Magic and Large amounts of Money

[Beyond Everything]

It's interesting how very scant are any examples of people using magic to get a lot of money. I mean using magic exclusively, not someone working very hard and supplementing that with magic that may or may not have worked.

The well-known (in Italy) esotericist Kremmerz was notorious for his casino wins using magic. He also made a lot of money in the stock market, but I do not know if that involved magic.

A Wiccan (!) said he utilized his practices to win a Mega Millions lottery- Bunky Bartlett.

That's it. I'm unaware of anyone else.

For myself, the largest windfall I got using my own internal magic (with no other work or effort on my part) was into 6 figures. I'm a pretty non-materialistic person with little interest in capitalistic baubles, so I haven't felt motivated to repeat the feat yet.

 

[PinealisGlandia]

Check out Timothy Schultz on youtube, he interviews lottery winners because he won the lottery after dreaming about it and seeks to understand how that happened. As long as you count prophecy and law of attraction as magick, pretty much everyone he's interviewed qualifies.

I haven't kept track of my biggest win. But my most significant win was when I paid rent off a free bet on the nickel slots. I was gonna be homeless in two days, then the fairies filled the screen and told me I could keep a roof over my head.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Check out Timothy Schultz on youtube, he interviews lottery winners because he won the lottery after dreaming about it and seeks to understand how that happened. As long as you count prophecy and law of attraction as magick, pretty much everyone he's interviewed qualifies.

Precognition I'm not counting to keep things clear, but LOA is definitely magic so it counts. I did forget someone- Helen Hadsell.

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Schultz's stuff seems to be a lot of people praying. But a huge % of people playing the lottery are praying, so I can't take this stuff too seriously.

 

[psichevoluzione]

It's interesting how very scant are any examples of people using magic to get a lot of money. I mean using magic exclusively, not someone working very hard and supplementing that with magic that may or may not have worked.

The well-known (in Italy) esotericist Kremmerz was notorious for his casino wins using magic. He also made a lot of money in the stock market, but I do not know if that involved magic.

A Wiccan (!) said he utilized his practices to win a Mega Millions lottery- Bunky Bartlett.

That's it. I'm unaware of anyone else.

For myself, the largest windfall I got using my own internal magic (with no other work or effort on my part) was into 6 figures. I'm a pretty non-materialistic person with little interest in capitalistic baubles, so I haven't felt motivated to repeat the feat yet.

Very interesting! Do you think people who are less materialistic naturally see fewer results in financial success, or is it more about focus and intention?

 

[Magus314]

I suspect it's something those who have actually had success with don't tend to advertise.

The most successful magician I've met admitted to me that he used magic to sway business deals and opportunities in his favor, but never boasted about it publicly and keeps to himself for the most part occasionally posting an article or writeup online.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Very interesting! Do you think people who are less materialistic naturally see fewer results in financial success, or is it more about focus and intention?

Why are they less materialistic? What's going on in their 'subconscious'? What did they imbibe in their childhood as far as beliefs and associations? What energy factors are at work? Are they riding the wave of an egregore that is otherwise exploiting them in subtle spiritual ways? How much 'spiritual' juice are they bringing to the table. There's actually an abundance of factors. And then, sometimes pure focus and intention does cut through all of that, too.

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I suspect it's something those who have actually had success with don't tend to advertise.

Well it's an obscure, anonymous forum, so what difference does it make if people report their results?

The most successful magician I've met admitted to me that he used magic to sway business deals and opportunities in his favor, but never boasted about it publicly and keeps to himself for the most part occasionally posting an article or writeup online.

I'm kind of a purist with assessing such things. That's why I like results where things fall into the person's lap, because I do know people's mundane behavior can change with mere belief in something, and that alone can lead to success sometimes.

 

[Faria]

It's interesting how very scant are any examples of people using magic to get a lot of money.

I can attribute this to 3 things.

1. Incompetence. Almost everyone interested in magic on a surface level, and at least half or more of the people who read 5-10 books, have no idea how to actually "do" anything magical. They go by feelings and imaginings, and have no comprehension of what goes into the technical side of rituals and spells. It's wishing on candles with a picture of some deity they don't really believe in.

2. Lack of Imagination. Can you imagine a way that you could get rich, besides ways that "anyone" can get rich? Yeah, lotteries and gambling are available, so are stocks, Forex, etc. but if those are the extent of ways you can imagine yourself becoming wealthy.... that's probably why you need the money already.

3. Lack of Motivation. Following from #2, if a person has a reasonably good idea about how to make money, there's always something you need to do to make it work. I don't mean regular business that lets you attribute regular success to magic, but if you are wanting magic to come through on some particular issue, you've got to be there with it when it arrives.

Three ways I've used magic to get six-figure gains:

In my first years of adulthood, I made a voodoo doll of an apparently healthy relative who I didn't know well or care about, and nailed it to train tracks following an invocation of Azrael. He went to the hospital a couple of days later and died at 51 that same month from pneumonia. I bought a home and lived without work for ten years as a result, spent the entire time doing pretty much nothing but Goetia. During that ten years, a conjured spirit revealed a significant treasure. Once again we moved, and I took up a new career in luxuries. A few years into that new career, everyone else involved was getting into serious legal trouble. I conjured for an escape, and got an opportunity to make a couple of large deals without the other people involved. After that I moved off to a little island where my neighbor was the Thelemite who won MegaMillions.

I am not rich, probably closer to being poor actually, but I've managed to make my life tolerably comfortable by spreading out big gains over years and years of patient near-poor status. I've had plenty of time to raise my six children, enjoy my hobbies, travel the world, and do things I could never have done without conjuring for more money. I encourage everyone to try to obtain from magic the kind of material comforts you think you'd like to have, without much concern over whether that qualifies as Big Money.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Precognition I'm not counting to keep things clear

Precognition is as much magic as anything else - see the discussion about divination vs enchantment in the other thread.

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I encourage everyone to try to obtain from magic the kind of material comforts you think you'd like to have, without much concern over whether that qualifies as Big Money.

This is the important bit. Is your True Will to have money, or is it for things that money can help you have? And do you really need ridiculous amounts of money, or will a smaller amount do fine?

 

[MorganBlack]

Good topic. I dislike that I still think in term of probability so I have mainly use sorcery (and Law of Attraction) to optimize the life I want. LOA says the seeming scale of your objective does not matter, but in my head it still does. I probably should work on that. Money and bonbons don't interest me much either - too much of a mystic underneath my evil exterior - but I really do love my work.

But if it were not for the daimons I would have probably lived as a starving artist working for a health food store in total misery. Not done yet, but I got to do what I wanted and live the life I wanted, working in creative fields that interest me, game development, film VFX, and tech in exciting cities, and having experiences wanted. I made enough money there not to work for the past decade in comfort, and focus on creative business pursuits and passion projects. The company I am starting now is something I would still be doing even with all the money in the world.

That said, I am missing about $3 million US because I did not do what the daimons one time insisted I do, but whatever. Live and learn.

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(and Law of Attraction)

Edit. Pardon. ...and Law of Assumption. Law of Attraction is really a different critter with too much noise, imho.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

This is the important bit. Is your True Will to have money, or is it for things that money can help you have? And do you really need ridiculous amounts of money, or will a smaller amount do fine?

There is another question underneath that people forget to seek answer. Who are you with ridiculous amounts of money and who are you with no money at all. Are you really want to be that rich person? If one can't and is willing to identify with the person who is having large amounts of money, doing magic for it is not bringing a person a lot of money.

 

[Swampdweller900]

For using clairvoyance, there are people that use a specific system of remote viewing to predict up/down movements in stocks or currency movements. One group claims to have "made dozens of millionaires" and while I only trust two of the people there, I'm a bit skeptical.

I've worked on remote viewing projects that correctly called plenty of sporting events, but it always seemed like as soon as any of us would put money down, the prediction would end up not just being wrong, but a strong, amazingly wrong prediction.

Though, I also see money as a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. Having lots of money doesn't solve all problems - I've been up and I've been down in my life, and stress didn't check my bank account before showing up. Chasing money is very often a short path to guaranteed stress. Eliminate the middle man and use magic to solve the problems and sources of stress first.

 

[futureshop]

I think it’s a combination of things. Divine timing, manifestation and magick. When I was broke and couldn’t find work and had literally no idea what I was going to do I won a lottery. And it was the exact amount that I had always had in my head as a lump sum amount that I wanted. Not millions or even hundred of thousands but it was an amount that I had seen others run into and I could envision for myself. I needed the money, I manifested the amount, then I went and did some magick and without expecting to win the money just having faith my situation would work out, I won. Now I’m manifesting another amount but who knows when that will happen. I don’t think you can just do magick and expect it. It usually happens but on which ever god/energy you worships terms.

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God bless

 

[SeekerPS]

I'm working on this. you can check my journal. Nothing fancy atm. I think it will be hilarious here when i have success

 

[MorganBlack]

I have no hard answer here. Just musing.

It may be - just maybe - that we should stop thinking only in terms of probability, and reengage with the older Enchanted Worldview. That 'classic' view was tied up with religious ideas, so that's why we jettisoned it back during the Scientific Enlightenment.

The probability model is not terrible, but is incomplete in ways that limits us- and is largely used due to the outsized influence of the 'scientific thinking' of the English-speaking occult revival, then later of Chaos Magicians like Peter Carroll, and researchers like Dean Radin. (Whom I Iike just fine, but mostly are for tentative newbies to get up the gumption and try to do "impossible things" for once. ) Perhaps we need to allow more of the older religious world’s 'crazy' and 'unscientific' ideas back in to make room for 'miracles' and 'wonders?' But there are other ways too. Other stories.

 

[Firetree]

Is $ 230,000 a 'large amount of money ' ?

But here is the thing . How do I know if I would have got it anyway without doing magick ?

I would have to go back in time and re do things without the magick and see if I still got the money and remember both 'time lines' and compare results . Which of course is impossible .

- then again, maybe it was a fail ? ( as I was supposed to get $ 600,000 ) .

 

[hhutton]

I have no hard answer here. Just musing.

It may be - just maybe - that we should stop thinking only in terms of probability, and reengage with the older Enchanted Worldview. That 'classic' view was tied up with religious ideas, so that's why we jettisoned it back during the Scientific Enlightenment.

The probability model is not terrible, but is incomplete in ways that limits us- and is largely used due to the outsized influence of the 'scientific thinking' of the English-speaking occult revival, then later of Chaos Magicians like Peter Carroll, and researchers like Dean Radin. (Whom I Iike just fine, but mostly are for tentative newbies to get up the gumption and try to do "impossible things" for once. ) Perhaps we need to allow more of the older religious world’s 'crazy' and 'unscientific' ideas back in to make room for 'miracles' and 'wonders?' But there are other ways too. Other stories.

I really appreciate this sentiment. I have thought about this as well. I was taking a class on Jupiter magic and the teacher's view was that magic was only going to make about 10% difference so you must be more practical with your petitions/intentions.

While I do think there is benefit to contemplating what magic along with practical action would get the most results, (I envision it like a chess game with myself lol) I did struggle with that limiting worldview. I tend to be all or nothing as well....so I'm sure that was a part of my distaste lol. I am still exploring and reading a lot of the older sources like the book of sacred magic for example, it all sounds impossible, and yet...I do wonder what we could achieve with a bit more suspension of disbelief.

 

[psichevoluzione]

Money is an energy. Without identifying with it, no magical practice can really attract it.