Extraterrestrials

[kusuri]

Just making a thread on the subject.

I think I will go ahead and make some book forum posts for methods too.

Was curious if anyone else here has attempted CE5 contact or work with aliens?

In my experience the greys seem indifferent to humans which kind of made me feel uneasy. I am totally fine right now, but noticed a lot of dreamilke experiences after attempting contact. This has not stopped me... it just feels like they are very indifferent to how we 'feel'.

I have worked a lot with angels and demons and all sorts of Kami, Godforms, Buddhas, Bodhisattva, Yokai etc.. but these just seem different to me. I tried to do a forum search with little result.

 

[oregano]

i observe this strange sort of tension between worldviews when it comes to the subject of aliens

it makes sense to me that one can do a sort of deity yoga and experience gnosis originating from a deity as a kind of archetypical being existing outside of time

but surely the label "extraterrestrial" implies physically existing on another planet, inside of time, no?

yet i always see people treating it in the same way they would working with a deity or spirit

it's confusing

 

[kusuri]

Word. I was mostly using that term as a catch all. We honestly do not know the origin of these beings. They could be simply from another dimension or something else entirely.

 

[Eldros]

People are sending signals into space, hoping to make contact with someone out there.
But the distances are just so huge. Even if intelligent life exists, \and I think it probably does, because we’re here too -the chances of actually making contact in our lifetime are pretty small.
We’re just sending messages into the dark and hoping someone hears them someday...

 

[nunaphael]

This is actually a topic that really interests me, and the crossover with occult practice seems like a gunshot from heaven waiting to go off. If someone other than Greer came out with a complete system integrating the two into one paradigm, it seems like that'd be a bestseller for sure. The current era being so materialistic, it may be necessary to somehow develop an entirely new occult paradigm that suits the post-modern ecology of energy we are presently living in. I have been thinking a lot lately that trying to resurrect ancient, fragmented traditions that had a time and a place where they were living systems, not reconstructions, is okay if you're just looking for anchors or foundations to build on, but they might not be appropriate anymore, in the sense that they are too dissociated from the way the world is now.

I would really like to be exposed to a whole new current that combines the extraterrestrial current with the occult revival current and synthesizes them into something practical and more adapted to the present time we live in. For example, I would love to see more higher mathematics integrated into occult grimoires being published. I would choke on my coffee and die if I were to see an occult grimoire novelist ever mention the Yoneda Lemma or start talking about Alexander Grothendieck in conjunction with Topos Theory or Category Theory, and then segue into Qliphotic initiation rituals or something. Imagine that shit. Honestly, maybe I should just write it myself someday if nobody else has or ever does. I have a lot of ideas about extraterrestrials and algebraic geometry that link right up with some of the stuff I've read about in LHP grimoires and books.

 

[oregano]

This is actually a topic that really interests me, and the crossover with occult practice seems like a gunshot from heaven waiting to go off. If someone other than Greer came out with a complete system integrating the two into one paradigm, it seems like that'd be a bestseller for sure. The current era being so materialistic, it may be necessary to somehow develop an entirely new occult paradigm that suits the post-modern ecology of energy we are presently living in. I have been thinking a lot lately that trying to resurrect ancient, fragmented traditions that had a time and a place where they were living systems, not reconstructions, is okay if you're just looking for anchors or foundations to build on, but they might not be appropriate anymore, in the sense that they are too dissociated from the way the world is now.

I would really like to be exposed to a whole new current that combines the extraterrestrial current with the occult revival current and synthesizes them into something practical and more adapted to the present time we live in. For example, I would love to see more higher mathematics integrated into occult grimoires being published. I would choke on my coffee and die if I were to see an occult grimoire novelist ever mention the Yoneda Lemma or start talking about Alexander Grothendieck in conjunction with Topos Theory or Category Theory, and then segue into Qliphotic initiation rituals or something. Imagine that shit. Honestly, maybe I should just write it myself someday if nobody else has or ever does. I have a lot of ideas about extraterrestrials and algebraic geometry that link right up with some of the stuff I've read about in LHP grimoires and books.

sounds like you'd be interested in what I'm working on. not quite ready to share too much but when i do share this will likely be one of the places i post in

suffice to say i think category theory is the first branch of mathematics equipped to deal with spiritual matters, and yes the Yoneda lemma is a directly relevant result

basically because it deals with relationships between objects rather than properties internal to objects, and because the Yoneda lemma shows that these relationships are sufficient to know what an object "is", category theory provides a means of studying how the whole is wholly present in the part, and not just in part

 

[TGalen]

i observe this strange sort of tension between worldviews when it comes to the subject of aliens

it makes sense to me that one can do a sort of deity yoga and experience gnosis originating from a deity as a kind of archetypical being existing outside of time

but surely the label "extraterrestrial" implies physically existing on another planet, inside of time, no?

yet i always see people treating it in the same way they would working with a deity or spirit

it's confusing

it's because there's this crossover type zone between extra-terrestrials and ultra-terrestrials in the genre (aliens), and ultraterrestrials in the lore are often associated with spirits and spirit-like behavior. Besides John Keel talking all about this (how aliens aren't what they seem, i.e. 'little green men from mars' or anywhere else quite literally), we have Crowley's LAM, and beyond that, there have been some occult/magical investigations into the men in black (the 'real ones', not the feds in suits types), Ingrid Cold, and the use of the NAEQ6 cypher, but this was some decades ago and i'm not sure if that cypher is relevant any longer.

 

[CyanTheRedPanda]

and the use of the NAEQ6 cypher, but this was some decades ago and i'm not sure if that cypher is relevant any longer.

What's the NAEQ6 cypher?

 

[Swampdweller900]

@kusuri I know the CE5 process, and I've channeled before. They're the same process. I wouldn't touch CE5 with a 20 meter cattle prod exactly because it's channeling something which is being deceptive about what it is.

For decades I was all in on the "nuts and bolts extraterrestrials" stuff, and maybe 10 years ago getting deeper into the esoteric, I saw a lot of parallels between tricksters and demons and negative entities and the UFO phenomenon. Personally, I think it's all connected. Not that aliens are ghosts or demons exactly, but that entities like Jin or neutral demons have figured out a way to put on a show for humans to perpetuate the stories and fear and emotions on which they feed.

 

[nunaphael]

It's really creepy that this thread just got bumped, I literally just now finished channeling and I had a wild session and learned a few things from my "encounter".

So, yeah. I'm convinced this stuff has a legit side to it, but as was said above, it's the same essential process one would go through for "making contact" in general, except that it has less in the way of "safeguards" or training wheels as I like to call them. No shame in it though, this is definitely not something I would suggest a "beginner" tap into straight away. This is more intermediate to advanced level stuff, you need to be able to sense and detect "vibes" coming from the entities you encounter so you don't get deceived, and you need some kind of system for discerning the who/what/where/why/how this entity is contacting you and in communion with you.

I was rather lucky and was contacted by a being that identified itself as an "angel" and it was quite kind and gentle and I received a lot of positive energy and it was very intense. I had to get up and go for a walk afterward just to burn off some of the vital force that it shared with me. There was no sense of it having any kind of maliciousness to it, and I was able to discern precisely what it wanted, and where it came from. It told me that I was "gravity" and that it was "light" and that what we call the "holy spirit" is essentially somehow related to the origin of the electromagnetic force, and that somehow there is this relationship between light and gravity that is at the very core of what we call 'reality' and what "life" is all about, the very meaning of life. It was all very nice stuff, very fluffy stuff. It's all bullshit, but it's nice bullshit. That's the point. You can't let yourself be deceived. I could easily just be like "wow that makes so much sense man!", but instead I have the maturity to understand, "yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man" and so we can just have a nice conversation for awhile with no strings attached. I got to know this entity and then I thanked it for the gift of vital energy and the "wisdom" and then completed the session.

It was "interesting", I'll leave it at that. But don't mess around with this stuff unless you are able to maintain a healthy level of dissociation from whatever you might encounter. Don't let yourself become deceived. Already have a sense of what to expect going in, and know what you can and can't trust. If you're in a vulnerable place in your life or don't understand how invocations and evocations work, have no clue how witchcraft or demonology or conjuring and summoning spirits works, shamanism, any of that, stay away from this stuff (until you're ready for it).

 

[kusuri]

Most certainly. I usually use my magical techniques like the LBRP and stuff beforehand and make sure I'm working from a prepared mindset.

What trips me out the most is how when doing this outside at night, I almost see something strange in the sky. I think I have been more addicted to seeing that, over communication with these various beings. Some seem deceptive and have a very "off" vibe. A very physical anxiety rather than usual daemonic presence. Ive also experienced the positive side of it too. Maybe it because the things contacted aren't from usual spirit lists, we are reaching into unknown areas, which can be about just as dangerous or safe as let's say, meeting the spirits of a place far away from any city in nature. Could be anything from cthonic to angelic.

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@nunaphael ... What do you think about making a different sort of magical primer?

It's almost obvious with stuff like the whistleblower Matt Brown showcasing enochian stuff from 'lifting the lamp' YouTube channel that there seems to be an occult crossover with this?

I think with proper guardrails and examining the Lam material that some sort of actual manual could be developed. Maybe with more time and exploration to test ideas?

 

[Digiquo]

It is fascinating that this thread was made when it was. I literally just began watching this documentary series on Youtube called 'Hellier' that delves right into this very topic the same day this thread was created. That documentary has completely flipped the script on my presumptions about "aliens" and their relationship with the occult world and even ancient folklore and legends. I highly, HIGHLY recommend giving it a look-see if anyone here hasn't watched it yet. Some really crazy and interesting stuff.

 

[nunaphael]

Funny, I also just watched that series after seeing it recommended here by another user named @MorganBlack.

Looks like "the phenomenon" is actually happening right here. That show, and this thread, reminded me of a guy that I had heard of before but forgot about until it was mentioned during one of the later episodes of Hellier. There's this really amazing guy named Jacques Vallée, who wrote a book that was published in 1969 called "Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers" about a theory he has connecting the modern ET experiences people all over the world keep reporting, and traditional folk lore and mythology. This is literally the same French guy that was portrayed in Close Encounters of the Third Kind by another French actor who modeled his character on Jacques. That was based on a real person, and that person is Jacques Vallée.

Briefly, his theory is that the modern day phenomenon is just the way that some kind of non-human intelligence is trying to communicate with and interact with us, as it has always done since the dawn of time. He believes these "entities" have always existed alongside us in what we have a million names for, the "spirit world" the "other side" the "realm of the dead" or these days what we call "another dimension". Their "world" and ours co-exist here in this place where we experience a physical "earth", and they experience something "else" and there are places where the "veil" is thin and "paranormal activity" tends to occur more frequently. These were what we would consider sacred places in ancient times, and now we see them as hot spots for paranormal events, where there are abundant reports of "sightings" of things we now call "cryptids" or "extraterrestrials" or even "ultraterrestrials".

I'll just be straight up, I think Vallée is right. I shamelessly adopt this worldview wholesale in my own approach to my personal esoteric practice. Which might surprise some people who've been reading my posts about goetia and other things that I do, but I hope this actually helps clarify where I'm coming from, especially in that thread I made about initiating people around you. I made that thread directly after watching and feeling inspired by Hellier, and the occurrence of this thread being posted around the same time. All of this has been an interesting series of synchronicities for me so far. I'm kinda curious what will happen next at this point.