Journal Go big or Go home

[SeekerPS]

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✦ Magical Journal: Project for Evocation and Lot Acquisition ✦
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This thread will serve as a magical diary chronicling my ongoing work in evocation. Its purpose is to log the stages of my practice, my structural considerations, adjustments, setbacks, observations, and overall progress in one of the more ambitious projects I’ve undertaken.


You are welcome to comment or ask questions regarding the process; however, I’ll state this upfront for those who feel the need to bring it up constantly: No, working with the Holy Guardian Angel is not currently part of this plan. I lack the time and proper conditions to undergo such an operation at the moment. If your only suggestion is “get your HGA first,” then thank you, but I’m not interested.


✦ Objective ✦
The goal here is to go big or go home. I intend to win the lottery—specifically, the grand jackpot—so I can use the money to invest wisely, leave wage slavery behind permanently, and focus on more fulfilling magical and spiritual pursuits, including conversation with the HGA later on.


✦ Preliminary Phase: Ritual Construction & Tradition ✦
The first step was to determine the ritual structure and which traditions to draw from. I combined material from the Goetia of Dr. Rudd and the Grimorium Verum / Book of Saint Cyprian to construct a hybrid working system.


The structure I’ve settled on includes:

• Litany of the Saints (from the Grand Grimoire/San Cipriano tradition)
• Opening Prayer from Dr. Rudd (Appendix 15 in Goetia of Dr. Rudd)
• The Bornless One Invocation
• First Conjuration
• Second Conjuration
  → Additional conjurations are used as needed based on the spirit’s response.

In keeping with the Ciprianic model and inspired by Lon Milo DuQuette’s adaptation of Solomonic methods, I incorporated a Saint-focused circle—modified with their names instead of purely angelic or divine names. A visual of the circle is available in its own thread.


✦ Tools and Regalia ✦
Currently prepared tools include:

• White ceremonial robe
• Wand engraved with YHVH and AGLA and consecrated
• Consecrated pentagram
• Exorcised and consecrated Saint Benedict medal
• Incense
• Spirit seal engraved in metal (featuring the demon’s sigil and its corresponding Shem angel on the reverse)
• Censer

Still missing:

• Black-handled ritual knife
• Triangle of the Art (to be made in cloth or canvas)
• Hexagram
• Paper crown (due to delayed recovery of my copy of Techniques of Solomonic Magic)

✦ The Astaroth Pact ✦
The initial plan involved a detailed pact with Astaroth, intended to bind the spirit under oath to reveal, without deception or confusion, the exact winning numbers for the next draw of Baloto Revancha (a Colombian lottery). The contract included provisions for reward, protections, and penalties should the spirit fail in its task.


Unfortunately, just this past weekend (July 27), it was announced that the jackpot for the targeted draw was already claimed. This drastically reduces the prize for the next few draws. I’m now considering switching to a different lottery game—one where the player doesn’t choose the number, only buys the ticket.


This would require a different kind of spirit—possibly Bune/Bime or Vassago—both known for revealing hidden treasures or aiding in wealth acquisition. It also means drafting a new pact and commissioning a new seal in metal. The new formulation will likely center on ensuring that the specific ticket I buy wins, regardless of the number. This might actually be preferable, as it sidesteps the difficulties of relaying complex numbers from spirit to operator.


I will continue to document each stage of the process here. Comments and useful insights welcome

 

[Faria]

I am very interested in this type of discussion and objective. Lottery is such a strange thing, and I expect a modern one, as I doubt back in Roman or Babylonian times one could become a billionaire overnight by buying a ticket. So there don't appear to be a lot of spirits or spells in pre-18th Century type of magic that offer to make you fabulously wealthy due to such a thing. You are expected to find treasures instead, but this is sort of a modern equivalent so it's interesting to see how that works out in real-time practice.

As I mentioned elsewhere here, long ago I attempted to find lottery numbers by magic and was told, in essence, that I was not allowed to have it, so I have not attempted again since. Maybe you do have whatever karmic permission is required, so these experiments are worthwhile.

But my confusion when I see things like this, or other big-impact magical aims, is why you are puttering about with a Frankengrimoire. By way of analogy, if I wanted to build model cars, go-karts, or something inconsequential, I can do that in my garage; but if I wanted to do serious street racing, I'd want the real thing put together by serious professionals using tried-and-tested methods. If the Lotto is important to you, why have you decided to step back from the actual grimoires and build your own from a few chopped-up grimoires? If it's really truly that important to you, wouldn't you want to do the real thing the real way?

The "Bornless One" invocation has nothing whatsoever to do with Goetia. It got put into ACs work by mistake, it has zero relevance to the rest of the system. As an invocation of a pagan star deity Akephalos, it might even be considered blasphemous compared to the rest of the conjurations. You and many other magicians are just following in ACs footsteps there, but he had no need to stitch the ceremonies together with things like that, and now the default understanding of the whole thing is confused for modern audiences.

 

[SeekerPS]

I am very interested in this type of discussion and objective. Lottery is such a strange thing, and I expect a modern one, as I doubt back in Roman or Babylonian times one could become a billionaire overnight by buying a ticket. So there don't appear to be a lot of spirits or spells in pre-18th Century type of magic that offer to make you fabulously wealthy due to such a thing. You are expected to find treasures instead, but this is sort of a modern equivalent so it's interesting to see how that works out in real-time practice.

As I mentioned elsewhere here, long ago I attempted to find lottery numbers by magic and was told, in essence, that I was not allowed to have it, so I have not attempted again since. Maybe you do have whatever karmic permission is required, so these experiments are worthwhile.

But my confusion when I see things like this, or other big-impact magical aims, is why you are puttering about with a Frankengrimoire. By way of analogy, if I wanted to build model cars, go-karts, or something inconsequential, I can do that in my garage; but if I wanted to do serious street racing, I'd want the real thing put together by serious professionals using tried-and-tested methods. If the Lotto is important to you, why have you decided to step back from the actual grimoires and build your own from a few chopped-up grimoires? If it's really truly that important to you, wouldn't you want to do the real thing the real way?

The "Bornless One" invocation has nothing whatsoever to do with Goetia. It got put into ACs work by mistake, it has zero relevance to the rest of the system. As an invocation of a pagan star deity Akephalos, it might even be considered blasphemous compared to the rest of the conjurations. You and many other magicians are just following in ACs footsteps there, but he had no need to stitch the ceremonies together with things like that, and now the default understanding of the whole thing is confused for modern audiences.

Hi there

First, a bit of context about how I arrived here. I began my magical journey in chaos magick, but eventually moved away from its techniques, but not the mindset—particularly because sigil work yielded few tangible results for me. From there, I explored the Power of the Avatar system and the GoM books (Demons of Magick, etc.), as well as the NAP system. While I did see some results, they were often inconsistent or came outside of the timeframes I had specified. Useful, yes—but limited.


What really deepened my practice was encountering two key texts: Aleister Crowley's Illustrated Goetia and The Goetia of Dr. Rudd. Each presents a distinct approach to evocation, and while they differ structurally, I found them surprisingly compatible on a philosophical level. Alongside podcast interviews and lectures by authors like Stephen Skinner and Lon Milo DuQuette, I started developing a clearer framework for myself.


Here’s what I’ve come to believe:

• Every grimoire is incomplete by design.
• Over time, grimoires have been simplified, not enhanced. Later texts like the Grand Grimoire, San Cipriano, or the True Grimoire tend to streamline operations that earlier texts (Heptameron, Lemegeton) handled with much more complexity.
• The key to effective evocation isn’t rigidly following a single book, but understanding the core process: Preparation and Consecration → Invocation of Higher Authority → Calling → Binding → Petition → License to Depart.

You asked about the "Bornless One" and why I include it. It’s true that it wasn't originally part of the Goetia system. But in practice, it helps induce what chaos magicians might call the “gnosis state” and what Stephen Skinner calls the “magical mindset.” I find that it helps shift my awareness into a state that feels appropriate for serious spirit work. Still, maintaining that state is a challenge, which is why I also include the Litany of the Saints (for protection) and Dr. Rudd’s opening prayer


So yes, what I’m doing is syncretic. But I also believe that grimoires were never meant to be perfect how-to manuals. They’re magical diaries—records of what worked for a particular magician under particular conditions. Based on that, I feel justified in adapting the structure as long as I’m following the underlying logic and principles of evocation.


Of course, the ultimate test is whether this works in the field. I’ve delayed the actual operation until I have my copy of Techniques of Solomonic Magic in hand, because I want to be thorough. But the structure is clear, the tools are nearly ready, and the intention is firm.

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#	Name	Rank	Key Powers
8	Barbatos	Duke	Understands animal speech, uncovers hidden treasures, reconciles disputes, grants past/hidden knowledge.
20	Purson	King	Discovers hidden things and treasures, tells of past/present/future, provides good familiars.
31	Foras	President	Teaches logic and virtues of herbs/stones, makes men witty and long-lived, finds treasures/lost items.
32	Asmodai	King	Teaches math, astronomy, crafts; gives invincibility; reveals treasures and guarded secrets.
40	Raum	Earl	Steals treasures from kings, destroys cities, causes love between friends/enemies, tells past/future.
44	Shax	Marquis	Steals horses and gold from kings, discovers hidden things, deceives unless properly bound.
56	Gemory	Duke	Tells past/present/future, procures love of women, reveals treasures.
58	Auns (Amy)	President	Teaches astrology and liberal sciences, gives excellent familiars, reveals treasures and secrets.
62	Valu (Valac)	President	Finds treasures and serpents, gives true answers about hidden things.
66	Cimejes	Marquis	Teaches grammar, logic, rhetoric; discovers hidden treasures; governs spirits under cardinal directions.
70	Seere	Prince	Locates hidden things, brings anything swiftly from place to place, causes thefts and trickery.
72	Andromalius	Earl	Returns stolen goods, uncovers thieves, protects against theft, reveals hidden treasures and wickedness.

Aside from Bune/Bime, there's a notable selection of Goetic spirits that could potentially assist with my goal. It’s worth taking the time to review each of them carefully.


Raum stands out in particular—I've worked with him previously using the GoM method, with modest success. However, as an Earl, his optimal day for evocation is Tuesday, which currently presents logistical challenges. Additionally, his domain includes stealing treasures, which makes me doubt: I don’t consider winning the lottery to be equivalent to theft. Still, his ability to reveal the past and future remains relevant, especially in the context of divining winning numbers.


Dukes could be a more workable option for me. They are traditionally evoked on Fridays, during the hour of Venus—typically around 8 p.m. The Goetia of Dr. Rudd, however, recommends binding Dukes between dawn and noon, which may conflict with my timing. Nonetheless, it could be worthwhile to test a nocturnal operation and observe the results.


There are no Saturnian spirits on this treasure-finding list


Among the Kings, Asmoday is particularly intriguing. Both the Ars Goetia and the Stellas Daemonum highlight a wide range of potent abilities. Establishing a formal pact with him could prove valuable in the future. That said, I’ve always been cautious about working with Kings—Gaap is the only one I’ve engaged with directly, and it was a very demanding experience.


Purson appears more approachable by comparison. His abilities are highly relevant to this work, and the fact that he also provides good familiars adds to his appeal.

 

[Faria]

The key to effective evocation isn’t rigidly following a single book, but understanding the core process: Preparation and Consecration → Invocation of Higher Authority → Calling → Binding → Petition → License to Depart.

Components of any successful thing will reduce to simple terms, but you will see through practice that it isn't ever as simple as it sounds. Do you sincerely believe that, in a few months, you will be a mega millionaire? You should. If not... that is why we are here, right?

Invocation of Higher Authority... ok, so what is that, what does it require of you besides recitations? To actually have spiritual authority is a rare sort of thing, most people tend to go through life on autopilot or chasing after temptations. Whatever spiritual authority means to you, for it to be important enough to appear here foremost, deserves an appreciation beyond the formula. And you will get that sooner or later from doing the work, but I mention this for example of how the ceremony is just the skeleton for a bigger process in which you are a participant.

In the Lemegeton you are pledging yourself to act as a divine agent in all your requests, so that limits what you can do with the spirits. Even with the Bornless One or the HGA concept, you are acting on the agency and authority of your higher divine purpose, a manifestation of your secret inner self. If you are using Heptameron or some of the other old books, you are pledged to Jesus Christ. The sort of spiritual authority imparted by these systems is more like being a deputy than a judge, and some other absent figure is the one in whose name the spirits are commanded. I would encourage you to understand where you sit with all of that as a significant part of the work.

I am not a big fan of the "gnosis" emphasis in magical literature, as I think it gives a false impression of what needs to be done and encourages people to think there is some utility in being spaced out during rituals. In the Lemegeton, you are expected to walk around the circle while speaking the prayers from the "Explanations of Certain Names" section. After thoroughly cleaning the place of working, setting up everything, and presumably doing some kind of preparatory work, that circle-walking creates the sort of effect you describe. The Bornless invocation has a similar structure, but addresses powers unrelated to the spirit conjuring.

Purson appears more approachable by comparison. His abilities are highly relevant to this work, and the fact that he also provides good familiars adds to his appeal.

A little over 20 years ago, I called this spirit to reveal a great treasure, following its messenger over hill and hollow to find a vein of gold ore. It was the only time I've ever been shot at. Afterwards, a bank executive threatened to kill my whole family over it, and I left the state. In the following year, the federal government spent 1.8 billion dollars "renovating" the 150 feet of logging road adjacent to the site. I spent several years trying to recruit venture capital to finance the site, and eventually gave up under duress. I mention this to point out that sometimes revealing treasures is not the same as allowing them to fall into your hands, and the spirits will do all sorts of outlandish things to keep you from getting what you request. I believe that the way to circumvent that is to pay close attention to the Invocation, to have the sort of spiritual authority and purity of motive that the spirits are unable to oppose or ignore.

 

[SeekerPS]

Do you sincerely believe that, in a few months, you will be a mega millionaire?

Well, I know it’s possible, as i said, it happened this weekend with the guy who won 5.3 billion usd. Is just very unlikely.

Invocation of Higher Authority... ok, so what is that, what does it require of you besides recitations? To actually have spiritual authority is a rare sort of thing

This is not my area of expertise, so I’m going to be very brief here, but in my POV: magic and spirits =/= spirituality. Are spirits real? Probably so. At the very least, one should think that for this kind of magic to work. But magic is not a religion, nor a path to spiritual enlightenment. Mistery traditions and religions are better for that.

Christian, muslim and Chinese magicians have used the same techniques with different flavor to do their magic. I’m in no position to explain why would that work. And it’s also not my intent. I’m flavoring my magic in a way that makes sense to me, because I have lived in a culturally conservative society for all my life.

I’m not interested in a contest of who is more devout, or whose god is more powerful. I wouldn’t be able to do this asking it to Odin instead of Jesus by the simple fact that Odin is just a myth to me.

Some authors say that it’s not imperative to belive on these things as long as you are performing the right steps. That’s conforting, in a way, but in case believing is necessary, it’s much more easy to make it work with the beliefs i have been culturally

 

[SeekerPS]

Update:
I have redacted the new contract or pact, this one will be to the Goetia spirit called Busin/Bune/Bime (For those who don't know why Busin, read the Stellas Daemonum)

The third Duke under the King of the South is Busin, who is also called Bune, Bime, and Rewsyn. She comes in the form of a beautiful woman with a hoarse voice or of a dragon with the heads of a dog, a griffon, and a man, who speaks with a divine, high, and comely voice. She causes dead bodies to change their place and devils to congregate on sepulchers and can make one of her servitors enter a dead body and do all the things it could while it was alive except for the act of eating. She can also make a man rich, eloquent, and wise, speaks wisely before all who call her, and will answer all demands truly.

Keypoints here: Make a man rich=/=Find treasures, something which, i think, can be more useful for the task at hand. For the contract i take the model found in the Goetia of Dr rudd and modified it a little bit.

Spoiler: Image of the contract

So, here is the text:

Spoiler: Contract text Busin

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✦ [THE SPIRIT CONTRACT OF BUSIN] ✦
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I, the Spirit BUSIN, also called Bune, Bime, and Rewsyn, a Noble Duke residing and serving under the King of the South, AMAYMON, do by these presents, and of my own accord, at the behest and invocation of _____________ , bind and firmly oblige myself to appear, visibly and in fair and decent form, before _____________ , at such times and in such places as they shall call me forth, without delay, guile, or deception, whensoever and wheresoever required.


By the Sovereign Authority of ADONAY TETRAGRAMMATON, the Divine Majesty of JESUS THE CHRIST, the Royal Power of AMAYMON, King of the South, and the vigilant guidance of the Angel Shem HAAIAJ, I do swear and bind myself to the faithful and true execution of the following commands:


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I. PRIMARY OBLIGATION
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That I, BUSIN, shall forthwith cause the ticket purchased by _____________ for the _____________ Lottery, drawn this very night at 11:00 PM local time, to win the Grand Prize, ensuring both the number and the series match perfectly to the said ticket, so that it may be claimed without hindrance, obstacle, or ill fortune of any kind.


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II. CONTINUING SERVICE
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That I, BUSIN, shall at all times, whenever duly summoned by _____________ , appear promptly and visibly, in peaceable form, prepared to serve faithfully in any operation of the Art, rendering true and plain answers to all questions, and fulfilling all commands laid upon me in accordance with this pact.


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III. OBLIGATIONS TO THE EXORCIST
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That upon the faithful fulfillment of these my duties, _____________ shall honor me by preserving my sigil made in precious metal in a place of respect on _____________ home


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IV. CLAUSES OF PROTECTION & PENALTY
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That should I, BUSIN, fail willfully or deceitfully in any point of this contract without just cause, I acknowledge _____________ right, by the power of ADONAY TETRAGRAMMATON, JESUS CHRIST, the King AMAYMON, and the Angel HAAIAJ, to cast my sigil into fire with sulfur, pronouncing the malediction, delivering me to just punishment.


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V. TESTIMONY & SEAL
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In faithful witness of my promises herein, I, the Spirit BUSIN, have set my mark under the Names of the Most High, the King of the South, and the Angel Shem HAAIAJ, binding myself to obedience, honesty, and service to_____________ , from this day _____________ forward, until released by lawful rite or the end of _____________ natural life.

This week I should get the last few items i need, and then i think i will be able to perform the rite this month. as a funny side note, last saturday, the same lottery that i stopped trying to win was again claimed. ofc this time it was a lot less money (around 585k USD). Let this be a good omen to this proyect

 

[Kassandra Kaos]

Thoughts on the contract, though I am not a lawyer:
1) Since it is a long term contract I would have put the primary obligation as being to appear promptly and fulfilling all the questions and commands etc, but that's just me. The one-off winning a particular lottery seems like a subtask than a main contract.

2) Whatever you do I dont think you should ever cast the sigil into fire and pronounce the malediction. If nothing else because you wrote "with just cause". It would be too easy for a powerful demon to subtly maneuver you into doing something that could give it "just cause" to "fail" or not perform, or there may in fact be a good reason. Then that "just cause" clause is going to start a whole chain of pain for you. I'm not saying demons are so evil they will always try to get one up on you, but if you make it a significant portion of your contract with full intention of carrying through with it you may want to sleep with one eye open just saying. But I've heard good things about Bune so congratulations.

 

[SeekerPS]

1) Since it is a long term contract I would have put the primary obligation as being to appear promptly and fulfilling all the questions and commands etc, but that's just me. The one-off winning a particular lottery seems like a subtask than a main contract.

Hello. Good points.

at this moment winning is my main goal. In fact the part for Bune appearing promptly is more in the case the experiment doesn’t work. I could see the point on that being the main goal, but if the spirit delivers there is not much more to ask from it

For your second point: a little of stick makes the carrot look better. Is a standard practice in old grimoires anyway, and there’s a reason for that.

i could still rewrite that part with the just cause just to evade any loophole, thanks!

 

[QuietStorm@7]

Well I'm rooting for you!

 

[SeekerPS]

I got to make the black handled knife (or more accurate, black sheated, could not find black hilt) In the Saint Ciprian book there were no instructions of names or figures to be inscribed on it. Iwent for the ones on the grimorium verum because:

• Is closer to the Saint Cyprian book than the key of solomon
• The figures on the key of solomon are too small and too low definition for the person that makes the engraving to work with them

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[Faria]

I got to make the black handled knife (or more accurate, black sheated, could not find black hilt)

Will you be OK with the spirit giving you non-winning numbers because it couldn't be bothered to find the winning ones?

The sigils in most editions of the Key are pretty clear and easily copied for engravings. Which edition are you using that has them illegible?

 

[SeekerPS]

Will you be OK with the spirit giving you non-winning numbers because it couldn't be bothered to find the winning ones?

The sigils in most editions of the Key are pretty clear and easily copied for engravings. Which edition are you using that has them illegible?

I don’t bother with the color because i know it comes from the same jewish tradition of sacrificing animals. This knife is not sacrificial, because im not sacrificing a goat to make parchment paper.
If the spirit complains about that, it can either say it to me, and then i will paint it black; or try to pull that trick out and then see as i put the sigil on the fire. Whatever it prefers.

the image is in the sacred archive page, since is a photoengraving technique it requires the image, and the image is too cluttered and small, if i enlarge it on photoshop it loses details and deforms.

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[Faria]

I don’t bother with the color because i know it comes from the same jewish tradition of sacrificing animals. This knife is not sacrificial, because im not sacrificing a goat to make parchment paper.

Do you see how this is like watching a production company badly transfer a novel into live action?

If you are going to bother with grimoire-esque ceremonies, it helps to get into them and grab them by the roots. The original format has you deal with things that are expected to be outside of your regular life and work. Thats part of the process. Finding a more convenient way tends to corner-cut most of the actual work that makes it work.

If the spirit complains about that, it can either say it to me, and then i will paint it black; or try to pull that trick out and then see as i put the sigil on the fire. Whatever it prefers.

If spirits were in the habit of making themselves known to people who botch their conjuration and offering helpful tips, half of the magicians in the world would be satisfied just with that. What you’re more likely to get is completely ignored, leaving you to wonder if anyone heard your call at all. Its not about having a black knife or some other color, but about how much of the work is your deliberate stamp on the universe vs. How much of it is just what was convenient for you. About 99.999% of people find ways to excuse themselves from reading the grimoire and doing what it says, even though it repeatedly says do it just right or it will fail. And so 99.999% fail and then live for years in delusion about it. Cut that short by giving the ceremony and the work related to it as much priority as you'd give to something very very important.

the image is in the sacred archive page, since is a photoengraving technique it requires the image, and the image is to cluttered and small, if i enlarge it on photoshop it loses details and deforms.

It's perfectly clear for basically everyone who ever made those implements.

If your fancy photoengraver can't handle it, use a technique that can. They can be hand engraved, chemically etched, or written with the feather pen and some exotic ink. Or you can recognize the symbols as you've shown them, redraw them in a neater fashion, and have your machine engrave those. Again I think you are sacrificing important parts of the work in favor of non-important concerns like making it all look precisely copied and laser cut.

 

[SeekerPS]

Do you see how this is like watching a production company badly transfer a novel into live action?

If you are going to bother with grimoire-esque ceremonies, it helps to get into them and grab them by the roots. The original format has you deal with things that are expected to be outside of your regular life and work. Thats part of the process. Finding a more convenient way tends to corner-cut most of the actual work that makes it work.



If spirits were in the habit of making themselves known to people who botch their conjuration and offering helpful tips, half of the magicians in the world would be satisfied just with that. What you’re more likely to get is completely ignored, leaving you to wonder if anyone heard your call at all. Its not about having a black knife or some other color, but about how much of the work is your deliberate stamp on the universe vs. How much of it is just what was convenient for you. About 99.999% of people find ways to excuse themselves from reading the grimoire and doing what it says, even though it repeatedly says do it just right or it will fail. And so 99.999% fail and then live for years in delusion about it. Cut that short by giving the ceremony and the work related to it as much priority as you'd give to something very very important.



It's perfectly clear for basically everyone who ever made those implements.

If your fancy photoengraver can't handle it, use a technique that can. They can be hand engraved, chemically etched, or written with the feather pen and some exotic ink. Or you can recognize the symbols as you've shown them, redraw them in a neater fashion, and have your machine engrave those. Again I think you are sacrificing important parts of the work in favor of non-important concerns like making it all look precisely copied and laser cut.

I know magicians who skip the knife entirely and still achieve successful evocations. By that logic, I would never be able to practice magic, since I can’t obtain a lion-skin belt or hazel wood in my country. Yet I’ve also seen skilled practitioners adapt—making spirit sigils out of paper instead of gold, or drawing magical tables on paper rather than marble, wood, or wax. As someone once said: “If you cannot make a magic ring out of paper, you will not be able to make a magic ring out of gold.”

For me, the critical element is consecration. If I wanted to be lazy, I wouldn’t have engraved the blade at all. The books I consulted—both editions—don’t even specify this. The goal is to create something magical, and that requires proper consecration and preservation, not slavish adherence to materials.

I do have concerns about the knife—but not about the spirit fulfilling my request. My worries are about safety: that it might try to harm me, or refuse to leave when commanded. Reading the texts, it becomes clear that the knife is more of a banishing tool than an evocation tool. It’s traditionally used to draw the circle on the floor, stemming from the belief that spirits fear iron. Yet in the Book of Saint Cyprian, iron isn’t even used—the hematite or bloodstone serves that purpose, and hematite isn’t black. So which matters more: the iron or the handle? If color were crucial, why paint the hilt rather than the blade?

Ultimately, it’s consecration that makes the knife “sacred, holy, or magical,” not its color—just as the gold of a temple isn’t sacred in itself, but because it’s offered to the temple. On the day of our Lord Jesus, the flat bread he shared was nothing like the consecrated host used in churches today. This evolution is simply for convenience in manufacture, storage, and preservation—and I’m sure Jesus didn’t object. Though personally, I’d prefer if they gave us brioche instead.

I could have ordered online a knife, but it would take weeks to arrive, and that if they don’t detain the package in customs because I ordered a weapon. I think I will learn more by doing it with this one, even if the lesson is: i should have just painted the fucking knife black

 

[Faria]

I know magicians who skip the knife entirely and still achieve successful evocations.

Yes, and I do not use such an instrument because I do not kill cats or goats. And so instead of trying to make the Grimoirium Verum ritual into something it is not, I do other rituals that don't require such a thing.

If color were crucial, why paint the hilt rather than the blade?

Again, it's not about the color, but the process. I forget whether GV or Dragon Rouge, but at one point you are instructed to go find a professional blacksmith and have them modify the blade into bands for the tips of the wand. And the Key has you heat the blade 3 times and quench in the blood of a black cat and hemlock juice. Doing all that makes you a fearsome sort of being, it marks you like stripes on a wasp. Buying a cool knife does not do that, anyone can mark up a blade with symbols. Its not about having the thing, but the way in which you get it that matters.

I could have ordered online a knife, but it would take weeks to arrive, and that if they don’t detain the package in customs because I ordered a weapon. I think I will learn more by doing it with this one, even if the lesson is: i should have just painted the fucking knife black

In dealing with spirits, especially for big goals like what you want, you either have leverage or bribes. The latter puts you under their power, but the former requires you to prove that you have nearly superhuman determination that they will not be able to divert whenever they like.

Think of what level of commitment in terms of time and money you put into this specific work vs. what you put into other things in regular life. Wait a week or two? Have you not waited for other things, official documents or whatever comes by mail? Why must the mega-money life changing thing be given less priority than those things? The spirits dont answer because you have the right colors, symbols, or names, but from you having power to command their attention.

Hematite is iron mingled with quartz. The spots in bloodstone are also iron.

 

[SeekerPS]

Yes, and I do not use such an instrument because I do not kill cats or goats. And so instead of trying to make the Grimoirium Verum ritual into something it is not, I do other rituals that don't require such a thing.

And those things that you do, did you made them yourself or did you learnt them from a book? If you learnt from a book, then the person who wrote the book should have experimented with what he could get. If you invented yourself, I imagine that you experimented with things you researched before. I’m taking something, looking at how much can I simplify it, and still get results. And that’s the point of this journal: to get a register and start checking what works and what doesn’t work. I don’t fear failure. Both Stephen Skinner and Lon Milo Duquette had said that you don’t win the lottery with evocation. I fear not doing it because my process is not a perfect copy of the book. Yes maybe I won’t get rich. Maybe the spirit appears and tells me he cannot make me rich by lottery, he can just make me rich by paralyzing my legs and then getting insurance payments. Then i would have learned.
If the spirit doesn’t fear me i still have a way to coerce him by punishment. It is pretty clear by the tradition that they fear the destruction of their sigils and hate bad smells and odors. And if even then he still not obeys, then i just burn completely the sigil and banish him from my existence, there are other 71 spirits i can use for other things, and if that one survives it can tell them that when i said i would destroy their sigils I wasn’t joking. Maybe i’m not dedicated enough to kill a cat or a goat, but that is because i despise animal cruelty, not because i lack the capacity to do it. But they can bet i can be dedicated enough to call it again and burn his sigil if he wants to put me to the test

 

[Faria]

And those things that you do, did you made them yourself or did you learnt them from a book?

For several years I did what I could and what seemed best according to my understanding, as you are doing here and likely many others do. At some point I finally decided to just forget about all my objections and just do the stuff the way it's described in the grimoire without any excuses or alterations, and it made the difference. Not that the grimoire is so special, but that bothering to do so was an important factor. I realize there are all these reasons and other people saying this or that about why its perfectly OK to just mix and match all sorts of occultism into one big jumble that vaguely resembles Solomonic evocation etc. My experience has been that these opinions are not to be taken seriously and that you do indeed have to embrace the grimoire on its own terms. That means the divine invocations foremost, the absolute insistence on command, and zero compromise on all particulars of the ceremony. The details - colors & symbols - hardly matter at all. Those 3 things above are the core of summoning demons for treasure finding. I found my gold. I have dined with princes. I have seen how this works, and I am offering my comments with the intent of them being toward your advantage.

If the spirit doesn’t fear me i still have a way to coerce him by punishment. It is pretty clear by the tradition that they fear the destruction of their sigils and hate bad smells and odors. And if even then he still not obeys, then i just burn completely the sigil and banish him from my existence, there are other 71 spirits i can use for other things, and if that one survives it can tell them that when i said i would destroy their sigils I wasn’t joking.

I usually ask people what they plan to do at that point, and upon what they believe their leverage really depends. Imagine this as a laboratory experiment, how do you at that moment determine which element of your experiment is at fault?

 

[SeekerPS]

It depends on how the ritual fails:

1. The spirit does not appear.
This would be the most serious issue, and the hardest to resolve. I would first reconsider my calls—though I’m already using the standard ones with only minor additions of prayers as John Dee used to perform, to help me enter the magical mindset. A bigger concern would be that I’m simply not clairvoyant enough to perceive the spirit. In that case, I’d need to either meditate more, use a mild psychedelic, or bring someone along who can see it. I do know someone like that, but she’s afraid of demons, so convincing her would take time. I could also try again at a different time if I suspected the astrological hour was unfavorable.

2. The spirit is present but cannot fully materialize.
If I can sense its presence but it doesn’t manifest visibly, the likely problem is with the incense. I’m already using high-quality olibanum and sandalwood, but this would still be the first thing to review.

3. The spirit appears but can cross the circle or ignores the knife.
In that case, the failure is obvious—it means the protective measures are compromised.

4. The spirit agrees to my request but fails to deliver.
This means either it thinks I’m a fool or I summoned the wrong spirit.

• If it’s testing me, I need to prove I can punish it and that deceit has consequences—requiring me to perform the ceremony again.
• If it simply cannot fulfill the request, I must be sure it’s not lying. In that case, I’d punish it lightly to test its honesty. If it still refuses, I’d dismiss it and seek another spirit.

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Now, i know some things people think I’m being cruel to the spirit. But I’m giving the choice between punishment and reward. If he chooses punishment is not my fault, and I’m surely more happy with everything going smoothly and swiftly

 

[otherworldlymage]

Following. Perhaps you should change it from lottery to another lucractive business however.

 

[Amadeus]

Best of success to you, hopefully something interesting happens!

I remember you from that other post.
I'd really recommend to experiment with the online slot machines as well. Just don't go too wild with it, spinning costs a lot more than the tickets. The slots can have grand jackpots as well.

You can focus on getting the intuition going so that you get a strong feeling "now it's time to play!", then the guidance which slot machines to pick. Perhaps something progressive with jackpot systems, there are plenty of them. Make sure the place where you play is legitimate, lots of bogus casinos online. There are also a lot of good ones that throw a bunch of risk free spins or credit without any strings attached, no wager requirements. It depends where you live and what's available, though. Also possible to get decent sports bets and experiment with some combo bets.

I've tried both slots and lotteries for ages and ages. Started playing lotteries decades ago. For some reason they never gave anything that nice despite all the efforts. I remember some hits that were about the equivalent to my monthly salary at that time, those were alright.
There was much more success with the slots. The slot machines occasionally gave higher hits, strong feelings of getting the game names out of nowhere. Lucky streaks that lasted several days.

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If you're going for some experiments, try the different options