[Opinion] When is the asceticism "good enough" for you?

[Nagaram]

Very common step in a lot of magick is to be as ascetic as possible. This is fasting from various pleasures such as meat, sex, and even water in some cases.

The point seems to be as prep for an altered state of mind. Not shocking that the edges of hunger induced delirium will let us more easily transition into an elevated altered state, but this is kinda dangerous.

Do you have any limits on how long you will fast before a ritual? Or do you just regularly fast a little bit so that a mild but constant state can be maintained?

Further, are there any non-social dangers to something like sexual abstinence? That seems to work by causing some sort of hormonal imbalance to get us closer towards an altered state, but doesn't seem to risk delirium.

What kind of fasting is the most important in your practice? Just meat fasting and dedicated veganism? or is Vegetarian enough?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I don't bother with any of that stuff, and I'm good with that. "A puritan is someone who gets a guilty pleasure out of denying themselves something" + Ambrose Bierce

 

[Nagaram]

I don't bother with any of that stuff, and I'm good with that. "A puritan is someone who gets a guilty pleasure out of denying themselves something" + Ambrose Bierce

I'm a fan of occasionally fasting for stoic and health reasons.

But consistent puritan denialism is how you become a hateful soul in my opinion.

"I am suffering by choice and you should be suffering by force"

Which is a plague on American society at least.

 

[fluffy]

I do asceticism to still my awareness. I do some other things too (meditation).

 

[Mila kano]

Very common step in a lot of magick is to be as ascetic as possible. This is fasting from various pleasures such as meat, sex, and even water in some cases.

The point seems to be as prep for an altered state of mind. Not shocking that the edges of hunger induced delirium will let us more easily transition into an elevated altered state, but this is kinda dangerous.

Do you have any limits on how long you will fast before a ritual? Or do you just regularly fast a little bit so that a mild but constant state can be maintained?

Further, are there any non-social dangers to something like sexual abstinence? That seems to work by causing some sort of hormonal imbalance to get us closer towards an altered state, but doesn't seem to risk delirium.

What kind of fasting is the most important in your practice? Just meat fasting and dedicated veganism? or is Vegetarian enough?

This is an incredibly insightful and grounded breakdown of the physiological mechanics behind ascetic practices, rightly pointing out the fine line between spiritual preparation and physical danger.

 

[fluffy]

This is an incredibly insightful and grounded breakdown of the physiological mechanics behind ascetic practices, rightly pointing out the fine line between spiritual preparation and physical danger.

You people are being unreasonable about "physical danger" here. A day without food makes for an excellent meditation enhancer and never hurt anybody (unless they were suffering from a disease already).

 

[Abdulwahid]

Very common step in a lot of magick is to be as ascetic as possible. This is fasting from various pleasures such as meat, sex, and even water in some cases.

The point seems to be as prep for an altered state of mind. Not shocking that the edges of hunger induced delirium will let us more easily transition into an elevated altered state, but this is kinda dangerous.

Do you have any limits on how long you will fast before a ritual? Or do you just regularly fast a little bit so that a mild but constant state can be maintained?

Further, are there any non-social dangers to something like sexual abstinence? That seems to work by causing some sort of hormonal imbalance to get us closer towards an altered state, but doesn't seem to risk delirium.

What kind of fasting is the most important in your practice? Just meat fasting and dedicated veganism? or is Vegetarian enough?

Those with the greatest magical ability received it from The Source of Power, usually as a result of their pursuit of communion with that Source. Living ascetically is congruent with life on the path to Union with The Source of Life, and all Power.
Most Magick is trying to get the results by copying certain rituals and correspondences, like asceticism, to manufacture a result.
The Source of Power, has revealed information on Fasting, Sex, and Meat, vegetarianism. So you could reference them. or just trust your grimoire, or others who got the result you want.

 

[Amadeus]

Do you have any limits on how long you will fast before a ritual? Or do you just regularly fast a little bit so that a mild but constant state can be maintained?

I have been following 2 simple meals a day system, first meal at 7-8am, 2nd between 11:30-2pm. This is great for doing practices and it also keeps the weight under control.
Porridge, buckwheat, soup, eggs, noodles. With something fresh in there, maybe cucumbers, tomatoes.
It's a simple and good method.
I can't remember full mode fasting ever doing anything good.

 

[aecion]

Asceticism has its place in philosophy. In my opinion it is highly depended on the person and the effects are subjective.

 

[fluffy]

Those with the greatest magical ability received it from The Source of Power, usually as a result of their pursuit of communion with that Source. Living ascetically is congruent with life on the path to Union with The Source of Life, and all Power.
Most Magick is trying to get the results by copying certain rituals and correspondences, like asceticism, to manufacture a result.
The Source of Power, has revealed information on Fasting, Sex, and Meat, vegetarianism. So you could reference them. or just trust your grimoire, or others who got the result you want.

My magic ability stems from my seeing. Meditation enlarges my seeing. Certain ascetic practices enhance my meditation. In short, ascetic practices plus meditation gets me higher than just meditation alone.