Qliphotic Practical magick?

[Fr. Maximagus]

I haven’t been able to find a whole lot on the practical side of working with the qliphot. What would be the application for that kind of work & how would one go about it?
I’d assume the qliphot would be better for “lower magick” as in getting physical things (Money, sex, etc)
But i really dont know much about it.

Is it mostly used for shadow work or do people use it for practical sorcery as well? Working with spirits?
Would love to hear yalls thoughts

 

[whoami]

hey, I'll be honest, I have no answers, haven't studied this much
but this is a very interesting question! I see a lot of theory, wondering about practical application/experience too

 

[HoldAll]

The only book I can think of is "Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic" by Thomas Karlsson (3 or 4 copies available on annas-archive.org). His Dragon Rouge order seems to consider the qliphoth as a path of self-transformation though, not a means to perform results magic.

 

[Morell]

Kabbalah is mystical system, I don't think that it was developed for practical magic. Though if you can use parts of Tree of Life for practical use, then you can use Tree of Death just the same.

 

[Nerone]

The way I've been taught it and for the time I've went through it, Qlippoth is primarily an oneiric practice that is meant to spark self-reflection and deepen self-knowledge by getting in touch with that primal part of yourself that resides in the Underworld - this happens primarily in the dreamscape, which may change drastically both in terms of vividness, duration, and violence and may bleed over into your waking life. Think of it in terms of Orpheus fetching Eurydice from Hell.

It's also an acclimatization of working with Chthonic currents. Getting a tan from the Black Sun, so to speak. Not a good time by any stretch of the imagination, but then again, it's not supposed to be if you got growth to do. I'm glad I did it, but it's not something I will do again any time soon.

I have not heard of it being utilized for practical go-get-shit-done purposes, nor would I see why one would use the Qlippoth in contrast to so many other systems of working with spirits

 

[Fr. Maximagus]

I have not heard of it being utilized for practical go-get-shit-done purposes, nor would I see why one would use the Qlippoth in contrast to so many other systems of working with spirits

Well I mean people use the sephiroth for working with spirits (planetary, deities, etc) so I figured it was similar just inverted essentially

 

[Nerone]

Well I mean people use the sephiroth for working with spirits (planetary, deities, etc) so I figured it was similar just inverted essentially

Yeah, the basic idea is that the Qlippoth is a map of the planetary spheres as they express themselves in the Underworld. Thomas Karlsson says as much in his "Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic". It's an interesting book.

Working with daemons is not the same as working with the Qlippoth though, just as working with the Archangels is not the same as working with the Sephirot.

You could use the Tree as a filing cabinet and call upon Archangel Michael, Och from the Arbatel, or any Solar deity to increase or decrease things pertaining to the Sun in your life, or you could call upon Archangel Michael specifically to initiate you through the sphere of Tipharet - one has to do with practical matters, the other is an immersion of your psyche into a particular aspect of reality; diving into a portal, so to speak.

I hope that makes sense