into the normal world of bills and bus stops and job satisfaction. The magician's job is not to get lost in the Otherworld but to bring back its treasures for everyone to play with."

 

[pixel_fortune]

My problem is the other way around - I find it hard to experience mysticism and magic because it seems like hubris to think I've actually (to use a recent example) had a vision of my HGA.

This might be cultural - in Australia we have a thing called "tall poppy syndrome" where it's considered bad form to talk yourself up (tall poppies get cut down). If someone asked me, say, "are you a good writer?" and I said anything more than "not bad" or "oh yeah, alright" - maybe, at a stretch, "pretty good I guess" - I would look like a braggart. (It's a problem when Australians apply for work at US companies because the Americans just take us at our word, "oh sorry, we were looking for someone excellent, we can't hire an okay writer")

But it's also probably just fear of being cringe. I see those people on forums and I don't want to be like them so I lean too hard in the opposite direction. This is not a helpful approach to magic - I think you need to embrace being very slightly delusional. Otherwise you explain away every sync and successful spell.

Not when you have low self-esteem.

My experience is that the delusions of being a god etc come mostly from people with low self-esteem. They do not feel like they are enough just as who they are, they can't bear who they are, so their psyche reaches out for something bigger. Someone who accepts themself and is comfortable in their achievements doesn't need to be the reincarnation of Crowley.

To this day, despite having my labels, likes and dislikes, I still don't know who I am as a person.I'm still trying to figure out who am I.

Not sure if it helps much but this is a classic ADHD thing, unstable sense of self. For me, I've accepted mutability as my identity, as the thing that underlies the changes.

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To actually answer your question:

I think the most important thing is having people in your life who you truly trust not to gaslight, who will be honest with you, who serve as a reality check. Or maybe "reality" is the wrong word. They don't have to be a magician, just open-minded and wanting the best for you. It's not whether you believe supposedly crazy things or not, it's whether those beliefs are making you functional/dysfunctional, pleasant/intolerable to be around. I trust my husband to say "hey you are alienating your friends with the way you are talking right now", or "I am worried about the fact that your basic adulting skills seem to be deteriorating, when was the last time you showered" or other signs of unhealthy functioning. Eg we have a policy of always telling each other when we take drugs, so we have an external source who can say "that's getting pretty often!" when we can't see it ourselves (not that that is really a risk these days but you get the gist).

Of course no one believes strangers of a forum - I wouldn't trust you lot with making judgements on my life or sanity! You need someone you trust, and who you speak to honestly and fully.

 

[stratamaster78]

One thing I see frequently along the path is ego delusions and people getting stuck in them, nobody is perfect but the alchemical process involves ego building up, ego being torn down, ego being built up, ego being broken down.

When you get the "Incarnated God" delusions, and let's be honest, we all have had an issue with ego at one point or another on this path, what are some things you have done to tear them down?

I know LHP involves building up the self, but I've met like 10-20 people who have claimed to be the incarnation of Lucifer. When I start getting ego delusions, I try to recognize them and try to utilize more grounding, or work more with Earth entities.

When I had my ego delusions, I thought I was the incarnation of King Paimon, Lord Shiva, Leviathan, Astarte, all in a week period.

@Shaman Don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're starting to have a lot of what I call ego illusions, which are false illusions built up by the ego.

It’s easy for me to not get deluded.

My view is that every one of us is the singular Source Consciousness that people refer to as ‘God’.

That Source is living out every single possible experience through the eyes of every living thing past present and future.

So by ever thinking of myself or this singular Ego as God incarnated is not even special or particularly powerful.

I’m just one lense that he/she/it is viewing through and when I die and reincarnate that lens will change.

So yeah I’m ‘God’…. but so are you.. and you…and you… and whoever else reads this.

We are all the same… we are all ‘God’

Meh…big whoop.. I’m over it.

 

[Wildchildx11]

It’s easy for me to not get deluded.

My view is that every one of us is the singular Source Consciousness that people refer to as ‘God’.

That Source is living out every single possible experience through the eyes of every living thing past present and future.

So by ever thinking of myself or this singular Ego as God incarnated is not even special or particularly powerful.

I’m just one lense that he/she/it is viewing through and when I die and reincarnate that lens will change.

So yeah I’m ‘God’…. but so are you.. and you…and you… and whoever else reads this.

We are all the same… we are all ‘God’

Meh…big whoop.. I’m over it.

I do have a pretty major issue with ego delusions. I just had an ego delusion where I believed that I was a nazi in a past life, because I was acting from the impression that I must have done something horrible which was a cognitive error.

My therapist actually said I don't have an unstable sense of self, because my mood seems to be consistently low, instead of what would be prevalent in BPD where they are happy one day and the next day they are essentially an emotional Rollercoaster, and she said it's how she distinguishes between complex trauma and BPD, but I do actually have an unstable sense of self, I'm just able to keep it under wraps IRL to avoid a BPD diagnosis, I do have complex PTSD diagnosis (PTSD w/Psychotic features) and my mother was Borderline with Histrionic features so I developed some traits.

What are some things I can do to work on being more secure in myself? DBT doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of things and I'm familiar with it.

 

[Xenophon]

I do have a pretty major issue with ego delusions. I just had an ego delusion where I believed that I was a nazi in a past life, because I was acting from the impression that I must have done something horrible which was a cognitive error.

My therapist actually said I don't have an unstable sense of self, because my mood seems to be consistently low, instead of what would be prevalent in BPD where they are happy one day and the next day they are essentially an emotional Rollercoaster, and she said it's how she distinguishes between complex trauma and BPD, but I do actually have an unstable sense of self, I'm just able to keep it under wraps IRL to avoid a BPD diagnosis, I do have complex PTSD diagnosis (PTSD w/Psychotic features) and my mother was Borderline with Histrionic features so I developed some traits.

What are some things I can do to work on being more secure in myself? DBT doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of things and I'm familiar with it.

You say Nazi like it's a bad thing.

 

[Wildchildx11]

You say Nazi like it's a bad thing.

Well, now days, I have a theory that anyone who identifies as a Nazi is actually a furry and there is a correlation with being a Nazi and owning a fursuit.

Are you admitting to owning a fursuit?

 

[Xenophon]

Well, now days, I have a theory that anyone who identifies as a Nazi is actually a furry and there is a correlation with being a Nazi and owning a fursuit.

Are you admitting to owning a fursuit?

I don't even know what a fursuit is. Are right-wing extremists required to own one?

 

[stratamaster78]

I do have a pretty major issue with ego delusions. I just had an ego delusion where I believed that I was a nazi in a past life, because I was acting from the impression that I must have done something horrible which was a cognitive error.

My therapist actually said I don't have an unstable sense of self, because my mood seems to be consistently low, instead of what would be prevalent in BPD where they are happy one day and the next day they are essentially an emotional Rollercoaster, and she said it's how she distinguishes between complex trauma and BPD, but I do actually have an unstable sense of self, I'm just able to keep it under wraps IRL to avoid a BPD diagnosis, I do have complex PTSD diagnosis (PTSD w/Psychotic features) and my mother was Borderline with Histrionic features so I developed some traits.

What are some things I can do to work on being more secure in myself? DBT doesn't get down to the nitty gritty of things and I'm familiar with it.

The main 'Occult' or Magickal things that can help are what people refer to as Grounding.

Doing 'Earth' grade exercises where you work on integrating Earth, Air, Water, and Fire energies into your Sphere of Sensation in a way that is balanced.

You can also practice meditating in the present moment and spending some time in nature doing things like walking on grass barefoot and just making present mental notice of things like birds chirping etc.

There are lots of ways of doing Grounding exercises but one I remember is that you can meditate on your Aura and Energy system and chakras or Tree of Life spheres and picture any unbalanced or negative energies as a type of Black smoke or Black sludge and you use your visualizations to move that Smoke or Sludge downwards into the Physical Earth literally Grounding out that Negative or Unbalanced energy.

Another Method is to move all negative or unbalanced energy into a Malkuth Sphere at your feet. You then rotate the Bad Energy up your right side into a white sphere/Kether sphere at the top of you head. When it gets there you send White LIght into it and then move the energy ball down your left side back to your feet. You are 'washing' or cleaning the Bad energy every pass and it becomes a lighter color each pass. Then at the end you could send what's left into the Earth.

I'm sure there are lots of other methods but I would suggest looking up a lot of Grounding exercises and trying them until you find one that works the best for you personally.

 

[Vandheer]

I don't even know what a fursuit is. Are right-wing extremists required to own one?

You don't want to know.