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Goetic spirits and their knowledge

lumineth Realm Lord

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So, a vast majority of Goetic spirits are said to teach academic subjects. If anyone has worked with them, how have they acted with this knowledge? Were they miserly with it? Or were they ready and willing to provide it?
 
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It's a combination of flat out telling you to do something a certain way or this is that, triggering gnosis, and helping you retain material. They dont give you the full picture and sometimes give you the wrong information so you have to be able to test what they tell you. Im of the personal belief when I get the wrong information from them that they honestly just dont know or have a different perspective. If you're gonna contact them for insight on a subject approach with questions about technica thats where they shine. Whether its operative procedure, a specific problem, something that can be practically and technically applied about the subject thats when their information becomes supernatural.
 

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It's a combination of flat out telling you to do something a certain way or this is that, triggering gnosis, and helping you retain material. They dont give you the full picture and sometimes give you the wrong information so you have to be able to test what they tell you. Im of the personal belief when I get the wrong information from them that they honestly just dont know or have a different perspective. If you're gonna contact them for insight on a subject approach with questions about technica thats where they shine. Whether its operative procedure, a specific problem, something that can be practically and technically applied about the subject thats when their information becomes supernatural.
i am not very much experienced in goetia can you possibly tell me how do you communicate with the "solomonic beings"?
 

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I found them to answer exactly the question asked and not what you think you asked. Pay attention to your wording and structure. Also, they don't perceive time as we do while alive, so the response may seem incorrect initially or make no sense, but much later the response proves correct. Just make sure you're communicating with the actual desired spirit and not an imposter.
 

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Don't you find it strange that these beings only manifest when humans who believe in them are present?
Not particularly. Strongly held belief has been known to cause all manner of strange manifestations.
Personally I think it’s because we are God individualized and thus when we believe we have the power to summon them, we actually can.
 

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Astaroth teaches me, but not like a schoolteacher. No chalkboard, no voice, no lesson plan. He teaches through downloads. Pure insight that doesn’t always make sense in the moment. Sometimes it takes days or weeks, but when it lands, it lands hard.

It’s like waking up one day and knowing something down to your bones, even though you never studied it. (The 7 Hermetic Principles are a perfect example. I never studied them formally. But now I know them intimately. I’ve embodied them.)

I’ve had a few back-and-forth moments with him, but honestly, the real teaching comes in the silence between. The space after the ritual. The walk in the woods. The moment when you’re just barely paying attention, and boom. There it is. He’s never been stingy with knowledge, but he is precise. What comes through is exactly what I’m ready to process. No more, no less. And when I came in cocky once, trying to argue like I had station I didn’t? He handed me my ass... hard. Deservedly. I’m lucky I got a second chance. Since then, I just listen respectfully (Dont bring that Lilith wildfire rebellion to Asteroth haha).

Let me contrast that with Bune. I worked with Bune for a while, and he taught with a firehose. Creative flow blasting through faster than I could contain it. It got so intense, I did a ritual to Saturn, not for control, but to provide structure, just so I could hold what was coming through without burning up.

Bune is regal and calm. Doesn't suffer my jokes, but smirks at my mistakes. Calculating. Serious. A completely different current from Astaroth.

I share this to show that different demons teach in very different ways. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just... aligned differently. If you're open and honest, you’ll get what you’re meant to get. But it’ll come on their terms, not yours.

Your experience may be different from mine, and it should be.
 
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Don't you find it strange that these beings only manifest when humans who believe in them are present?
I was an Atheist during my first ritual.
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i am not very much experienced in goetia can you possibly tell me how do you communicate with the "solomonic beings"?
Setting up an alter is the first thing. I personally draw the sigil in my notebook and then give a drop of blood. I always make sure I burn the right incense and call them on the correct planetary hour/day. Make sure to give offerings and be sure to be respectful and be grounded. You can believe they are "all in your head" if you want, but exterior things can or will happen.
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Astaroth teaches me, but not like a schoolteacher. No chalkboard, no voice, no lesson plan. He teaches through downloads. Pure insight that doesn’t always make sense in the moment. Sometimes it takes days or weeks, but when it lands, it lands hard.

It’s like waking up one day and knowing something down to your bones, even though you never studied it. (The 7 Hermetic Principles are a perfect example. I never studied them formally. But now I know them intimately. I’ve embodied them.)

I’ve had a few back-and-forth moments with him, but honestly, the real teaching comes in the silence between. The space after the ritual. The walk in the woods. The moment when you’re just barely paying attention, and boom. There it is. He’s never been stingy with knowledge, but he is precise. What comes through is exactly what I’m ready to process. No more, no less. And when I came in cocky once, trying to argue like I had station I didn’t? He handed me my ass... hard. Deservedly. I’m lucky I got a second chance. Since then, I just listen respectfully (Dont bring that Lilith wildfire rebellion to Asteroth haha).

Let me contrast that with Bune. I worked with Bune for a while, and he taught with a firehose. Creative flow blasting through faster than I could contain it. It got so intense, I did a ritual to Saturn, not for control, but to provide structure, just so I could hold what was coming through without burning up.

Bune is regal and calm. Doesn't suffer my jokes, but smirks at my mistakes. Calculating. Serious. A completely different current from Astaroth.

I share this to show that different demons teach in very different ways. One isn’t better than the other, they’re just... aligned differently. If you're open and honest, you’ll get what you’re meant to get. But it’ll come on their terms, not yours.

Your experience may be different from mine, and it should be.
Your experience with Bune is quite similar to my own, I have been recently working to Ronove and he has been the complete opposite.
 
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So, a vast majority of Goetic spirits are said to teach academic subjects. If anyone has worked with them, how have they acted with this knowledge? Were they miserly with it? Or were they ready and willing to provide it?
It depends...what do you have for giving in return ??
Nothing is for free.
 

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Your experience with Bune is quite similar to my own, I have been recently working to Ronove and he has been the complete opposite.
This is the cool stuff worth comparing notes over. Learning from others experiences about spirits I have not yet worked with. Love it!
 
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