Thinking about ritual and the actual ritual

[Morell]

This is an issue that I'm not really sure how to manage. When I'm thinking about ritual I'm planning, and imagining it, it feels quite powerful and working. When i do the actual ritual alter, it feels nothing like that.
Would appreciate some ideas on how to have acltual work when I actually do the work, not only when I imagine it before I even do anything.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Thinking about ritual and the actual ritual
SUBTOPIC: Spiritual Consciousness and the Relationship to Ritual (1)
⁜→ Morell, et al,

(PREFACE)

In the outstretched of one's self into the hands of a supernatural entity, "ritual" (in order to be effective) has become a religious experience and a symbolic expression that captures the attention of a specific supernatural entity. It becomes the signature protocol that signals to the specific supernatural that a particular believer needs its attention, either in homage or help.

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This is an issue that I'm not really sure how to manage.

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(COMMENT)

"Manage" is probably NOT the proper perspective to hold in any aspect of dealing with (or in establishing an association with) a supernatural power. One must start the connection as a type of Pentecostal (a direct personal experience with the supernatural) reached through a specific spiritual practice. First, the recognition (the outreach to a specific supernatural), the homage (an offering, bidding, or prayer), and the promise of continuous praise (one's following and dedication). These are the essentials to establishing the initial relationship with the supernational.

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This is an issue that I'm not really sure how to manage. When I'm thinking about ritual I'm planning, and imagining it, it feels quite powerful and working. When i do the actual ritual alter, it feels nothing like that.

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(COMMENT)

The expression of one's outreach, offering, bidding, prayer, following, and dedication is the embryonic formation of the RITUAL. Outreach, prayer, and dedication expressed are the primary perspectives. These essentials may be practiced anywhere, anytime, and anyplace.

In addition to the 12 Olympian Gods/Goddesses, there are the deities that predate the Olympians. My favorite is the Goddess "Selene." The Goddess Selene is the sister of Eros (Goddess of the Dawn) and the sister of Helios (God of the Sun). The Goddess Selene has a direct association with the Aurora Borealis. The Goddess Selene has a romantic relationship with a mortal. The keys to pieces (like these) that compose the mosaic of the supernational complexion should form the foundation from which the outreach will expand.


Most Respectfully,
R

References

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✦ Ritual Magic Manual, Copyright © 1999, David Griffin, Published 1999, Golden Dawn Publishing, 270 North Canon Drive, Suite 1302
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
✦ Ritual Magic Manual, Copyright © 1999, David Griffin, Published 1999, Golden Dawn Publishing, 270 North Canon Drive, Suite 1302. ✦ Encyclopedia of Religion, Second Edition, Lindsay Jones, Editor in Chief, © 2005 Thomson Gale, a part of The Thomson Corporation,
27500 Drake Rd. Farmington, Hills, MI 48331-3535
✦ Dictionary of Religion and Philosophy, Copyright ®1989 by Geddes MacGregor, Published in the United States by Paragon House
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[Yazata]

When I'm thinking about ritual I'm planning, and imagining it, it feels quite powerful and working. When i do the actual ritual alter, it feels nothing like that

I know what you mean. The further in the future it is, the longer you will think about it, build it up in your mind "and then when I strike the bell there will be a lightning flash" etc. It's like the lust for result. Better to plan it in general, keep somethings open for improvisation, and really keep it within a week or so.
Else you are only setting yourself up for an incredible experience that won't meet your expectations. And then when you do the ritual, live it in the moment.

@RoccoR :
I'm not sure how any of what you wrote is an answer to the question.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Thinking about ritual and the actual ritual
SUBTOPIC: Spiritual Consciousness and the Relationship to Ritual (2)
⁜→ Yazata, et al,

@RoccoR :
I'm not sure how any of what you wrote is an answer to the question.

(COMMENT)

The very first key to outreach (before - offering, bidding, prayer, following, and dedication) is the establishment of a rapport with a supernatural being in a time when there is no crisis.

If the practitioner has no established rapport, then there is no reasonable expectation that any ritual will yield a positive outcome.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[beardedeldridge]

Yeah the problem is probably two fold.

One is what Yaz pointed out above.

The second part is that our brains don’t understand the difference between fantasy vs reality. Which can be a helpful tool but like anything can get in the way as well.

So by the time you’re getting to the operation, not only does it not match your imagination, your brain feels like it’s doing something it’s done a hundred times before, so it doesn’t produce the same chemical cocktail that it has been producing over and over again for weeks now.

-Eld

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The answer is don’t plan it too far in advance and more importantly don’t imagine you’re doing it. Do the pre-ritual prep and write down the structure, memorize the words/movements in more of a mechanical fashion but don’t imagine the actual operation and definitely don’t imagine the results.

“live it in the moment” - not just in your magical practice but in all parts of your life.

 

[MidnightProphet]

RE: Thinking about ritual and the actual ritual
SUBTOPIC: Spiritual Consciousness and the Relationship to Ritual (2)
⁜→ Yazata, et al,

(COMMENT)

The very first key to outreach (before - offering, bidding, prayer, following, and dedication) is the establishment of a rapport with a supernatural being in a time when there is no crisis.

If the practitioner has no established rapport, then there is no reasonable expectation that any ritual will yield a positive outcome.

Most Respectfully,
R

+1 this.

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[Robert Ramsay]

This is an issue that I'm not really sure how to manage. When I'm thinking about ritual I'm planning, and imagining it, it feels quite powerful and working. When i do the actual ritual alter, it feels nothing like that.
Would appreciate some ideas on how to have acltual work when I actually do the work, not only when I imagine it before I even do anything.

This is a very interesting question! I would say that, as you are performing the ritual, you should cast your mind back to when you were imagining it. Reimagine each step, full of numinousity, as you perform it. Try and build a mounting excitement and not skip ahead to further steps in your mind. Keep concentrating on the current step of the ritual, one step after another.

 

[Morell]

The answer is don’t plan it too far in advance and more importantly don’t imagine you’re doing it. Do the pre-ritual prep and write down the structure, memorize the words/movements in more of a mechanical fashion but don’t imagine the actual operation and definitely don’t imagine the results.

“live it in the moment” - not just in your magical practice but in all parts of your life.

I think this works as the best sollution.