Paradigms in the Face of the Universe

[Jadugar]

Let's say that tomorrow we come in contact with an alien species--what's their magic going to look like in contrast to yours?

What I mean to ask is, really, what is your view on magic, and how universal do you think it is? If you're of a religious persuasion, would you expect them to follow the same god as your favoured holy book's? If you believe the Universe to be created from the four elements or planetary forces, would you expect their magic to similarly hail Fire, Air, Water, Earth or look to our 7 planets for sorcery? Would you believe them to follow the same magical laws--sympathy, contagion, etc.--just under different names, or would you expect them to have a whole new set of laws? Do you have a novel geocentric view that is at odds with the existence of different sentiences in the first place? Forget their level of sophistication or if we've actually come in contact with any aliens or if their magic is science or vice versa, tell me how universal do you think your paradigm to be.

 

[Yazata]

We are shaped by our surroundings and I expect alien magicians to be shaped by theirs.
If you look at what we know of the atmospheres of some of our neighboring planets it would be hard to imagine that ones who grew up in such a place would have the same idea of 4 elements.

The popularized image of the grey with a tiny mouth or no mouth at all because of their suggested telepathic powers leads me to think that if they exist their magic would be more mental than ritualistic.

Of course there's the story of the Anunaki who created us from their DNA, so a big part of me believes that their magic has always been a part of us. Our rituals likely evolved from humans working with them.

 

[8Lou1]

When i was still searching for the Ultimate Truth, i got pushed very hard and annoyingly deeper into islamic texts. Eventually i found a crack in the system and opened a gate to more and bigger paradigms that expand over universes. When coming down i discovered that these hidden universes all have doors in satanic paradigms and prob in other places as well, but i got purposely drifted that way.

When researching magickal symbolism in the broadest sense i found myself getting stuck more often then not, due to differences in symbolism in every culture. When i finally untied that knot, i realised that as a human being with life behind me i have my own symbolism and chaos magick became operation chaos and i became a islamic vampiric chaos magician which by its defenition is an enigma aka in the greater scheme of things i now know less then ever before and that seems to be the only way the universe grows.

So are there more paradigms? Yes. Do they work different? Yes. Is it of any use to earth? Yes, but people are stupid, so the answer is No.

 

[Roma]

what's their magic going to look like in contrast to yours?

A lot of their technology already looks like magic to Earth humans - like taking abductees through solid walls

 

[Konsciencia]

Let's say that tomorrow we come in contact with an alien species--what's their magic going to look like in contrast to yours?

What I mean to ask is, really, what is your view on magic, and how universal do you think it is? If you're of a religious persuasion, would you expect them to follow the same god as your favoured holy book's? If you believe the Universe to be created from the four elements or planetary forces, would you expect their magic to similarly hail Fire, Air, Water, Earth or look to our 7 planets for sorcery? Would you believe them to follow the same magical laws--sympathy, contagion, etc.--just under different names, or would you expect them to have a whole new set of laws? Do you have a novel geocentric view that is at odds with the existence of different sentiences in the first place? Forget their level of sophistication or if we've actually come in contact with any aliens or if their magic is science or vice versa, tell me how universal do you think your paradigm to

I don't know if other Life forms on The Universe has the same law. And, their Magick lies within them. They don't need books because these Species know, and are aware in an Advance level. I know that we can do the same by tuning in to our Soul, and let our Soul unlock our full capacity. Our true Magick lies in the Soul, you just have to unlock it. In the ancient times, we used to read, and move objects with our minds. But, shit hit the fan.

 

[SkullTraill]

Imho our "magick" is just a layer of abstraction we apply to understand, communicate and explain aspects of the universe.

See, in reality, there is no maths, there is no logic, there are no "laws of physics". The universe just is, and just is the way it is because it is. Logic is just an abstraction we invented to help us decide what is true and isn't true. The universe doesn't care what we think is true and isn't true. It just is. Maths is something we invented to count and predict. We only count because we can "see" a certain number of things. But from the universe's perspective, there could be a different explanation.

Magick is just one of those abstractions we have constructed to help understand and communicate certain things. We don't know if behind the universe there's just some comedy club and all the magick we do is just jokes, and the goal is to make them laugh. We really don't know what makes them laugh or what they find funny. We just know what the last few comedians said, and sometimes when we say it again we get a laugh too. Some things definitely don't get a laugh.

That was just an example to illustrate how truly ridiculous we would be to think we could ever understand the inner workings, logic, purpose, or fundamental laws of the universe are... because those things are all human constructs. Everything beyond our own minds is utterly occult and forever will be. Hidden, never to be known or experienced. We just barely have enough synchonicity and coincidence that we can talk and communicate about some things like colors, objects, numbers, maths. But that's mainly because we drill these concepts into ourselves from birth.

Just like you can agree with someone on what color an object is, but you will never truly see what they see... we will NEVER truly know how the universe works. The sad truth is, with all our language, math and logic... we have some basic shared understanding of what is and isn't. But the moment we ask "why" it's meaningless. There is no way to answer any "why" question without inventing some abstraction.

I guess what I am trying to say is aliens might perform magick the same way we do, they might perform magick some other way, or they may have never evolved the capacity to conceptualize or want magick. They may not have other planets the way we do, they may not even be on a planet, or see other stars... they may not be mortal in the same way that we are, even... If some ancient wisdom is to be believed, it would be foolish to even assume that there are aliens. This universe could simply be created just to support life on earth.

So the answer to your question is yes, no, and everything else.

 

[Konsciencia]

Imho our "magick" is just a layer of abstraction we apply to understand, communicate and explain aspects of the universe.

See, in reality, there is no maths, there is no logic, there are no "laws of physics". The universe just is, and just is the way it is because it is. Logic is just an abstraction we invented to help us decide what is true and isn't true. The universe doesn't care what we think is true and isn't true. It just is. Maths is something we invented to count and predict. We only count because we can "see" a certain number of things. But from the universe's perspective, there could be a different explanation.

Magick is just one of those abstractions we have constructed to help understand and communicate certain things. We don't know if behind the universe there's just some comedy club and all the magick we do is just jokes, and the goal is to make them laugh. We really don't know what makes them laugh or what they find funny. We just know what the last few comedians said, and sometimes when we say it again we get a laugh too. Some things definitely don't get a laugh.

That was just an example to illustrate how truly ridiculous we would be to think we could ever understand the inner workings, logic, purpose, or fundamental laws of the universe are... because those things are all human constructs. Everything beyond our own minds is utterly occult and forever will be. Hidden, never to be known or experienced. We just barely have enough synchonicity and coincidence that we can talk and communicate about some things like colors, objects, numbers, maths. But that's mainly because we drill these concepts into ourselves from birth.

Just like you can agree with someone on what color an object is, but you will never truly see what they see... we will NEVER truly know how the universe works. The sad truth is, with all our language, math and logic... we have some basic shared understanding of what is and isn't. But the moment we ask "why" it's meaningless. There is no way to answer any "why" question without inventing some abstraction.

I guess what I am trying to say is aliens might perform magick the same way we do, they might perform magick some other way, or they may have never evolved the capacity to conceptualize or want magick. They may not have other planets the way we do, they may not even be on a planet, or see other stars... they may not be mortal in the same way that we are, even... If some ancient wisdom is to be believed, it would be foolish to even assume that there are aliens. This universe could simply be created just to support life on earth.

So the answer to your question is yes, no, and everything else.

This is well explained. I am impressed, great one SkullTraill!