Book Discussion NAP Elubatel concerns

[Wannabewizard]

I bought the paperback New Avatar Power with a view to use it for healing the mind and body primarily, but need to fix everything practically for a regular (magical) life.

The spirit in question of concern to me regarding my concern is Elubatel. I gave it some thought after reading reviews over the net about it, and then it came to me. It's an egregore!
That's what makes it so hard to give up.
I am concerned about depression having been through this already, I dont really want that back.
My worldview is shifting, in that I can't change it, but I can change my world and my part in it. I am not here to save the world (christian viewpoint) but to engage with it. Or not

I have already been through much of the loss I could be afraid of losing that Elubatel may actually involve.

I already am forming my own take on this and have the horrific experiences to back it up. It will burst most people bubble about how the world really is, if they will hear it, but it is not about disaster.

I say it is a lot like a game I discovered recently, Kenshi.
You are nothing. You are no-one. You are not special. But the potential for greatness is there, if you persist.
If it's actually worth it all, well, that is something else.

The human condition is negative with the possibility to improve. The positive is largely forgotten. It only takes a little negative to seem massive.
So I would like to try out NAP, but have my concerns. It's as though I already have been exposed to Elubatel.
Any 'safety' tips?
I would be interested in your Elubatel experiences.

 

[Yazata]

According to the dictionary of Angels Elubatel is one of the 8 Angels of Omnipotence from the 6th and 7th Book of Moses.
I did the ritual from NAP with him once but got no result, also no bad things.

 

[HoldAll]

There is a book in the Library called "The Angels of Omnipotence", and while I'm unable to take the author seriously, he may have aggregated pertinent information from more serious sources so it may prove useful to you. Additionally, there's "Secret Angel Magic" by Adam Blackthorne/GoM, another 'pop magic' tome (but so is Geoffrey Gray-Cobb's NAP), where he combines the Angel of Omnipotence (incl. Elubatel) with Éliphas Lévi's genius spirits in order to make them more 'safe', so here's an answer to one of your questions right there.

Furthermore Blackthorne writes:

It might come as a shock to find that The Genius Spirits and The Angels of Omnipotence aren’t spirits in the usual sense. While they are real, conscious, and even have personalities (of sorts), and a strong sense of reality, all these spirits were crafted by people. They are servitors, conscious beings, threaded together by occultists to forge a direct connection to the greatest Angels and Archangels.

Blackthorne has a chaos magic background which is presumably why he came up with that servitor theory but pursuing a line of thinking similar to yours, I guess you could call them 'egregores' instead of 'servitors' - in one of his recent "Empowered" books, Damon Brand confesses that he thinks that ALL spirits are egregores, if I remember correctly, which would constitute one step away from the Spirit Model into the Direction of the Psychological Model.

In his NAP Geoffrey Gray-Cobb used all kinds of magical lore in a 'defanged' version, e.g. a truncated Bornless Rite, as well as some really obscure kabbalistic angels such as Zoroel and Sabriel. He still has his fans who maintain that all those cheesy success stories are a crucial part of his system of magic to be effective. If you think that some particular method he proposes is questionable, do some research and go to the sources. Being an Angel of Omnipotence, Elubatel is thought by many to be controversial while his money-making spirit Nitika continues to be popular. It's a mixed bag, NAP is.

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EDIT: I might have had Adam Blackthorne's revelation in mind when I wrote that Damon Brand thought all spirits were egregores. He seems convinced in all of his numerous books that angels objecitively exist as independent entities so I may have been wrong there.

 

[KjEno186]

I used NAP and the Chant to Bring Success which invokes Elubatel last year (2024). I would say that I have experienced a degree of success, but it came with some upheaval. Family circumstances required moving to a new town. I own an old hard copy of the book that I purchased online.

 

[volcaneo]

I am a few months late, but I want to let you know that NAP is completely safe in my experience. Quite good at healing too, may I add. I always felt energized after sessions. I recall one time I was set to get an agonizing sunburn all across my back, but just from the circulation rituals I didn't have to deal with that at all!
As for Elubatel, like the poster above I also attempted to invoke him for success and such. Unfortunately, no such luck, even in situations where the odds were quite in my favor Since posting this, how has your experiences with Elubatel changed?

 

[KjEno186]

Unfortunately, no such luck, even in situations where the odds were quite in my favor

This is just my take on the invocation of Elubatel, but I think it is a spirit which brings about change needed to create the conditions for one to succeed. To a lot of people, myself included, change feels like turmoil. I was certainly grumpy at times during the changes that were happening last year, but I did the work that I was responsible for and came through it. My material situation is better as a result now.

If you believe you have "favorable odds", then there are likely better spirits to work with such as the invocation of Labezerin "who has the power to bring good fortune". It is really hard to say what each person needs, and results can vary greatly. I'm of the opinion that many of the success stories in the NAP book involved people who had latent ability. Talented artists and musicians make it look easy, while the rest of us must practice. For example, the first time I picked up paints and brushes as a young adult, I didn't know if I had any ability at all. Time, study, and practice eventually brought some success indirectly related to my art. It may not always turn out exactly how one envisions things early on. Had I known of magick back then, it's quite possible my efforts would have met even greater success. The spirits work with what we have, though there are often things we "have" which we are not consciously aware.

 

[volcaneo]

This is just my take on the invocation of Elubatel, but I think it is a spirit which brings about change needed to create the conditions for one to succeed. To a lot of people, myself included, change feels like turmoil.

I believe in the chant you are specifically asking for whatever Elubatel feels is best for you in regards to achieving that goal. I interpreted that as: if it doesn't seem to work, perhaps the goal itself wasn't best for your life path. Some time ago, I did the chant for success daily as instructed to obtain a job I really wanted. I knew multiple people in the company and was even told by one of them that he was quite certain I'd get the role. Then, I didn't get hired! Soon afterwards, I moved to a better neighborhood and got an objectively nicer job. At the time of getting rejected, I felt like the chants didn't even work. In retrospect, not getting that job would have been best for me. You might not get what you want, but you'll get what is ultimately best for you. So, if you desire something that is not "best" for you, however that might mean, Elubatel probably won't cooperate.

As well, I do find your thoughts interesting. With visual art and music, one can argue no one is born with an artistic talent, and all skill is gained through practice. I am not sure if the same can be said with magick, but I think one point can still stand. That is, even if you get a fancy record label to publish your album or a world-renown gallery to display your paintings, you still won't get much success if you're not good at your craft. Practice is always the key.