Generation Rx

[IllusiveOwl]

"We're doomed."

[ Please watch at least a few minutes of this video before responding here. Just for the sake of actual enlightening conversation and not the usual barbaric throwing of preconceived opinions. ]

We watched this in my Drugs & Behavior class and the reactions were mixed. Most of the students who raised their opinions thought it was propaganda against drugs and diagnosis, and were also both seriously medicated and psychologically dysfunctional, the irony was so potent I struggled to keep a straight & respectful face. Another student shared that in a school they internship at, almost all the five year old children there were medicated.

This is an esoteric forum, so I want to get schizophrenic with this. It's also worth pointing out the irony that I've been awarded for "missing my meds" because my mother stole them out of my cabinet. I think it's healthy for the brain to explore "out there" ideas, as long as you're disciplined and have a grip on reality.

What possible unseen agenda could involve drugging a huge swath of the growing generation? The children growing up today have an intense experience: medication altering their brain chemistry before maturation, hyper-responsive tablets, Virtual Reality, and a hyper-aggressive political landscape to grow into.

I want to go with the obvious choice: that kids are being medicated to either be sedated or to have their brain growth reduced en masse to make a more subservient and less-alive population of workers. I mean a third of Atlanta's student body being medicated is wild. Yes, pharmaceutical companies are making ass-loads of cash off of this, but that's the simplest answer out there, money, I think it's a lot more complicated and nuanced.

As a learning square-psychologist and mystic, I have to say that I disagree with the chemical model of behavior as well. I believe that depression causes the chemical happenings in the brain, not the other way around. Messing with the natural chemical balance of the brain - the most complex system known to man - while not treating the psychological aspect of it is... absurd, and causes a pathetic point of view where medications is "needed" in order to be "normal". It's just another chain, another thing "preventing" us from being free and fully functioning.

And diagnosis in general as well, putting an abstract name to a series of "symptoms"... I believe that the trend of people identifying with these labels and conforming themselves as authentic patients is becoming an outright epidemic. People labeled "ADD" have an excuse to act as hyper as their impulses tell them, people with "Autism" have the excuse to act as unrestricted as they want. I was labeled as having CPTSD & MDD, and yes I think having that badge on my chest defined me internally as a very very sad boy, and it was only after dropping the idea of "having" these disorders that I felt free to act and be whoever the FUCK I wanted to be... For context, I have worked directly with many disabled students and adults, even a handful of schizophrenics, my opinion has been formed after several months of prolonged interaction, even more contact-time than usual for my psych program.

What are your views on diagnosis, medication, and most especially child medication? And again, watch some of the video before responding....

 

[SkullTraill]

While there are people who have greatly benefitted from chemical treatments, and even some people who's lives would have been completely unliveable without them, I do agree that we have gone way, way too far with using pharmaceuticals as a catch all duct tape solution to every slight perceived mental condition.

Let me make an unpopular statement. A generation ago, whether it was for social credit, financial reasons or passion, we had an excess of certain medical professionals. Specifically psychiatrists and (worse) psychologists. For whatever reason, these people ended up as professionals in their fields (perhaps fields that shouldn't be professions - at least to this extent) and they need to eat and have job security, so we started hyper-analysing and over-diagnosing mental conditions to the point that it is now seen as the de facto solution to any mental health problem.

FWIW, I don't think it's only the medical/pharmaceutical industries, but also there are too many chemicals in food and everyday products that are having profound effects on human hormones, metabolism and mental health in a way that we are only just starting to see how far south it's going. At the end of the day it's deeply connected to the consumption of fossil fuels and the effort to "maximise value" from the byproducts to squeeze every last bit of profit from them as well.

This is the problem with health being an industry. For all capitalism's upsides, I don't think we should have ever let it get to the point where treating people is more profitable/valued than curing them. I do not see a solution for this right now as the medical industrial complex machine has it's cogs greased, funded, and spinning as fast as possible to maximise shareholder value, generate return on investment, and keep everyone in it fed and their jobs secure to the point that even questioning the risk/reward ratio of extreme drug usage, chemical dependence and overmedication is met with ridicule, cries of conspiracy and claims backed by self-absolving industry funded studies and research.

What's happening today both politically and economically disgusts me, and call me what you like but I will do everything in my power to prevent those I love and care for from being overdiagnosed and overmedicated. And yes, this means being somewhat anti-vax too.

In general, I agree with your sentiment that the fraction of people who need to be medicated is infinitesimal compared to the fraction of people being pipe fed these medications.

 

[Adelina]

Situation is actually quite grim.

Older generation became victim of nasty propaganda, that they must constantly use the meds once they reach some specific age. The next step was to force this constant medication as soon as it is possible in human's life.

Official health system is fraud, it is criminal business, which prospers on damaging health of billions of people (with vaccines being their major weapon against the health, just remember the plandemic hysteria and enforcement of vaccination, and that noone still answered for that).

I was on pills too earlier in my life until I realized how much harm they did to me and that there are other ways to fix the health.

And you are right, if you will do unbiased research, which is not tainted by propaganda and its false teachings, you will see that most of the ingredients of modern meds are quite harmful, and they are quite harmful for those who want to spiritually evolve, as they suppress a lot of subtle faculties.

When I was very young there were little medics around and people were much more healthy. Now there are medics around every corner with their pills and vaccines, and almost everyone now is subject to some kind of awful disease. The more medics there are, the less healthy people are. It is sad that barely anyone sees connection between this.

Those who are in power use official health system to shorten people's lifespan, so they wouldn't be a burden for pension system, and so they would be dumb and shortlived, in other words - be perfect slaves in "new world order". Those in power also use official medicine to covertly make some awful experiments on humanity, just look at all this mRNA stuff going around.

What can be done here, is to raise this issue, raise people's awareness about this issue. The more people aware about this, the faster something can be done about this until it is too late (though, it might be already too late somewhat, just looking at the health state of people and their overreliance on the system).

 

[Morell]

Good movie, however outdated, add to it how things worsened in last years thanks to smartphones. mRNA vaccine is already mentioned and COVID caused reason to enforce it on people worldwide. My friend had to take vaccine or being fired from job. You know, I'm not much into conspiracies, but big pharmas releasing COVID on population is after watching that movie kinda making sense...

When I was a teen, doctors were prescribing here pregnancy prevention hormones to girls to prevent acne. I'm wondering how big damage it had done to fertility, as it was proven to be harmful later.

I think that the movie shows some truth, of course in broader picture it is very complicated issue and here we see only some examples, things that happened as they happened. Problem is, that doctors must have licence to be legally doctors and to remain legal doctors they must follow procedures...

 

[Faria]

What are your views on diagnosis, medication, and most especially child medication?

I am wholly opposed to psychiatric medication. Let the crazy people be crazy.

As for children, I believe that all or nearly all behavioral problems are rooted in and resolved by nutrition and discipline. Show me a kid who "needs" Ritalin who has a positive and structured home experience, who gets good quality meals every day.

It is always a huge disappointment to find occultists who get defensive about how they "need" their psych meds. Of course they need them once they're addicted. I don't understand why anyone would give a care for the occult when they've bought into Big Pharma propaganda. People who are depressed or anxious need to figure out why and fix that, or else live with their disturbances and make the most of it. If you don't like football, taking a drug that makes football tolerable is not the solution, you have to be willing to go somewhere else and do something else. Instead of spending money on appointments and meds, buy a ticket to Tahiti and eat some coconuts, see people living a whole different kind of lifestyle, and then come back and see whether the problem is your brain or the rest of your home region being stupid.

I encourage people who take psych meds to quit anything related to the occult, either permanently or until they're off the brain drugs. If you have to take drugs to cure mental problems, take illegal drugs like psychedelics, whose effects and consequences become obvious much faster and whose usage can be stopped without destroying you. I believe that psychiatric medicine inhibits the strong emotions and wide-frame insights that occult practices aim to provide. It would be like chowing down on junk food while trying to get in shape with exercise.

Going to a naturopath is not much better. Most are just supplement dealers who submit all their diagnostic tools to the same online Charm system used by the regular doctors. If they depart too sharply from AMA guidelines, they will be fined, censured, and possibly jailed. The only real solution is to know your body, and to study medicine with the same enthusiasm given to Enochian, Kabbalah, Runes, or whatever occult system you're into. If you can learn those things, you can learn medicine and take care of yourself.

 

[SkullTraill]

Let the crazy people be crazy.

What would you say though, to someone who has taken psychiatric medication, and says it's dramatically improved their quality of life?

 

[Faria]

What would you say though, to someone who has taken psychiatric medication, and says it's dramatically improved their quality of life?

Same as above: If you are going to do the pharma thing, just do that. Abandon the occult.

Maybe I'm operating from a completely different perspective, but for me the entire idea of magic and the esoteric demands that a person seek out and engage with things whose explicit purpose is to restructure your life. Casting spells, calling spirits, all of it involves strong emotional experiences, overwhelming awe or reverence, hyper-motivation, and otherwise the exact things the drugs are designed to suppress. Freaking the heck out is part of the process, and that doesn't work well when a person has been lulled back into "sensible regular tolerable reality" by their drugs. In short, magic requires a bit of crazy, and the drugs are supposed to prevent that. So if the drugs are working, great, but don't expect much from the occult while on them.

And if a person happens to be the 0.000001% who doesn't have those issues with their taking of the drugs... again, fine. There's an exception to everything. I've seen a fairly large number of people sit on that fence, and the majority of them are way better off taking their meds and disengaging from the occult.

Just as I question whether or not people's magic is really all they want it to be, I also think it's a good idea for a person to ask the same questions about their meds. Things like whether it's worth the trouble, whether it's OK to be hooked on something and therefore need to be near a pharmacy for the rest of their lives "or else," and similar concerns. Usually when I hear people say they're OK with their meds, they are living a fairly stable lifestyle with a lot of guarantees, but then a few years go by and life happens. Instead of being a content and productive worker bee, they get divorced, lose their jobs, other issues. In such situations, being passive to stress can be detrimental, whereas fierce angry tenacity and unhinged enthusiasm for dumb stuff can lead to a new and better chapter of life. I haven't seen a lot of praise for the drugs from people who end up in tricky situations.