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Freemasonry. Does it actually have anything to do with the occult or is that just a conspiracy?

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I have heard a lot of things about freemasonry from occultists and non-occultists alike. Non-occultists tend to tell me it is a secret political satanist group seeking to control the world. (I dont believe that in the slightest) and Occultists tend to tell me it's simply a community of high respect individuals working together with occultism to make the world better? I'm not exactly sure whats what though
 

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Fun fact: the masons proper only go up to the 3rd degree. If you want to ascend to the 33rd degree, you need to join a "side order", which have their own order names. If you though masons proper were spooky, have a look at those.

I inquired into my local lodge and found the men there were... painfully average. It looked more like lonely guys eating, drinking, and hanging out together.
 

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My overall impression from reading and talking to Masons is that the esoteric current is present for those who are interested, and there are side organizations where they meet, discuss, publish, etc., but your typical experience at the local Blue Lodge will be... kind of what IllusiveOwl said above. As far as Satanism, you're not going to find that anywhere. You will more likely encounter something along the lines of Rosicrucianism, Christian theosophy, alchemy, etc.

In terms of controlling the world, if that was ever the goal, it obviously isn't working. The one place where masonic lodges have real power is probably Italy, and it is very much a local thing, where a given lodge might have sway over a particular town.
 

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scandal was probably the only instance where a Masonic conspiracy was actually proven (no Reptilians though).
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Only yesterday I came across an actual conspiracy claiming that a 5,000 year old Phoenician clan was behind every major world event (there was a lot about 'bloodlines' and 'agendas', of course). I wonder what's next? The Visigoths? The Chukchi?
 
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Italy's "Years of Lead" (which I think run roughly from the 60's to the 80's) were a crazy time, where there were lots of wild conspiracy theories and half of them turned out to be true, with agents of the KGB, CIA, mafia, Vatican, and masons infiltrating all kinds of organizations, sometimes the same organizations infiltrated by 3 or 4 factions.
 

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I have heard a lot of things about freemasonry from occultists and non-occultists alike. Non-occultists tend to tell me it is a secret political satanist group seeking to control the world. (I dont believe that in the slightest) and Occultists tend to tell me it's simply a community of high respect individuals working together with occultism to make the world better? I'm not exactly sure whats what though
I'm a freemason, Each person comes to Freemasonry for a different reason. Some to improve themselves, some for contacts, others for the false idea of power over the world, etc.

I assure you that the last one is the most false of all, during the part-sessions, we talk about history or concepts such as freedom, knowledge or the like. In practice, a "brother" carves a table (in an evening only one table can be brought in agreement with the venerable master of the lodge), after which each "brother" in the lodge asks to speak, stands up and gives a comment on today's topic.

Sometimes I admit that I have heard comments that border on the ridiculous from people who are on the same level as their comment, other times instead a discussion arises that enriches you, makes you understand a different point of view than the one you had considered until now.

It is however forbidden (possible expulsion), to talk about politics and religion

The "advantage" is certainly the contacts you can have around the world. Being a brotherhood, for example, an American who goes to Europe can get in touch with lodges belonging to a specific nation that his lodge recognizes, and participate in ritual rounds with local people. I personally went to France a short time ago and I got to know all the members of a lodge within the city I visited. In reality there can be several lodges in a single city, it all depends on the size of the city itself and the Masonic history of the territory.

If you have specific questions I am happy to answer them 😊
 

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I recently started practicing High Magick with an Ogdoadic approach and the Grand Master of Aurum Solis is a Freemason so I think there are important people in the occult that actually join the Freemasons, besides he is AS Grand Master he is also part of the Kabbalistic Order of the Rose-Cross in France. Also I bough a Freemasonry book from a spaniard writter wich I liked a lot, it clears a lot of doubts about Masons being satanic or evil, I noticed they are very good people, since I am from Mexico I think I should say there are a lot of conspiranutz in Latin America that are Catholics and they indoctrinate people into the idea that being part of Masonry will send you to HELL!!!
 

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At the high levels, where people involved in the global power structure are members, I would be surprised if they didn't use what they know and the contacts they made to leverage themselves. The only difference between private ambition and public conspiracy is collaboration. So it is neither disproven nor is it proven to most people's satisfaction, which means nothing. If I were a high-end member with knowledge and connections, I wouldn't want people to be suspicious of me, either.
 

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In the "lower" degrees, the first three ancient degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, & Master Mason), Freemasonry is more philosophical and has roots in the European Age of Enlightenment and the Naturalist Deism of that period. In that sense, Freemasonry proper is not occult. Most Freemasons of the first three degrees wouldn't even consider Freemasonry to be esoteric.

But when you get into the "higher" degrees, of Scottish Rite Freemasonry (the famous or notorious 32nd degree and 33 degrees), then you will find the occult, depending on how you define the word "occult." For example, the Scottish Rite degrees openly and explicitly states that the Kabbalah was used to create Freemasonry. Hence you will find the Three Pillars of the Tree of Life in the lower degrees, called therein the pillars of Strength, Wisdom, and Beauty. You will also see that the peculiar manner in which each of the 3 degrees of Freemasonry proper wears their apron corresponds to portions of the Tree of Life. RE: the Apprentice wears his apron with the triangular flap pointing upwards corresponds with the top portion of the Tree of Life, the Fellow Craft wears his apron with the triangular flap resting in a downwards position corresponds with the middle part of the Tree of Life, and the Master Mason wears his apron like a Fellow Craft but with a corner of the bottom folded up making a triangle corresponds to the bottom of the Tree of Life, where the bottom point of the said formed triangle of the apron is Malkuth.

The direction of travel indicated by the aprons flows from the top of the Tree of Life down to Malkuth which is the Kingdom. Meaning that, as with Kabbalistic philosophy, the supernal Light of Ain Sof descends and materializes as Malkuth. This direction from top to bottom, from heaven to earth is confluent with the symbol of Freemasonry itself. In ancient times, when a Freemason dies, they would etch an upside-down Square & Compass. The Square is the working tool of a Mason. The two points of the compass points to heaven, which means that the dead Freemason has finished his work on earth and has returned home to heaven. Therefore, the Masonic Square & Compass in its normal position that we are all familiar with, has the opposite meaning confluent with the descent of Light manifested as the World, where the two points of the Compass point down to the earth, meaning the Freemason descends from heaven on earth to work (symbolized by the Square).

The letter G itself, also has an occult meaning in the higher degrees. G stands both for God & Geometry. This itself is Hermetic in Nature. Geometry meaning the shapes and forms of the world or universe. The G standing for both God and Geometry at the same time expresses the Hermetic doctrine that the physical world is the emanation and manifestation of God: the Light of Ain Sof materialized as Malkuth, Shakti (energy) condensed as Loka (the world).

The 14th degree goes on to teach the definition of God. It teaches that the highest conception of God which your mind can conceive and receive is the closest to the Truth. This is also Hermetic philosophy, which teaches that reason and intelligence is not equally distributed among mankind. Some people are more rational than others and some people are more intelligent than others. This basically means that an ignorant person's mind may only be able to understand and receive the concept of a God as an anthropomorphic person, and a very intelligent person's mind may receive and understand a God that is formless, ineffable and beyond human comprehension, and both receptions of God - as approximations - are close to the Truth, but one is closer than the other.

God, in Freemasonry is called the "Great Architect of the Universe" or the "Supreme Architect." One of the most ancient Hindu deities is called "Vishvakarman" whose name means Supreme Architect. But this God is not a Creator God of Abrahamic religions. This is a Naturalistic Deist God of the Age of Enlightenment. An "architect" is not a builder per se. An architect is the person who designs a structure on a blueprint and establishes the rules for how the structure should be constructed. This concept of architect is expressed in Freemasonry in the person of the Master Architect Hiram Abiff who, in the third degree of Freemasonry, is said to the architect of King Solomon's Temple. It was his habit to draw designs of the said temple upon his "Trestle Board." A Trestle Board was what a "blueprint" was called in ancient times and was usually animal hide with drawings on it.

In the first degree ritual, it is taught: "[By] the Trestle Board we are reminded that, as the operative workman erect his temporal building agreeably to the rules and design laid down by the Master on his Trestle Board, so should we, both operative and speculative, endeavor to erect our spiritual temple agreeably to the rules and designs laid down by the Supreme Architect of the Universe in the Great Book of Nature and revelation..." The old Deists during the Age of Enlightenment believes that Nature was like a Book which can be read. They also believed that Nature is the material body or material manifestation of God, and therefore to study and understand the mysteries of Nature, you come to understand the mysteries and nature of God. The "rules and designs" of the Supreme Architect laid down on his "Trestle Board" are the Laws of Nature. Which is to say that the physical universe is a manifestation of processes that happen in context to and in accord with laws and principles of nature, such as gravity, the 4 forces, cause and effect. The rules or laws of nature themselves is what gradually creates the world, not God.

God is just the Divine Mind - like Plato and the early Stoics taught, the Logos - who held in his Mind ideas and thoughtforms. The third degree of Freemasonry says this about God the Great Architect: "It is [our spirit] the inspiration of that Divinity whom we adore, and bear the nearest resemblance or affinity to that Supreme Intelligence which pervades all nature, and which never, never, never dies." That quote talks about the immortal spirit we each have that animates our bodies. It says that our spirit is an inspiration, meaning In-Spire or to Breath In, meaning the Breath of God. And it says that this God is a "Supreme Intelligence" which "pervades" nature. The supreme intelligence is the Thinker of the Idea, and this Divine Intelligence is pantheistic where it is present everywhere in and of nature. This is the God of Spinosa and the God of Max Planck, where Max Planck once spoke about a great mind being the matrix of reality.

The 18th degree is a Rosicrucian degree, descended from one of the oldest working Rosicrucian degree rituals around. This degree deals with alchemy and teaches the occult philosophy behind the Rose & Cross.

The famous 32nd degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry is interestingly based not on Christian or Jewish mysticism, but on Vedic philosophy, where God is correlated with the Omkara. In Hinduism, the Omkara is the actual name of the sound OM. It is taught in Vedic philosophy that the sound OM manifested the universe. This is confluent with the Divine Mind as the Logos: "In the beginning was the Word."

Outside of Freemasonry, that concept of the Word or Logos takes on an even more occult flavor, where Crowley had his Word which was Thelema.

And so, depending on how one defines the word "occult," if you study Freemasonry's rituals and read Albert Pike's Morals & Dogma which is the official book of the higher degrees, you will find a lot of occult teachings and occult philosophy. But if by occult you mean shit like telekinesis, bilocation, summoning demons, remote viewing, witchcraft, magick, sorcery, walking through walls, astral projection, tarot cards, chakras, and shit, then no, you won't find that.
 

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how do you know about that?
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In the "lower" degrees, the first three ancient degrees (Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craft, & Master Mason), Freemasonry is more philosophical and has roots in the European Age of Enlightenment and the Naturalist Deism of that period. In that sense, Freemasonry proper is not occult. Most Freemasons of the first three degrees wouldn't even consider Freemasonry to be esoteric.

But when you get into the "higher" degrees, of Scottish Rite Freemasonry (the famous or notorious 32nd degree and 33 degrees), then you will find the occult, depending on how you define the word "occult." For example, the Scottish Rite degrees openly and explicitly states that the Kabbalah was used to create Freemasonry. Hence you will find the Three Pillars of the Tree of Life in the lower degrees, called therein the pillars of Strength, Wisdom, and Beauty. You will also see that the peculiar manner in which each of the 3 degrees of Freemasonry proper wears their apron corresponds to portions of the Tree of Life. RE: the Apprentice wears his apron with the triangular flap pointing upwards corresponds with the top portion of the Tree of Life, the Fellow Craft wears his apron with the triangular flap resting in a downwards position corresponds with the middle part of the Tree of Life, and the Master Mason wears his apron like a Fellow Craft but with a corner of the bottom folded up making a triangle corresponds to the bottom of the Tree of Life, where the bottom point of the said formed triangle of the apron is Malkuth.

The direction of travel indicated by the aprons flows from the top of the Tree of Life down to Malkuth which is the Kingdom. Meaning that, as with Kabbalistic philosophy, the supernal Light of Ain Sof descends and materializes as Malkuth. This direction from top to bottom, from heaven to earth is confluent with the symbol of Freemasonry itself. In ancient times, when a Freemason dies, they would etch an upside-down Square & Compass. The Square is the working tool of a Mason. The two points of the compass points to heaven, which means that the dead Freemason has finished his work on earth and has returned home to heaven. Therefore, the Masonic Square & Compass in its normal position that we are all familiar with, has the opposite meaning confluent with the descent of Light manifested as the World, where the two points of the Compass point down to the earth, meaning the Freemason descends from heaven on earth to work (symbolized by the Square).

The letter G itself, also has an occult meaning in the higher degrees. G stands both for God & Geometry. This itself is Hermetic in Nature. Geometry meaning the shapes and forms of the world or universe. The G standing for both God and Geometry at the same time expresses the Hermetic doctrine that the physical world is the emanation and manifestation of God: the Light of Ain Sof materialized as Malkuth, Shakti (energy) condensed as Loka (the world).

The 14th degree goes on to teach the definition of God. It teaches that the highest conception of God which your mind can conceive and receive is the closest to the Truth. This is also Hermetic philosophy, which teaches that reason and intelligence is not equally distributed among mankind. Some people are more rational than others and some people are more intelligent than others. This basically means that an ignorant person's mind may only be able to understand and receive the concept of a God as an anthropomorphic person, and a very intelligent person's mind may receive and understand a God that is formless, ineffable and beyond human comprehension, and both receptions of God - as approximations - are close to the Truth, but one is closer than the other.

God, in Freemasonry is called the "Great Architect of the Universe" or the "Supreme Architect." One of the most ancient Hindu deities is called "Vishvakarman" whose name means Supreme Architect. But this God is not a Creator God of Abrahamic religions. This is a Naturalistic Deist God of the Age of Enlightenment. An "architect" is not a builder per se. An architect is the person who designs a structure on a blueprint and establishes the rules for how the structure should be constructed. This concept of architect is expressed in Freemasonry in the person of the Master Architect Hiram Abiff who, in the third degree of Freemasonry, is said to the architect of King Solomon's Temple. It was his habit to draw designs of the said temple upon his "Trestle Board." A Trestle Board was what a "blueprint" was called in ancient times and was usually animal hide with drawings on it.

In the first degree ritual, it is taught: "[By] the Trestle Board we are reminded that, as the operative workman erect his temporal building agreeably to the rules and design laid down by the Master on his Trestle Board, so should we, both operative and speculative, endeavor to erect our spiritual temple agreeably to the rules and designs laid down by the Supreme Architect of the Universe in the Great Book of Nature and revelation..." The old Deists during the Age of Enlightenment believes that Nature was like a Book which can be read. They also believed that Nature is the material body or material manifestation of God, and therefore to study and understand the mysteries of Nature, you come to understand the mysteries and nature of God. The "rules and designs" of the Supreme Architect laid down on his "Trestle Board" are the Laws of Nature. Which is to say that the physical universe is a manifestation of processes that happen in context to and in accord with laws and principles of nature, such as gravity, the 4 forces, cause and effect. The rules or laws of nature themselves is what gradually creates the world, not God.

God is just the Divine Mind - like Plato and the early Stoics taught, the Logos - who held in his Mind ideas and thoughtforms. The third degree of Freemasonry says this about God the Great Architect: "It is [our spirit] the inspiration of that Divinity whom we adore, and bear the nearest resemblance or affinity to that Supreme Intelligence which pervades all nature, and which never, never, never dies." That quote talks about the immortal spirit we each have that animates our bodies. It says that our spirit is an inspiration, meaning In-Spire or to Breath In, meaning the Breath of God. And it says that this God is a "Supreme Intelligence" which "pervades" nature. The supreme intelligence is the Thinker of the Idea, and this Divine Intelligence is pantheistic where it is present everywhere in and of nature. This is the God of Spinosa and the God of Max Planck, where Max Planck once spoke about a great mind being the matrix of reality.

The 18th degree is a Rosicrucian degree, descended from one of the oldest working Rosicrucian degree rituals around. This degree deals with alchemy and teaches the occult philosophy behind the Rose & Cross.

The famous 32nd degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry is interestingly based not on Christian or Jewish mysticism, but on Vedic philosophy, where God is correlated with the Omkara. In Hinduism, the Omkara is the actual name of the sound OM. It is taught in Vedic philosophy that the sound OM manifested the universe. This is confluent with the Divine Mind as the Logos: "In the beginning was the Word."

Outside of Freemasonry, that concept of the Word or Logos takes on an even more occult flavor, where Crowley had his Word which was Thelema.

And so, depending on how one defines the word "occult," if you study Freemasonry's rituals and read Albert Pike's Morals & Dogma which is the official book of the higher degrees, you will find a lot of occult teachings and occult philosophy. But if by occult you mean shit like telekinesis, bilocation, summoning demons, remote viewing, witchcraft, magick, sorcery, walking through walls, astral projection, tarot cards, chakras, and shit, then no, you won't find that.
how do you know about that? (sorry for the other comeny, you know, new member doing new member things...
 

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As in any organization, so in Freemasonry, the quality of the human material is of crucial importance. My main complaint about Freemasonry is its general spread and considerable numbers, which indicates that they do not make a strict selection of whom they will accept into their ranks. In this sense, the question is whether Freemasonry has any esoteric value?
 

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the church will be opening 5 doors under the st peter with the intent of hope. this is from approx. xmas till the 6th of January. masons are invited to join there during the ceremony. seems openly occult to me.

the fact that i feel obliged to promote church stuff IS occult. if and when we believe what is spread aka masons rule then isnt it nice that we can see them act out their play on camera? and dont we see then the church and the masons working together during a magickal ceremony? and arent they stating that they will call forth a current they call Hope? isnt that a feeling? playing with feelings, on earth....and what do we need to hope for this time? that the rich get richer? again? yes it is occult to the max. of course it is.
 

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the church will be opening 5 doors under the st peter with the intent of hope. this is from approx. xmas till the 6th of January. masons are invited to join there during the ceremony. seems openly occult to me.

the fact that i feel obliged to promote church stuff IS occult. if and when we believe what is spread aka masons rule then isnt it nice that we can see them act out their play on camera? and dont we see then the church and the masons working together during a magickal ceremony? and arent they stating that they will call forth a current they call Hope? isnt that a feeling? playing with feelings, on earth....and what do we need to hope for this time? that the rich get richer? again? yes it is occult to the max. of course it is.
What exactly is "current they call Hope?" Hope is a deceptive state of expectation. It makes more sense to awaken the power of intention. But don't be angry with me, I'm just noticing some things, HOPING that I understood what you wanted to say. In any case, let me point out the following. W.L. Wilmshurst said that Freemasonry is an instrument of regeneration. This instrument, by his own admission, is completely ineffective. The architects of the Masonic system were certainly wise and could have assumed that its massification would lead to profanation, and yet they were ready for this sacrifice because the system is actually ingenious in its essence and opaque even to those who use it, and on the other hand helpful to those who are open enough for it to trigger some immanent mechanisms in their consciousness. That is why Freemasonry is ingenious, despite its members.
 

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im just spreading the 'good' news of what the church is going to do this coming 2 weeks. i totally get your drift, but witches ride waves, no? and natural nexions were used to built churches on, no? the stargame is a thing, no? then what are these masons in their play? any chance you read albert pikes morals and dogmas? quite a biggy in the occult world. oto is prob not masonic either....
 

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What exactly is "current they call Hope?" Hope is a deceptive state of expectation. It makes more sense to awaken the power of intention. But don't be angry with me, I'm just noticing some things, HOPING that I understood what you wanted to say. In any case, let me point out the following. W.L. Wilmshurst said that Freemasonry is an instrument of regeneration. This instrument, by his own admission, is completely ineffective. The architects of the Masonic system were certainly wise and could have assumed that its massification would lead to profanation, and yet they were ready for this sacrifice because the system is actually ingenious in its essence and opaque even to those who use it, and on the other hand helpful to those who are open enough for it to trigger some immanent mechanisms in their consciousness. That is why Freemasonry is ingenious, despite its members.
"A plan crafted by geniuses for execution by idiots," as Herman Wouk famously wrote of the U.S. Navy?
 

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I was in a similar position to OP when I petitioned to join freemasonry. I figured either I'd meet some likeminded people or I'd find a cabal of satanists to go after. I mostly figured it would be the former though.
As far as the occult goes, it's about who you meet, the ritual is good but wouldn't look like a ritual to most practitioners. Even the masons I've met who are interested in the occult, it isn't what they get out of masonry. It's really about the camaraderie, at least in the Blue Lodge (degrees 1-3). I haven't joined any appendant bodies to speak on them.
 
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