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I am curious to hear your thoughts about what you think about entities. There is a theory in the occult regarding what are called egregores which are sentient entities that are created by collective of human minds all focusing on that one thing. I was wondering if this may be the case for all gods we talk about.

Let me know what your thoughts are on this.
 
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In many cases, yes. Larvaes, elementals.... Need a direction to be active and that's when they meet a good source of energy they become operative.

Famous ghosts in haunted places are fed by people believe in them. Even after purification, those spirits remain cause they are the products of people believe and focus.

It's even fair to say that most spirits are the fruits of humain mind (with other principales) but the spirits who manage to deal with us, having conversations etc got programmed directly or indirectly by us.
 

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In many cases, yes. Larvaes, elementals.... Need a direction to be active and that's when they meet a good source of energy they become operative.

Famous ghosts in haunted places are fed by people believe in them. Even after purification, those spirits remain cause they are the products of people believe and focus.

It's even fair to say that most spirits are the fruits of humain mind (with other principales) but the spirits who manage to deal with us, having conversations etc got programmed directly or indirectly by us.
Interesting, the reason i have had this thought was through personal experience. I never actually performed a ritual at all but i was attempting to understand the inner workings of how magic actually works. I believe it had a effect on me through my obsession doing this. I am new on here and i have a couple stories to share that are very significant. I may write about them soon on here. 2 of them were only through a mirror did i see these things. So one of them was the bust of a old man which was blue apparition. The other one superimposed himself over me and idenified himself as lucifer and said i was him — and that i always was him. This one got me the most confused as i did not know how to react to such a thing. So how he looked to me was that he had large dark eyes, scaled skin, a long bridged nose pointed down, and he was gray colored. He spoke very softly. I did not believe what he was saying and i was quick to reject what he told me. There was no harm done to me, but he kept repeating i was him. Really strange.
 

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I agree with Oberon, and can add a small anecdote. My sister recently converted to Orthodox christian, so before I went there for Christmas, i sent some tulpas to her house to see what religious spirits she had around her now, and to try to establish friendly relations with them. Her house is full of icons and little alters/shrines. Everything went fine at christmas, and afterwards I asked my tulpas what the "Saints" were like. They said, " Some of them were once living humans, but most of them are like us." I found that interesting. Also, while I was there i did several javanese spells to fill her house with golden cleansing light, and I had a strong impression of the spirits in the house really liking this. Which I thought was also interesting.
 

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I agree with Oberon, and can add a small anecdote. My sister recently converted to Orthodox christian, so before I went there for Christmas, i sent some tulpas to her house to see what religious spirits she had around her now, and to try to establish friendly relations with them. Her house is full of icons and little alters/shrines. Everything went fine at christmas, and afterwards I asked my tulpas what the "Saints" were like. They said, " Some of them were once living humans, but most of them are like us." I found that interesting. Also, while I was there i did several javanese spells to fill her house with golden cleansing light, and I had a strong impression of the spirits in the house really liking this. Which I thought was also interesting.
My whole family is catholic, but i have my own personal beliefs which conflict. I could always see there being one God which exists on its own, but i could not see that same God being projected into one human. I view God as source and that would mean to me that we are of that source.

Whatever you do — do not show her Dr. Hillman lol. That would be way too traumatic. If you never heard of him he is a classicist that specializes in ancient drugs. So the truth is the new testiment was translated wrong and what it says basically is on the lines of jesus performing mystery rites with children. So the apostles apparently were children. I did confirm that Dr. Hillman was not lieing as i found another translator of ancient greek saying the same thing.
 

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In many cases, yes. Larvaes, elementals.... Need a direction to be active and that's when they meet a good source of energy they become operative.

Famous ghosts in haunted places are fed by people believe in them. Even after purification, those spirits remain cause they are the products of people believe and focus.

It's even fair to say that most spirits are the fruits of humain mind (with other principales) but the spirits who manage to deal with us, having conversations etc got programmed directly or indirectly by us.
I always have these kind of thoughts when people talk about the Monster of Loch Ness. It is as much an egregore as it is a monster or a elemental. I am always curious about how news-updates on television feeds the consciousness of the tv-watchers. I presume that if you bring 1000 of these people, randomly chosen, to the lake of Loch Ness, more than half would see the monster. As a human, we have a productive mind.
 

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I am curious to hear your thoughts about what you think about entities. There is a theory in the occult regarding what are called egregores which are sentient entities that are created by collective of human minds all focusing on that one thing. I was wondering if this may be the case for all gods we talk about.

Let me know what your thoughts are on this.
It really doesn't matter all that much - as Crowley stated in Book IV (paraphrased) ' in this book you will read of many things that may or may not exist, and this is immaterial because by doing certain ACTS certain results will follow"
 

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Oh, egregors. I have a lot to add on this topic, these thoughts and opinions are based on personal experience and on the experience of my Russian colleagues. Indeed, we have a belief that an egregore is something that is created by people. Initially a blob of energy that is powered by people who have rallied together in one cause. Even coming to a soccer match, you feel these emotions, right? For example, at a soccer match, you feel the emotions of fans united in supporting their team. At this moment an egregore is created, which is fueled by the common energy. I practice Slavic paganism, and, like most people in Ukraine and Russia, I was baptized from childhood in church. The Christian egregore, is very evil and vindictive. As soon as you start studying other traditions, trying to interact with them, the Christian egregore will show you your place. And yes, I'm talking about really religious people now. Going deeper and deeper into the practice of paganism, and working with Slavic Gods, the Christianity egregore “hit” quite hard, and each time showed that it was not ready to part with such a tidbit. Earlier, I brought donations for the church, observed some church fasts, celebrated church holidays. At one time practiced through the church. Now, why do we think Christianity has an egregore? Because this religion was created artificially, mostly rewritten from paganism. When you are baptized in church, unfortunately, I don't know how baptism rites are held in your country, but in our country, if you consider it as a ritual, you can compare it as a closure from other traditions, a piece of hair is cut off from the child, buried with wax. On a place of “the third eye” they put a dot of church oil, as if closing your third eye, and when definitely baptized, as if they tie you on hands and feet, and connect you to the HE (Christian egregore). When I came to the path of paganism, so to speak, to my native Gods, and started the process of entering the tradition, on Christmas Day I was standing on the highway, because my car suddenly stalled, in the dark, it was raining, and I was just in a hopeless situation. Even the pack of cigarettes had evaporated from the car, I wished I had a smoke at that moment to calm my nerves a bit. HH beckoned to me. “The only car that stopped belonged to the father in law.”. “With the words 'God help us' he advised me to call a tow truck and drove off.” I was tipped off. Fighting with HH is considered pointless. He's strong enough, and you just can't take him out alone. That same night, I came home, gathered all the icons in a bag, all my jewelry in the form of a cross, and other paraphernalia. And I was determined to get baptized. Not a single bishop, not a single minister of the church gave me an answer to the question “how do I get baptized?” That is, in fact, there is no return ticket. I will not tell you how before the rite of baptism I continued to face the influence of KH, but believe me, this egregore is jealous, and there is enough dark power in it. It is not possible to cope with it alone, if you are interested in HE. Therefore I asked the Slavic Gods to take me under their wing, that they settled accounts with HE for me, and after that I thanked the Slavic and settled accounts with them. Also we have a concept of money egregor. All financial structures, banks, create one powerful money egregore. We even have a small ritual, in the branch of a successful bank, on the waxing moon you need to steal a leaf of a living plant, and after the leaf takes root, plant it at home. So to speak, to grow your money home egregor).
I don't know the correct English word for “leave religion, unbaptize”, so the translator gave the word “unbaptism”.
 

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Agreed, as Illusive Owl said.

To rephrase to put a fine point : the spirits manifest in the world but through your mind. Mind is partly in your 'small-m' personal mind, and partly in the world , which is also Mind. A better term for this externalized-appearing-mind is sometimes called the World Soul.

Some of the daimons from Verum have shown up in my external-appearing environment as fully objectively real beings , appearing as tall Lovecraftian beings. And no, I do not use drugs, have any mental health issues, nor use the modern mental-evocation style of contact. (Not against it. But it seems too easy to fool oneself)

I also work in the entertainment industry as an art director and concept artist and have a rich inner life for them to draw on. Do I think they are really Lovecraftian creatures? Or floating eggs? Or even horned demons.? No. But they have independent, individualized personhood -well, functionally anyway, just like us - and appear separate from my personal consciousness, just like you do and people around me appear to, but the daimons are shaped my consciousness, rummaging around in my subconscious for a fun costume to wear.
 

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I have been reading a lot lately about toroidal fields and consciousness. This will probably be common knowledge here but our "minds" are more like interfaces to these fields of information. Much like our computers or phones access information in the cloud, our minds access information in the torus fields, and I believe these fields, which are energy and data basically, are where all of the egregores, angels, demons, gods etc...come to life. If people stop worshipping them, stop feeding them energy, they diminish, but they still exist and can be revived by new worshippers, new energy. There are certain egregores in my life who have called to me, asked for energy or engagement, not because they wanted something from me or anything creepy, but because they were forgotten. It's an interesting topic, I like exploring this! I've written an article on torus fields that I will share at some point when I am happy with it🙂.
 

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RE: Are entities manifestation of the human mind?
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⁜→ jkeller293, OberonFromTheHills, neilwilkes, Baranova Alya

I am curious to hear your thoughts about what you think about entities. There is a theory in the occult regarding what are called egregores which are sentient entities that are created by collective of human minds all focusing on that one thing. I was wondering if this may be the case for all gods we talk about.

Let me know what your thoughts are on this.
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Within the various splinter groups of the "Occult," the term "egregore" is most often used to express or imply the concept of a "collective conscious(ness)." It isn't easy to find a uniform or generally accepted definition because it is almost always described in every nebulas ways. I have yet to see any evidence of a situation in which there is a detectable system of interlocking telemetry between minds (however "mind" is defined). The "Cognitive Revolution" (a term I borrowed from Professors Ervin Laszlow, Jean Houston, and Larry Dossey) began to accept many of the notions presented by Quantum Mechanics (QM) and Quantum Field Theory (QFT).

It is important to remember that the theory on the existence of a "Collective Consciousness" has little validity unless there is a means by which it can be accomplished. And as it happens - there are Cellular Foundations of Consciousness.

Oh, egregors. I have a lot to add on this topic, these thoughts and opinions are based on personal experience and on the experience. o
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I often stay in the background, limited in my observations and contributions, but I do appreciate the commentary on personal experiences.

Therefore I asked the Slavic Gods to take me under their wing.
I don't know the correct English word for “leave religion, unbaptize”, so the translator gave the word “unbaptism”.
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I have a Doctorate in Metaphysics, and admit that I have often in the past come in conflict at the demarcation between objective science - and - the crafted faith-based systems used to describe the natural laws of the universe. In this regard, I find myself leaning on the Stavich Perspective.

For those interested in the academic study of esotericism, the concept of
egregores may simply be seen as a quaint relic of an earlier time, a holdover
from our ancient past and therefore of little practical consequence. For those
on the spiritual path, any spiritual path, being introduced to the concept of
egregores is often a life-changing encounter.

Mark Stavish
A respected authority on Western spiritual traditions.

It really doesn't matter all that much - as Crowley stated in Book IV (paraphrased) ' in this book you will read of many things that may or may not exist, and this is immaterial because by doing certain ACTS certain results will follow"
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Aleister Crowley has, in some cases, been very Zen-like. this interpretation is very much like the Physics dilemma - the Question of whether it is → a particle - or - a wave. This is just hedging the bet.


• What is consciousness? © 2016 by Ervin Laszlow, Jean Houston, and Larry Dossey, published by SelectBooks, Inc. New York, New York.
• The Sentient Cell (The Cellular Foundations of Consciousness) by Arthur S. Reber, František Baluška, William B. Miller Jr. © 2023 Oxford University Press 8 Madison Avenue, New York, NY 10016
• Egregores - by Mark Stavish © Inner Traditions, Rochester Vermont


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I've often wondered the same thing myself. I've run across the notion that Wiccan covens create an egregore that represents their god through collective belief-- this was my first encounter with the term a few years ago. It's given me a lot to think about, much like the idea of a tulpa has as well. I've had experiences with something I have a hard time classifying. I don't know if it's really divine or if it's all mental. Usually I just decide that it can be both at the end of the day. In any case, it's always reminded me of a tulpa or an egregore and I like to think it's my brain's way of interpreting something that exists beyond me in a way that I can handle.
 

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Oh, egregors. I have a lot to add on this topic, these thoughts and opinions are based on personal experience and on the experience of my Russian colleagues. Indeed, we have a belief that an egregore is something that is created by people. Initially a blob of energy that is powered by people who have rallied together in one cause. Even coming to a soccer match, you feel these emotions, right? For example, at a soccer match, you feel the emotions of fans united in supporting their team. At this moment an egregore is created, which is fueled by the common energy. I practice Slavic paganism, and, like most people in Ukraine and Russia, I was baptized from childhood in church. The Christian egregore, is very evil and vindictive. As soon as you start studying other traditions, trying to interact with them, the Christian egregore will show you your place. And yes, I'm talking about really religious people now. Going deeper and deeper into the practice of paganism, and working with Slavic Gods, the Christianity egregore “hit” quite hard, and each time showed that it was not ready to part with such a tidbit. Earlier, I brought donations for the church, observed some church fasts, celebrated church holidays. At one time practiced through the church. Now, why do we think Christianity has an egregore? Because this religion was created artificially, mostly rewritten from paganism. When you are baptized in church, unfortunately, I don't know how baptism rites are held in your country, but in our country, if you consider it as a ritual, you can compare it as a closure from other traditions, a piece of hair is cut off from the child, buried with wax. On a place of “the third eye” they put a dot of church oil, as if closing your third eye, and when definitely baptized, as if they tie you on hands and feet, and connect you to the HE (Christian egregore). When I came to the path of paganism, so to speak, to my native Gods, and started the process of entering the tradition, on Christmas Day I was standing on the highway, because my car suddenly stalled, in the dark, it was raining, and I was just in a hopeless situation. Even the pack of cigarettes had evaporated from the car, I wished I had a smoke at that moment to calm my nerves a bit. HH beckoned to me. “The only car that stopped belonged to the father in law.”. “With the words 'God help us' he advised me to call a tow truck and drove off.” I was tipped off. Fighting with HH is considered pointless. He's strong enough, and you just can't take him out alone. That same night, I came home, gathered all the icons in a bag, all my jewelry in the form of a cross, and other paraphernalia. And I was determined to get baptized. Not a single bishop, not a single minister of the church gave me an answer to the question “how do I get baptized?” That is, in fact, there is no return ticket. I will not tell you how before the rite of baptism I continued to face the influence of KH, but believe me, this egregore is jealous, and there is enough dark power in it. It is not possible to cope with it alone, if you are interested in HE. Therefore I asked the Slavic Gods to take me under their wing, that they settled accounts with HE for me, and after that I thanked the Slavic and settled accounts with them. Also we have a concept of money egregor. All financial structures, banks, create one powerful money egregore. We even have a small ritual, in the branch of a successful bank, on the waxing moon you need to steal a leaf of a living plant, and after the leaf takes root, plant it at home. So to speak, to grow your money home egregor).
I don't know the correct English word for “leave religion, unbaptize”, so the translator gave the word “unbaptism”.

I was baptized in the Russian Orthodox church too, as an adult. For me it did not make anything worse at all. Interestingly the overall connection to everything actually increased, multipled and boosted ever since. Also for some reason the ritual of baptism gave me a format-c like total renewal effect which has been a great bonus. Right after the baptism I noticed that all the other practices started hitting harder.

That very same place on the third eye, where they anoint you, the sensitivity increased by like 300% something. Also the practices in the church, each candle I lit in there immediately gave a blazing ray of light effect, so much that after a few days of candle lighting it went to a level of exploding energy. A rather interesting state of power. Obviously it does have an excellent effect on the saint work. Still surprisingily boosting for everything else too.

In the church where I had it done, the hair was actually burnt in the fireplace. The priest collects all old bibles, icons and the baptismal hair and throws everything in the fireplace of his home.

I remember interesting talks by some guy who spoke about the egregore, in your language actually, the channel is called "kontrol tenei" they are on Rumble now (banned from youtube). I can't really speak enough Russian to understand it but some people watched it with me and gave a perfect live translation to everything. Very long ones.

I remember the talks about money egregore first time from books by Anatoli Nekrassov (from Russia) in one of his books.
 

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RE: Are entities manifestations of the human mind?
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the notion that Wiccan covens create an egregore that represents their god through collective belief
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I somewhat agree. However, the rich and powerful determine the scope, nature, and characteristics of the deity they introduce to society. They create a deity they believe society will accept based on the generally accepted beliefs held within the society. The rich and powerful mold the beliefs to their advantage (improving their wealth and power).

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I agree the powerful may introduce a diety and have very specific goals in mind (obedience and control of the population seems to be one of the key original aims), BUT over time new stories, imagery and energies can feed those dieties and enable them to transform. Empires rise and fall, the powerful die, yet their creations live on and morph over time based on pop culture influences and new follower beliefs. At least that's my take on it🙃
 

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Я тоже был крещен в русской православной церкви, будучи взрослым. Для меня это вообще ничего хуже не сделало. Интересно, что с тех пор общая связь со всем на самом деле увеличивалась, приумножалась и усиливалась. Кроме того, по какой-то причине ритуал крещения дал мне эффект полного обновления, что было большим бонусом. Сразу после крещения я заметила, что все остальные практики стали бить сильнее.

В том же самом месте на третьем глазу, где вас помазывают, чувствительность увеличилась примерно на 300% с чем-то. Также практика в церкви, каждая свеча, которую я там зажигал, сразу же давала пылающий луч света, настолько сильный, что через несколько дней зажигания свечей он достигал уровня взрывающейся энергии. Довольно интересное состояние власти. Очевидно, что это оказывает прекрасное влияние на работу святых. Все еще удивительно усиливается и для всего остального.

В церкви, где я это делал, волосы на самом деле сгорели в камине. Священник собирает все старые Библии, иконы и крестильные волосы и бросает все в камин своего дома.

Я помню интересные выступления одного парня, который говорил об эгрегоре, на вашем языке вообще-то канал называется "kontrol tenei", они сейчас на Rumble (запрещены на youtube). Я не могу говорить по-русски достаточно, чтобы понять это, но некоторые люди смотрели его вместе со мной и прекрасно переводили все вживую. Очень длинные.

Мне впервые запомнились разговоры о денежном эгрегоре из книг Анатолия Некрасова (из России) в одной из его книг.
Работайте с христианским эгрегором, и о да, если он взял вас под свое крыло, вы непременно станете могущественным. Вопрос в том, сколько он будет брать за свои услуги?) В наших церквях милые бабушки, которые снаружи выглядят как добрые феи, творят в церкви очень черную магию. Поэтому, конечно, вы тоже можете почувствовать такую сильную связь с христианским эгрегором и использовать его в разных направлениях. Про автора Некрасова, он не очень популярен среди практиков. Он психолог и теоретик. Его книги не пользуются популярностью у людей, которые серьезно занимаются. От себя лично хочу добавить, что если вы так круто принимаете церковный эгрегор, не стесняйтесь пользоваться его услугами, но никогда не забывайте платить, чтобы сам не брал оплату, он возьмет как правило то, что дорого вашему сердцу.
 

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Работайте с христианским эгрегором, и о да, если он взял вас под свое крыло, вы непременно станете могущественным. Вопрос в том, сколько он будет брать за свои услуги?) В наших церквях милые бабушки, которые снаружи выглядят как добрые феи, творят в церкви очень черную магию. Поэтому, конечно, вы тоже можете почувствовать такую сильную связь с христианским эгрегором и использовать его в разных направлениях. Про автора Некрасова, он не очень популярен среди практиков. Он психолог и теоретик. Его книги не пользуются популярностью у людей, которые серьезно занимаются. От себя лично хочу добавить, что если вы так круто принимаете церковный эгрегор, не стесняйтесь пользоваться его услугами, но никогда не забывайте платить, чтобы сам не брал оплату, он возьмет как правило то, что дорого вашему сердцу.
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