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What is your opinion about dybbuks or other spirits?

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In Jewish folklore, a
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is a spirit that cannot find rest because of some unfinished business in a former life.
The stories, which concern death, guilt and grief, often involve rabbis and rituals to resolve the spirit's problems.
Here is a short moment from the movie "A Serious Man" (2009).


What is your opinion about these spirits or any other spirits out there?
 

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In Jewish folklore, a
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is a spirit that cannot find rest because of some unfinished business in a former life.
The stories, which concern death, guilt and grief, often involve rabbis and rituals to resolve the spirit's problems.
Here is a short moment from the movie "A Serious Man" (2009).


What is your opinion about these spirits or any other spirits out there?

I personally think that dybbuks are the spiritual representation of a soul which has a lot of ties to the material world and also a lot of negative energy around it. Like how it is said in Neo-Platonism that having way too much worldly attachments and physical passion can hinder one's ascension to the higher spiritual realms.

If one takes a deeper look, there are also other spirits equal to dybbuks, but never less evil like the Preta - spirits in Hindu mythology associated with humans who died while having unfulfilled desires, sudden trauma or improper funeral rites, or Gonryo and Onryo - Japanese Shinto vengeful ghosts of humans who died in anger and betrayal, and although they are known to appear mostly as spectral apparitions, it is important to know that they are notoriously known for possessing living people to inflict sickness, madness or enact revenge on those who wronged them.

Spirits like this are, as it can be seen tied to the infernal and dark currents, as in Jewish mysticism such impurities of the human that became a dybbuk can be attributed to the Shedim and Mazzikin, primordial demons created before the first Sabbath.

Astrologically speaking, these types of spirits are an amalgamation of dark planetary aspects and I will break them down further here:

  1. Pluto (as archetype of possession) - This energetic aspect is evident as Pluto governs the underworld, decay, obsession, and the process of putrefaction (pretty logical for a planet surrounding all things related to death). The energy of dybbuks is raw-Plutonian as their souls refuse to cross the river Styx and prefer to violently merge their consciousness into a living host to survive.
  2. Saturn (in its aspect of the Cosmic Binder) - Saturn rules over density, prisons, karma and the concept of time itself (remember Saturn eating his children, the allegory of time consuming everything). This aspect is relevant in the case of the dybbuk as it represents a soul bound to the earthly plane due to sins or unfulfilled destiny. Based on that, Saturnian energy manifests as the cold, heavy and paralyzing physical sensations that is described during possessions.
  3. Lilith (the Dark Moon against Yesod) - In astrology Lilith represents the repressed, chaotic and vengeful subconscious and ruling over entities that refuse to submit to the cosmic order (she is known as the bride of Samael, a fallen angel who rebelled against God's merciful order and represents the merciless aspect which is unbalanced Gevurah after all). In the context of dybbuks, they thrive and operate on the Black Moon Lilith energy as they are driven by raw and unresolved trauma and spite.
  4. Rahu (North Node in Vedic Astrology) - Rahu is envisioned as a shadow planet representing all that is excess like insatiable worldly desire, illusion and even phantoms. Since Rahu energy causes souls to obsess over earthly pleasure to the devastating point of such pleasures blinding the soul from its ascension to the higher realms (either alive through meditation or after death), the soul cannot longer experience such excess unless it possesses a living body

It is also important to also know when do those spirits manifest as they draw upon various hidden points in one's chart. Those points are mainly found in the following houses: the 8th house aka "The Veil of Death" and the 12th house aka "The Astral Prison".

Normally, the 8th house can be positive as it rules over the occult and the literal transition of the soul. In a negative context though, it also rules over cries and trauma and this, as in having an afflicted 8th house, it can result in you being susceptible to being chosen by a wandering human spirit. Anneliese Michel, the woman who further became inspiration for the movie "Exorcism of Emily Rose" had Uranus, the planet of sudden changes, in her 8th house, standing for the sudden, violent and shocking disruptions in her psyche. Her Black Moon Lilith was at the exact degree of opposition to Uranus in her 8th house and Neptune, the ruler of her 8th house was in a heavily afflicted aspect on the Ascendant-Descendant axis with a heavy and direct opposition to Venus, leading to a total dissolution of Anneliese's medical psychosis and epilepsy with external spiritual manipulation.

Other notable cases that can be mentioned here are Roland Doe (inspiration for the Exorcist) and Clara Germana Cale.

Other placements that you should watch out for when talking about dybbuks:

  1. Pluto (depth and intensity) conjunct with Moon (instincts, the psyche) - An instant placement for emotional and psychological vulnerability; the subconscious mind is cracked open in this state
  2. Saturn Square Neptune: The dissolution of any spiritual boundaries whatsoever (ruled by Neptune) met with the brutal, heavy and terrifying reality of Saturn allow astral parasites to break through.
  3. The South Node (Ketu) Afflictions: If the South Node (Ketu) is afflicted, signifying a heavy baggage and karmic load related to one's past lives, it will essentially act as a cosmic drain pipe, letting ancestral or wondering dead attach themselves to the living.
Based on this, we can clearly deduce that we need to stay away from excess, both spiritually and physically. The dybbuk are both dangerous but also a spiritually living testament on how obsessions, unresolved trauma, anger and hate can corrupt one's soul painfully deep.
 

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I personally think that dybbuks are the spiritual representation of a soul which has a lot of ties to the material world and also a lot of negative energy around it. Like how it is said in Neo-Platonism that having way too much worldly attachments and physical passion can hinder one's ascension to the higher spiritual realms.

If one takes a deeper look, there are also other spirits equal to dybbuks, but never less evil like the Preta - spirits in Hindu mythology associated with humans who died while having unfulfilled desires, sudden trauma or improper funeral rites, or Gonryo and Onryo - Japanese Shinto vengeful ghosts of humans who died in anger and betrayal, and although they are known to appear mostly as spectral apparitions, it is important to know that they are notoriously known for possessing living people to inflict sickness, madness or enact revenge on those who wronged them.

Spirits like this are, as it can be seen tied to the infernal and dark currents, as in Jewish mysticism such impurities of the human that became a dybbuk can be attributed to the Shedim and Mazzikin, primordial demons created before the first Sabbath.

Astrologically speaking, these types of spirits are an amalgamation of dark planetary aspects and I will break them down further here:

  1. Pluto (as archetype of possession) - This energetic aspect is evident as Pluto governs the underworld, decay, obsession, and the process of putrefaction (pretty logical for a planet surrounding all things related to death). The energy of dybbuks is raw-Plutonian as their souls refuse to cross the river Styx and prefer to violently merge their consciousness into a living host to survive.
  2. Saturn (in its aspect of the Cosmic Binder) - Saturn rules over density, prisons, karma and the concept of time itself (remember Saturn eating his children, the allegory of time consuming everything). This aspect is relevant in the case of the dybbuk as it represents a soul bound to the earthly plane due to sins or unfulfilled destiny. Based on that, Saturnian energy manifests as the cold, heavy and paralyzing physical sensations that is described during possessions.
  3. Lilith (the Dark Moon against Yesod) - In astrology Lilith represents the repressed, chaotic and vengeful subconscious and ruling over entities that refuse to submit to the cosmic order (she is known as the bride of Samael, a fallen angel who rebelled against God's merciful order and represents the merciless aspect which is unbalanced Gevurah after all). In the context of dybbuks, they thrive and operate on the Black Moon Lilith energy as they are driven by raw and unresolved trauma and spite.
  4. Rahu (North Node in Vedic Astrology) - Rahu is envisioned as a shadow planet representing all that is excess like insatiable worldly desire, illusion and even phantoms. Since Rahu energy causes souls to obsess over earthly pleasure to the devastating point of such pleasures blinding the soul from its ascension to the higher realms (either alive through meditation or after death), the soul cannot longer experience such excess unless it possesses a living body

It is also important to also know when do those spirits manifest as they draw upon various hidden points in one's chart. Those points are mainly found in the following houses: the 8th house aka "The Veil of Death" and the 12th house aka "The Astral Prison".

Normally, the 8th house can be positive as it rules over the occult and the literal transition of the soul. In a negative context though, it also rules over cries and trauma and this, as in having an afflicted 8th house, it can result in you being susceptible to being chosen by a wandering human spirit. Anneliese Michel, the woman who further became inspiration for the movie "Exorcism of Emily Rose" had Uranus, the planet of sudden changes, in her 8th house, standing for the sudden, violent and shocking disruptions in her psyche. Her Black Moon Lilith was at the exact degree of opposition to Uranus in her 8th house and Neptune, the ruler of her 8th house was in a heavily afflicted aspect on the Ascendant-Descendant axis with a heavy and direct opposition to Venus, leading to a total dissolution of Anneliese's medical psychosis and epilepsy with external spiritual manipulation.

Other notable cases that can be mentioned here are Roland Doe (inspiration for the Exorcist) and Clara Germana Cale.

Other placements that you should watch out for when talking about dybbuks:

  1. Pluto (depth and intensity) conjunct with Moon (instincts, the psyche) - An instant placement for emotional and psychological vulnerability; the subconscious mind is cracked open in this state
  2. Saturn Square Neptune: The dissolution of any spiritual boundaries whatsoever (ruled by Neptune) met with the brutal, heavy and terrifying reality of Saturn allow astral parasites to break through.
  3. The South Node (Ketu) Afflictions: If the South Node (Ketu) is afflicted, signifying a heavy baggage and karmic load related to one's past lives, it will essentially act as a cosmic drain pipe, letting ancestral or wondering dead attach themselves to the living.
Based on this, we can clearly deduce that we need to stay away from excess, both spiritually and physically. The dybbuk are both dangerous but also a spiritually living testament on how obsessions, unresolved trauma, anger and hate can corrupt one's soul painfully deep.
Your analysis is very interesting.
The idea that trauma, lust, or guilt may keep a soul from moving on is accepted by many religions.
Ghosts like these, seem to be powerful symbols for the things we find hard to let go of, even if we don't take them very seriously.
Do you think empathy and forgiveness are more likely to help with a person's change than exorcism?
 

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If giving the spirit empathy and forgiveness causes it to be released and move on to whatever comes after for it, then it's still an exorcism. People have a tendency to get caught-up in the pageantry of the more formalised and religious exorcisms, but they're just one facet of it.
 

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Your analysis is very interesting.
The idea that trauma, lust, or guilt may keep a soul from moving on is accepted by many religions.
Ghosts like these, seem to be powerful symbols for the things we find hard to let go of, even if we don't take them very seriously.
Do you think empathy and forgiveness are more likely to help with a person's change than exorcism?

Empathy and forgiveness can certainly help with person's change than exorcism. That is why it is important to pray for those who departed from us. A lot of religions promote praying to God himself, or some other benevolent forces and psychopomps.

Psychopomps stand as the Deities, Angels and Spirits with the role of guiding the dead to a better place.

Some good and benevolent psychopomps that are known across cultures are:

1. Hermes and Thanatos (they act as psychopomps and represent peaceful death, additionally the transition of it to a peaceful death)
2. Hades (under the Euboleus (Good Counselor) and Clymenus (The Renowned)) epithets - for peaceful transition in the afterlife. He is also the patron of proper burial rites.
3. Archangel Azrael - The calm messenger of God who also comforts the living after suffering grief and suffering and acts as a guide so that the dead do not get lost in the afterlife.

Their role is to guide the souls after death to a better place and have said souls mend their ways even if they couldn't do it in the physical life they lived.

That is also what the role of Light Bearer means. It's not just for knowledge, but also the ability to distribute such knowledge for others, sharing the bit of Divine Light so that the souls are guided. That was Lucifer's role in the past before he fell out of rebellion.
 

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Empathy and forgiveness can certainly help with person's change than exorcism. That is why it is important to pray for those who departed from us. A lot of religions promote praying to God himself, or some other benevolent forces and psychopomps.

Psychopomps stand as the Deities, Angels and Spirits with the role of guiding the dead to a better place.

Some good and benevolent psychopomps that are known across cultures are:

1. Hermes and Thanatos (they act as psychopomps and represent peaceful death, additionally the transition of it to a peaceful death)
2. Hades (under the Euboleus (Good Counselor) and Clymenus (The Renowned)) epithets - for peaceful transition in the afterlife. He is also the patron of proper burial rites.
3. Archangel Azrael - The calm messenger of God who also comforts the living after suffering grief and suffering and acts as a guide so that the dead do not get lost in the afterlife.

Their role is to guide the souls after death to a better place and have said souls mend their ways even if they couldn't do it in the physical life they lived.

That is also what the role of Light Bearer means. It's not just for knowledge, but also the ability to distribute such knowledge for others, sharing the bit of Divine Light so that the souls are guided. That was Lucifer's role in the past before he fell out of rebellion.
I find the idea of psychopomps, or that spirits can still be guided and helped after they die, very comforting.
I also agree with that definition of the light bearer. // It is someone who sends along heavenly wisdom to help other people.
That part seems clear enough.
But the destiny question is different. A persons fate might be set by what they did while alive. Or maybe souls can still change once they are dead.
I am not totally sure how that works exactly. Some people see it one way but it feels like it could go either way.
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If giving the spirit empathy and forgiveness causes it to be released and move on to whatever comes after for it, then it's still an exorcism. People have a tendency to get caught-up in the pageantry of the more formalised and religious exorcisms, but they're just one facet of it.
I always thought of exorcism as getting rid of the spirit by force. That is what I thought before.
But this take on it feels different.
Forgiveness and empathy might actually help the spirit move on.
It could be more important to let it go than to overcome it. In some instances, it appears to make sense.
But I am not quite certain how it all fits together.
 
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