[Opinion] To keep from being a LARPer or unsuccessful mage

[DiLoco_DelEted]

From my journal...
Listening to some Earl Nightingale, reviewing my post occult life turned upside down, and my lack of studies and work...the foundry is not that easy when you're physically and neurologically disabled.
So, pity parties and "excuses" aside, perhaps take the LHP approach to the RHP.
Same with professional and other work pursued.

Thoughts/comments?

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I guess first a solid overview of LHP values and principles would be a great start in all things RHP, work, life, and other studies.

 

[Xenophon]

If you're averse to the LHP, wouldn't a grounding in RHP be the better gambit? Or did I miss your point?

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Ya kinda missed it. I am RHP. However, as a self initiate with his life in a tornado-hurricane, im looking to be devoted to God, but apply solid LHP principles to ALL things. Not to worship or work with demons, to keep pursuing the Great Work, but through the principles of the LHP..self accountability, self responsibility, etc. putting in late nights and early mornings. Get in shape and keep in shape. Advancing in all things. Putting order into my life.
Unless I misunderstand the RHP and LHP in general.

 

[Lemongrass00]

So, pity parties and "excuses" aside, perhaps take the LHP approach to the RHP.

It all depends how much you put into this work in practice (not study).

what distinction are you making between the two? Are you using Elevating Personal Ego vs Dissolving Personal Ego or Low Magick v High Magick?

I pretty much only use what is considered “RHP” but I also do minor manifestations, all that have worked well without backfire. It all depends on the intention.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Dissolving personal ego, no tools or props (even candles or incense at this time), high Magick.

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Knowledge and conversation with the HGA at some point.

 

[Lemongrass00]

Dissolving personal ego, no tools or props (even candles or incense at this time), high Magick.

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Knowledge and conversation with the HGA at some point.

I don’t use any tools or props in my practice, and I feel that you would have success doing something relatively simple, such as enhancing a good trait or diminishing a negative trait by focusing only on elemental work, not switching between things, for some period of time.

that should help build your confidence to achieve more “flashy” goals in the future.

 

[Yazata]

I think the most important things are: do not compare yourself needlessly with / focus heavily on others' results, and stick with a (couple) thing(s) / goal(s).

 

[Xenophon]

I think the most important things are: do not compare yourself needlessly with / focus heavily on others' results, and stick with a (couple) thing(s) / goal(s).

...and focus even less on others' reported results. A lot of that is just the esoteric equivalent of locker room talk.

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Ya kinda missed it. I am RHP. However, as a self initiate with his life in a tornado-hurricane, im looking to be devoted to God, but apply solid LHP principles to ALL things. Not to worship or work with demons, to keep pursuing the Great Work, but through the principles of the LHP..self accountability, self responsibility, etc. putting in late nights and early mornings. Get in shape and keep in shape. Advancing in all things. Putting order into my life.
Unless I misunderstand the RHP and LHP in general.

Gotcha. I sorter suspicioned you were RHP on account of your always saying so. Now I see where the LHP comes in. Good hunting, like David Neen uster say in them old war flicks, say it in tones clipped neater than his li'l caterpillar moustache.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, I'm back to Neophyte I guess. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have an inability to visualize again, and cannot due to my leg and hand tremors, do a proper LRP or Middle Pillar. Forget a Rose Cross Ritual or any advanced work beyond astral travel. I guess that's what I concentrate on at this point. Pathworkings and dream work leading to lucid dreams and AT.
Still, I take others experiences with a grain 9f salt, thanks for that @Xenophon ... Some experiences of mages are hard for me to believe at times.

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I think the most important things are: do not compare yourself needlessly with / focus heavily on others' results, and stick with a (couple) thing(s) / goal(s).

Great point as well Yazata, thanks.

So, I guess RHP values can be the same as what I thought LHP principles were.
Perhaps integrate Seven Habits of Highly Successful People into the realm of Ceremonial Magic.

 

[Pyrokar]

I can't nor will i try to imagine what difficulties you are faced with -
However what you describe sounds like sitting on two chairs, or not fully entering either side which might be worse.
Since they are both kind of the same thing i don't see a problem with "switching sides"
But you have mentioned multiple times you are firmly RHP so you should double down on it.
Find a way. Do it.
That's my take as a supposed LHP guy.
This is that type of crap when the guy with no legs wins a marathon, in all those faults there's got to be some advantages.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Great point .. adversity breeds something positive it would seem. I'm not the only one with problems, I also know that. An overcomer finds a way. Elemental work musb he a way as well. I think Lemongrass or maybe it was someone else mentioned that.

 

[Xenophon]

Well, I'm back to Neophyte I guess. Due to circumstances beyond my control, I have an inability to visualize again, and cannot due to my leg and hand tremors, do a proper LRP or Middle Pillar. Forget a Rose Cross Ritual or any advanced work beyond astral travel. I guess that's what I concentrate on at this point. Pathworkings and dream work leading to lucid dreams and AT.
Still, I take others experiences with a grain 9f salt, thanks for that @Xenophon ... Some experiences of mages are hard for me to believe at times.

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Great point as well Yazata, thanks.

So, I guess RHP values can be the same as what I thought LHP principles were.
Perhaps integrate Seven Habits of Highly Successful People into the realm of Ceremonial Magic.

Can you visualize enough to see yourself doing the LRP or MP? A good many traditions, including yours, permit doing ritually thusly if need be. I recall Crowley in his Golden Dawn days writing s/t about preferring physical working, but leaving the door open to the other if need be.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Can you visualize enough to see yourself doing the LRP or MP? A good many traditions, including yours, permit doing ritually thusly if need be. I recall Crowley in his Golden Dawn days writing s/t about preferring physical working, but leaving the door open to the other if need be.

I have done that with lit pentagrams up as a shield before, and using pieces on a chessboard following the neophyte and Zelator initiations tried visualizing it ... so pretty sure that might be a great thing to try.

 

[Xenophon]

I have done that with lit pentagrams up as a shield before, and using pieces on a chessboard following the neophyte and Zelator initiations tried visualizing it ... so pretty sure that might be a great thing to try.

I was in the hospital last spring and not permitted to move out of bed, I did this for basic rituals with similar purpose as LBRP and the like. Maybe not ideal, but apparently workable.

 

[Vandheer]

In my experience it doesn't really replace the sensation of physical rites but it certainly does enough.

 

[bgshawn499]

I don’t use any tools or props in my practice, and I feel that you would have success doing something relatively simple, such as enhancing a good trait or diminishing a negative trait by focusing only on elemental work, not switching between things, for some period of time.

that should help build your confidence to achieve more “flashy” goals in the future.

Great suggestions, Nro

I don’t use any tools or props in my practice, and I feel that you would have success doing something relatively simple, such as enhancing a good trait or diminishing a negative trait by focusing only on elemental work, not switching between things, for some period of time.

that should help build your confidence to achieve more “flashy” goals in the future.

Great Suggestion, Fuego Bro it sounds like you have a ton on your plate right now. I think you should keep things as simple. Instead of adding more things to your plate why don't you stick to what you've been doing. Stick to your basic rituals and the elemental work that you're into. Keep practicing and allow yourself to feel good about what you're doing . That will you motivation to keep moving forward.

 

[HoldAll]

I think Damon Brand or somebody else said that if you are unable to visualize, you just will something to be there. I'm just a beginner but whenever I'm unable to "see" the pentagrams during the LBRP in glorious technicolor for some reason, I just decide that they are there, period. That of course will hardly work for pathworking purposes of course but as Will seems to be so important in magic... I read something yesterday in a book by Don Webb: The religious person says "Thy will be done" while the magician goes "My will be done".

Hope this helps.

 

[Xenophon]

I think Damon Brand or somebody else said that if you are unable to visualize, you just will something to be there. I'm just a beginner but whenever I'm unable to "see" the pentagrams during the LBRP in glorious technicolor for some reason, I just decide that they are there, period. That of course will hardly work for pathworking purposes of course but as Will seems to be so important in magic... I read something yesterday in a book by Don Webb: The religious person says "Thy will be done" while the magician goes "My will be done".

Hope this helps.

Old Teutonic practitioners even use the past tense in their rites: not "be done" but "it is done."

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I think Damon Brand or somebody else said that if you are unable to visualize, you just will something to be there. I'm just a beginner but whenever I'm unable to "see" the pentagrams during the LBRP in glorious technicolor for some reason, I just decide that they are there, period. That of course will hardly work for pathworking purposes of course but as Will seems to be so important in magic... I read something yesterday in a book by Don Webb: The religious person says "Thy will be done" while the magician goes "My will be done".

Hope this helps.

I agree. The example I always use is, when creating a sigil from a sentence, you need to phrase it quite carefully. If your sentence is "I want to be a great actor" - you have already achieved your wish, you already want to be a great actor

Now, if your sentence is "I WILL be a great actor..."

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Decided, after listening to Earl Nightingales Direct Line 21 on deciding and decisions, to decide and did, the QC/LBRP/QC rituals.
It was either Dion Fortune or Delores Ashcroft-Nowicki who stated basically that a true mage could do their magic from a wheelchair if it was necessary.
W.E. Butler recommended trying to learn meditation on a busy street corner, that if you could do that, then you could meditate anywhere with loud surroundings.