Possible Telekinesis Theory

[Faaram]

Greetings, fellow wizards

Today I wanted to bring this topic to introduce a possible explanation for the telekinesis phenomena.

I wanted to propose that it is a accomplished through a projection of the etheric, or astral body. In this sense, it would similarly to Astral Projection in some way.

The reason for that, lies in a similarity I noticed in some methods of telekinesis, that seemed to be the most successful. Rather than focusing on chakras, they would focus on the visualization and the recreation of the feeling of moving things.

I'd like to add that this would not break the laws of physics, for it's contractiction of a current system of physics is only natural, as magic seems to deal with proper, different in the same way that thermodynamics is different from classical mechanics or nuclear theory, but nevertheless they are all true fields.

 

[Polarity]

focus on the visualization and the recreation of the feeling of moving things

I'm not sure if a theory can be created about anything in magic, although we can certainly have models which represent some sort of an explanation of paradigm or perspective on things. It's very difficult to definitely explain anything in this field. However the quote I chose from your message sounds crucial - in magic it's often better and more effective to work with this "active feeling" that just the visualization. By the act of willful feeling, you are actually moving things in the subtle realms (with your own subtle bodies), you interact with, and move the subtle matter and this can have an impact on the lower levels, manifesting as what we might call telekinesis (or psychokinesis).

When we willfully recreate the feeling and a sensation of extending our arm (for miles if necessary) to punch somebody, they will have a reaction to this. I don't mean to divert from the topic, I just felt there are many interconnected facets to this.

 

[Faaram]

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I'm not sure if a theory can be created about anything in magic, although we can certainly have models which represent some sort of an explanation of paradigm or perspective on things. It's very difficult to definitely explain anything in this field. However the quote I chose from your message sounds crucial - in magic it's often better and more effective to work with this "active feeling" that just the visualization. By the act of willful feeling, you are actually moving things in the subtle realms (with your own subtle bodies), you interact with, and move the subtle matter and this can have an impact on the lower levels, manifesting as what we might call telekinesis (or psychokinesis).

When we willfully recreate the feeling and a sensation of extending our arm (for miles if necessary) to punch somebody, they will have a reaction to this. I don't mean to divert from the topic, I just felt there are many interconnected facets to this.

Thanks for the addition, I agree with you that "model" would be a better term than "theory".
I'm curious about clairsentience being superior to clairvoyance in regards to influence, although it makes sense, I would like to ask you to elaborate on it, if possible. Nevertheless I think it's better to always try to use them both.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

From my understanding Telekinesis would be possible through communication between your causal self and the object in question, in exactly the same kind of way you communicate with your arm, telling it to raise, and it raises by your will.

The best theories, of course, are made by people who have actually accomplished the feat, which I haven't, so...

 

[Robert Ramsay]

From my research, telekinesis only applies to manipulation of information, and not the non-physical movement of physical objects. However, I also have no idea how poltergeists work

 

[Polarity]

Thanks for the addition, I agree with you that "model" would be a better term than "theory".
I'm curious about clairsentience being superior to clairvoyance in regards to influence, although it makes sense, I would like to ask you to elaborate on it, if possible. Nevertheless I think it's better to always try to use them both.

So, just for the sake of clarity, Google says that "clairsentience means clear feeling; a clairsentient person is able to tap into the emotional energy of others and receive a clear psychic message" and defines clairvoyance as "faculty of perceiving things or events in the future or beyond normal sensory contact." If we can agree on these definitions, I don't think either is above the other, but when you are visualizing without the inclusion of bodily sensation and willful feeling, in my view, you are affecting the mental substance and you are moving it with your mental body. When you actively feel, you are affecting the astral (or emotional) substance (which is denser that the one previously mentioned) and you are working with it with your astral body/layer.

I'd say that working with the "thicker" or denser substance brings faster and more intense results than working with a finer substance, which might be just as powerful, but works with a delay and takes longer to materialize or manifest.

I'd like to separate clairvoyance and clairsentience as passive, receptive faculties - from active faculties such as willful feeling and mental imagination. In simple terms, clairvoyance is when I'm walking down the street and I get a mental image of someone I'm about to run into in a couple of minutes and I know I'll meet them; clairsentience is when someone is directing a lot of hate at me, and I get the feeling in my aura and body that I'm being attacked, accompanied with an image of the hater (in the mind's eye), and the "vibe" of that person.

And yes, I agree that using mental visualization, feeling and bodily sensing at the same time is probably the best way to act as it aligns all our layers (subtle bodies) to a single action/purpose and works on multiple levels of density simultaneously.

 

[Faaram]

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So, just for the sake of clarity, Google says that "clairsentience means clear feeling; a clairsentient person is able to tap into the emotional energy of others and receive a clear psychic message" and defines clairvoyance as "faculty of perceiving things or events in the future or beyond normal sensory contact." If we can agree on these definitions, I don't think either is above the other, but when you are visualizing without the inclusion of bodily sensation and willful feeling, in my view, you are affecting the mental substance and you are moving it with your mental body. When you actively feel, you are affecting the astral (or emotional) substance (which is denser that the one previously mentioned) and you are working with it with your astral body/layer.

I'd say that working with the "thicker" or denser substance brings faster and more intense results than working with a finer substance, which might be just as powerful, but works with a delay and takes longer to materialize or manifest.

I'd like to separate clairvoyance and clairsentience as passive, receptive faculties - from active faculties such as willful feeling and mental imagination. In simple terms, clairvoyance is when I'm walking down the street and I get a mental image of someone I'm about to run into in a couple of minutes and I know I'll meet them; clairsentience is when someone is directing a lot of hate at me, and I get the feeling in my aura and body that I'm being attacked, accompanied with an image of the hater (in the mind's eye), and the "vibe" of that person.

And yes, I agree that using mental visualization, feeling and bodily sensing at the same time is probably the best way to act as it aligns all our layers (subtle bodies) to a single action/purpose and works on multiple levels of density simultaneously

could you please elaborate more on the difference of willful feeling and bodily sensation? I always took the two of the as being the same

 

[Polarity]

Sure. In lack of better terminology, willful feeling would be focusing on emotions or other finer substances outside of my physical body, in order to move or redirect them (towards the sender). So when I'm redirecting a hateful attack, I am sensing (with intent) the subtle substances with a part of my aura some 20 inches to a few feet away from my physical body (or even further, but it's still an extension of myself).

Recreating a bodily sense (as an active faculty, if we can call it that way) is for example, when I focus on the exact feeling of clenching a fist, making a bodily movement such as swinging to blow a punch, and I perform this "action" on a subtle level, while my physical body is still and unmoved, though it feels the same way as if I'd moved my entire body.

Also, there can be situations when I feel the 2 are overlapping and I can't strictly define with which part of myself I'm sensing/feeling or moving stuff. A wide range of other people's emotions can even be felt on skin, it can feel like a film or coating (can be smooth, pleasant, silky, sticky, nasty or dirty, depending on the emotion). Flattery can be felt as warm slippery (something). It's difficult to say for sure if I feel it on my skin, or if the sensation is in fact detected on the "surface" of one of the aura's layers, but it feels like sensing with the skin.

To further clarify this, there is a good exercise: focus on your skin and the way it feels stuff, and then keep and expand this feeling to a few feet away. After a while you'll sense subtler stuff as if you have a second skin on the surface of your aura.

 

[Mars]

Rather than focusing on chakras, they would focus on the visualization and the recreation of the feeling of moving things.

How did you came to this conclusion?

 

[Faaram]

How did you came to this conclusion?

I saw that the reports online of people who did that seemed to be more succesful, at least in short term. Why?

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Sure. In lack of better terminology, willful feeling would be focusing on emotions or other finer substances outside of my physical body, in order to move or redirect them (towards the sender). So when I'm redirecting a hateful attack, I am sensing (with intent) the subtle substances with a part of my aura some 20 inches to a few feet away from my physical body (or even further, but it's still an extension of myself).

Recreating a bodily sense (as an active faculty, if we can call it that way) is for example, when I focus on the exact feeling of clenching a fist, making a bodily movement such as swinging to blow a punch, and I perform this "action" on a subtle level, while my physical body is still and unmoved, though it feels the same way as if I'd moved my entire body.

Also, there can be situations when I feel the 2 are overlapping and I can't strictly define with which part of myself I'm sensing/feeling or moving stuff. A wide range of other people's emotions can even be felt on skin, it can feel like a film or coating (can be smooth, pleasant, silky, sticky, nasty or dirty, depending on the emotion). Flattery can be felt as warm slippery (something). It's difficult to say for sure if I feel it on my skin, or if the sensation is in fact detected on the "surface" of one of the aura's layers, but it feels like sensing with the skin.

To further clarify this, there is a good exercise: focus on your skin and the way it feels stuff, and then keep and expand this feeling to a few feet away. After a while you'll sense subtler stuff as if you have a second skin on the surface of your aura.

I see, so one would be about feelings/emotions and the other about movements? It's an interesting distinction, I never thought of it before. I'll pay more attention to the feeling of my skin

 

[Mars]

I saw that the reports online of people who did that seemed to be more succesful, at least in short term. Why?

Can you link me those please?

 

[Faaram]

Can you link me those please?

I think there was one of these post in this section of the forum. The other would come from 2 reddit users, the first being GodAIAn, and the other I can't recall right now

 

[whome]

a possible explanation for the telekinesis phenomena.

I am not that keen on explanations (explaining away?) unless they lead to experiments

I have had objects that disappeared with no one else in the house and then reappeared hours later in exactly the same place but that did not seem to be telekinesis.

I was once levitated several feet in the air and carefully replaced - but that seemed to be a nature spirit being playful. Fortunately I was put back in the same place as I was near the edge of the roof

 

[Asteriskos]

I have had objects that disappeared with no one else in the house and then reappeared hours later in exactly the same place but that did not seem to be telekinesis.

It isn't, in the world of parapsychology that phenomenon is referred to as an "apport", they're often accompanied by various other manifested poltergeist phenomena.

 

[whome]

n the world of parapsychology that phenomenon is referred to as an "apport", they're often accompanied by various other manifested poltergeist phenomena.

I tested for poltergeists in both cases and could not find any

 

[Asteriskos]

I tested for poltergeists in both cases and could not find any

How did you do that? I just Ask them what the heck they want! Apports are Not Dependent upon poltergeists, but poltergeists can and do
often employ the tactic, and perform them. Psychics have been know to perform them as well. Parapsychology has examples, It's Very well known. Perhaps there's a good parapsychology text in book shares. Punch up "Apport" or "apport" (without the quotes) in your favorite search engine. If it matches your experience it's an "apport", if it doesn't, well you may have something parapsychology would like to hear about? A phenomenon they haven't heard of? Worth a try!

 

[whome]

How did you do that?

Poltergeists are traditionally associated with young teenage females so I looked for those and there were none within 100 yards of the two houses where the disappearances occurred.

Then in each case I went back along the timeline to the time of the disappearances and entered the space looking for entities. In both cases I found none

Eventually it seemed that I moved between parallel timelines- while the objects remained exactly where they were, not a fraction of an inch out of place

When I look back to those two events, in both cases there were touching timelines