[Help] Magick to punish

[lumineth Realm Lord]

So, let's say someone hurts you, or someone else, and I mean in a way that causes a real impact. And you wanted to do something magic related to punish them. How do you do it?

Beforehand, I asked about curses. But I thought that maybe I was using the wrong terminology. I'm not sure what you'd call what I'm looking for, but I essentially want to punish those who hurt, or are hurting, myself or others.

Again, I'm not targeting anyone specifically. But I think this is an important thing to learn about.

I'm not so much looking for justice per se. Assuming justice means getting the proper authorities involved. Frankly, I don't trust people in positions of authority.

I'm not looking to slowly destroy a person's life. I'm asking how to use magic to hold people accountable in a "Let the punishment fit the crime" type of way. And also the effects should be temporary. Especially if they make up for it.

 

[FireBorn]

Does a curse have to be permanent? Cant you make up a curse? Stupid magick people, they didn't tell you that you can make up your own curse with whatever you want in it. You can make it against a person, place, thing, situation, current, weather on a specific day in July on a waning moon only when its 70 degrees outside on a Tuesday night if you want. Man the limits are only in your own imagination here. A curse doesn't have to destroy either. You can create a curse to do whatever you want it to do. Be creative!

Revenge, fucking someone up, teaching a lesson, righting a wrong, whatever makes you feel good about it to be honest. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but man, you are really hung up on your own morals here, nothing about magick (please read that again). Zero shame in that, but really, you dont need permission. Maybe sit and think about your own morals, what is it you believe about this kind of situation?

If you had access to a curse that would put a stop to, or fix this situation, would you use it? Can you own the result if it worked? What is preventing you from using it? There is your actual issue. Its not something to feel bad over, its about you looking at yourself in the mirror and either changing course, or growing through the discomfort and changing your beliefs. It really is that simple. This is so huge in magick. Most of us have to deal with this shit many times. Discomfort. Change, Growth. Yep, that's magick.

Just my opinion. Good luck man.

 

[Amadeus]

I've had exactly such cases where loved ones suffered cause of some bastards. You definitely lose all morals and everything else when you see your loved ones in tears, suffering for months because of some bastards. I remember a case where somebody with a position caused suffering to colleagues, children and elderly. Horrible bastard...

I don't do these things much, only in extreme cases. The way how I did it.

If you are somebody who works a lot with let's say, angels, demons, deities, saints, all the time charged to the maximum, if you are in a strong charged and connected state, you can simply send that missile by having a mix of hatred, anger, energy, all combined together with intentions. The extreme state and intentions can manifest very fast. The spirits you work with themselves can attack automatically. Like with the khodam (sufi stuff), if one of those sees you are in distress it might deal with it on its own or with little to no effort from your side.

While not required, one way is looking at the images, visualizing, then some "magic" happens with requests, intentions, missiles go.

In my cases I asked for "retribution, what you sow that you reap, return, bring back harmony to the environment, teach a lesson", but without leaving any permanent damage, just teach a lesson that can be remembered. I usually described what I wanted to achieve with very concise requests. All the important details put together.
Either commands in a special state, or direct commands for something to go and do a few things.

 

[ZAXCY]

Read the magical combat essay of Liber Null and Psychonaut or the difference between Black, and red magick from Liber Kaos ~ It stimulates the imagination

 

[Vlitmer]

don't.

unless this person is going to try and hurt you or someone you know again it's best to turn the other cheek.
what you're asking for is essentially for the other person to get the karma you feel they deserve for what they have done to you. but the karma they will receive isn't determined or influenced by you at all and is ultimately decided by the universes will.

the healthiest thing for you to do is learn to live with the past and for the future. and eventually you'll find peace in any forgiveness you gain towards the individual.

 

[Ziran]

And you wanted to do something magic related to punish them. How do you do it?

Surveil the target. Find something they desire. And either claim it as your own or destroy it. Specifically how to do this depends on the object of their desire.

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I'm asking how to use magic to hold people accountable

There is no "holding people accountable" by magic. "Holding people accountable" is the work of a Judge not a Magician. They are two completely divergent fields of study.

 

[lumineth Realm Lord]

Surveil the target. Find something they desire. And either claim it as your own or destroy it. Specifically how to do this depends on the object of their desire.

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There is no "holding people accountable" by magic. "Holding people accountable" is the work of a Judge not a Magician. They are two completely divergent fields of study.

A judge is a human who can be driven by bias, selfishness, ideology, or be apathetic to the laws he or she reinforces. At least if you take matters into your own hands, you have control of the situation.

 

[Ziran]

A judge is a human who can be driven by bias, selfishness, ideology, or be apathetic to the laws he or she reinforces.

... the field of study, jurisprudence, is the path to holding people accountable

At least if you take matters into your own hands, you have control of the situation.

Jurisprudence protects you from the backlash when you feel the need to take control.

 

[lumineth Realm Lord]

don't.

unless this person is going to try and hurt you or someone you know again it's best to turn the other cheek.
what you're asking for is essentially for the other person to get the karma you feel they deserve for what they have done to you. but the karma they will receive isn't determined or influenced by you at all and is ultimately decided by the universes will.

the healthiest thing for you to do is learn to live with the past and for the future. and eventually you'll find peace in any forgiveness you gain towards the individual.

What they did, they can do to the next person, or continue doing to me.