"Crossing the Kavir" or Why Wintruz has entered a Sufi Order

[Beyond Everything]

The deeper currents of the LHP offered an answer — consciousness is “non-natural,” and therefore indulgence in the world will never suffice. Where conventional religions teach that the world cannot fulfil the soul and counsel restraint so as to not amplify desire, the deep LHP taught to accept that the desire will not be resolved — that it will grow — and that the agony can become fuel for mastery. In the quiet corners of the LHP, there is a name for one who embodies this condition of unmet yearning as fuel for mastery: the Vampyre.

It's unfortunate you were never taught (or figured out) that agony is just energy, and all energy can be manipulated. In other words, these sorts of squirming agonies can be negated, and don't need to be dealt with by being entranced by a different egregore.

 

[Morell]

It's unfortunate you were never taught (or figured out) that agony is just energy, and all energy can be manipulated. In other words, these sorts of squirming agonies can be negated, and don't need to be dealt with by being entranced by a different egregore.

Yes and no.

You are right that all energy can be manipulated and used as a fuel for yourself, even energy of any pain. Though this dealing with pain is useful, it should never be long term solution. You should seek to solve the source of pain. It can be dangerous to depend on yourself suffering, even if you start to like it... suffering that be discontinued and wounds should be cared for through healing.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Though this dealing with pain is useful, it should never be long term solution. You should seek to solve the source of pain.

The source of pain is being in a primate body. So I disagree that it's not a long term solution. It very much is.

 

[Amadeus]

I completely understand. I have been working with Russian Orthodox Rassophores, Stavrophores and Schema Monks for a while now. I have observed miracles, seen more Spirits and practiced more internal and external workings- with success, than with any Esoteric/Occult Order or Coven.

I have the the same thoughts here. The practices are potent and powerful. Effects are crazy. As soon I discovered them I fell in love with both, Orthodoxy and Sufism. They have so much to offer. Active, deep, crazy and profound mad monk practices.

Nice! Must be great knowing some schemamonks. Their mad dedication has always inspired me. One of those things I've always wanted is the great schema initiation.

 

[MorganBlack]

OK, I never did the LHP / RHP segmentation. More of a both-fists kind of guy, and look it.

When in one's younger years I am in agreement with the LHP folks, and say you should throw yourself into life. Seek your joys and make your mistakes. Figure out what is what and what. Your ancestors paid the ticket price for you to be on this ride, so you should get your / their money's worth.

If anything am the sorcerer I am today from years spent dealing with the highly predatory psychopaths in the corporate entertainment industrial scale dream-factories. I feel good about cleaning up some of the worst of them.

But someone more in the LHP traditions, please, please tell me why Christianity, (the mystical traditions, not the bog-standard modern version we all dislike) is considered RHP, aside from the hope, faith, grace, love, and charity parts.

It looks neither LHP nor RHP to my sense of things. Mythically speaking J.C. "is" pretty much Shiva if he was the last Greek god, destroying everything between you and The One. (Substitute your own language here).

 

[Sabbatius]

OK, I never did the LHP / RHP segmentation. More of a both-fists kind of guy, and look it.

When in one's younger years I am in agreement with the LHP folks, and say you should throw yourself into life. Seek your joys and make your mistakes. Figure out what is what and what. Your ancestors paid the ticket price for you to be on this ride, so you should get your / their money's worth.

If anything am the sorcerer I am today from years spent dealing with the highly predatory psychopaths in the corporate entertainment industrial scale dream-factories. I feel good about cleaning up some of the worst of them.

But someone more in the LHP traditions, please, please tell me why Christianity, (the mystical traditions, not the bog-standard modern version we all dislike) is considered RHP, aside from the hope, faith, grace, love, and charity parts.

It looks neither LHP nor RHP to my sense of things. Mythically speaking J.C. "is" pretty much Shiva if he was the last Greek god, destroying everything between you and The One. (Substitute your own language here).

Left-Hand and Right-Hand terminology originated in India as Vamacara and Daksinacara, whose associations were taken in the 19th Century Blavatsky nightmare of Theosophy. Due to Blavatsky, we have the terminology to separate Light from Darkness, Good vs. Evil and the Duality concepts which drive Jungian (stereo)types to ecstatic orgy.

However, the Light and Dark concepts I can understand, as the Christ in the Taboric Light was seen as illuminated, fully-enveloped in pure energy and was too intense to describe. Another factor is found in the Gospel of St. John which states "καὶ τὸ φῶς ἐν τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αὐτὸ οὐ κατέλαβεν" as "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended(overcome) it not" which gives the picture of what many of the Monastic Desert Fathers stated as "the light of Christ shines and the darkness flees from it."

The only duality concept I lean more towards is Right and Wrong. No matter how much we try to argue that there is no absolute right or wrong in many worldly situations, there actually is. We just have the hardest time accepting these as we like to live and wallow in our own excrement and call it gold. Just my personal opinion I eventually came to over the many long years of wasted energy.

 

[MorganBlack]

Ah! Thank you, Sabbatius.

My understanding of the term LHP , which I admit is probably terrible, was shaped by 1990s Tantra and Thelema, as a path of non-differentiation, an expression similar to Kashmir Saivism. As Liber AL says:

"The word of Sin is Restriction."
"Bind nothing! Let there be no difference made among you between any one thing & any other thing; for thereby there cometh hurt."

All of these then seemed like a tall order even then, and without today's media landscape of continious mimetic desire, ala René Girard.

Not to sound too harsh, nor cast any aspersions here... but I swear back then everyone I met who said they are beyond differentiation, beyond good and evil, all had obvious and exceedingly strong personal preferences, particularly for cigarettes, alcohol, and other monkeys they needed an excuse to chase.

 

[BBBB]

The only duality concept I lean more towards is Right and Wrong. No matter how much we try to argue that there is no absolute right or wrong in many worldly situations, there actually is. We just have the hardest time accepting these as we like to live and wallow in our own excrement and call it gold. Just my personal opinion I eventually came to over the many long years of wasted energy.

This. The truth that was hidden behind the two lies of LHP&RHP. Glad you brought it up and thank you for sharing your acquired wisdom.

"We have granted Moses the Torah (or Kitāb, the book) and discernment (Furqānan) - perhaps you will take to the right (as opposed to wrong, not to left) way."

Discernment is the ability to interpret the Kitāb and to know right from wrong in life, which cannot be codified in law. This is key ability that is granted to man by God, and by which man can be saved. Not in afterlife, but in real life, the man and humanity as a whole can be saved with use of the discerment ability by their own will(!).

It is essential that man uses his power of discernment by his own choice, and that is one of the targets of all shaitans - they can't take away the power of discerment from man, or change the reality (the book), but they can try to trick man by providing him with false choices, so instead of chosing what is right, man would try to chose "the lesser of two evils". They try to fabricate such a worldview for people, in which there would be no right way. Truth is their enemy.
We can see that in all the West with absolutely fabricated, virtual, reality that is imposed on reality that is. The truth is being rooted out. The occult is just one segment of culture. They work all of them. And the way they do it is by exploiting what Al Ghazali pointed out in my earlier quote - the man in the making is a combination of pig, dog, devil, and only partly a human. It is improper to think a human is complete at birth, it must grow into being full human. That is being attacked on all levels available to shaitans. God helps, but if man doesn't exercise his will and doesn't use discerment, and would not develop absolute intolerance to falsehood, he will die and humanity will die.

LHP&RHP could make sense in India, but more often then not (always) it seems Theosophy and such butcher the original, lose the context, pervert the idea, and return it in a corrupt way, they are shaitans.

 

[8Lou1]

@BBBB dont you think its a bit stupid of gazali to use a being from the goetia to make a man? i know he wasnt slimane, but just like i refuse to be a slave, i also refuse to be beast man.

and might it not be better if the old version of man died? i for sure am happy with my new update where i can read and write and understand tools. even the hitting by shaitans, what is in all actuality the name for wise men, is to get the dirt out and mold the lead, so it can turn into gold. petrify!

and last but not least, i know i wanted a lot of truths coming out, but dont we all know some truths are forbidden otherwise the council of higher evolved beings pushes the delete button again.

btw, just to act out on the prejudice that vampires are nasty: didnt blackboard go broke and was the book (el kitab) not their most important tool to leave no child behind?

 

[MorganBlack]

Yeah. About Theosophy. Let's not.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Ah, but without the "harshness" how could one possibly virtue-signal ("I know better than you sheeple because only I have integrity") while piggybacking on someone else’s words/Work, without having the courage to be vulnerable enough to share anything personally experienced?

Honestly Robert, you have to think these things through...

Personally, I think the root of all that kind of behaviour (other than that magicians being self-centred twats ) is that this is a method for reinforcing the chosen belief system. If 'your path' is the only true path, how can anyone else be following a different path with just as much success? What is the use of a belief system you don't totally believe in? So, no, MY PATH IS THE ONLY PATH etc.

 

[WonderFire]

I never got the impression that Aquino left the LHP, more like he found better philosophical grounding for it.

 

[Fracula]

The monk who rejects the world consciously (not all of them do) is doing precisely the same work as the black magician who says "I won't be what Madison Avenue wants me to be" (again, not all of them do so consciously). Both are declaring separation and independence from installed, automatic thinking. For a while they do different things with that independence, but the starting dynamic, the shift in consciousness, is the same. In the same way, once the trappings are stripped away, an identical condition exists behind both the Vampyre and the Sufi, it's just that one is that condition viewed through the lens of Byron and Anne Rice and the other is that condition viewed through the lens of a culture where those qualities were honoured with silks and wine rather than demonised. At their core they are the same state of being. In a way, Vampyrism is Sufism. I'm not talking here about edgy preying on others or "goth HOA" (funny!) but about working with yearning, desire, sensuality, isolation, beauty, separation from/union with the Source, etc.

whoa dude, you are really clever and intresting!

this reminded me of the film brotherhood of the wolf and the tradition were werewolves worked for God in visionary states. I think dogs of God or walkers or something they were called in Italy.

 

[Morell]

whoa dude, you are really clever and intresting!

this reminded me of the film brotherhood of the wolf and the tradition were werewolves worked for God in visionary states. I think dogs of God or walkers or something they were called in Italy.

You mention some interesting stuff there yourself. Never heard of the Dogs of God. Sounds cool.