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I just started reading Dion Fortunes "The Mystical Qabbalah" and it says that Qabbalah was revealed to the Chosen people of Israel through Angels, I did not knew this, Ive heard few stories about how it was revealed but not this one, I think one of this stories Ive heard was that the Hebrew people learned it in Egypt.
What do you know about this topic guys?
Many ancient cultures had their magic or vocabulary given by angels or spiritual forces. An example can be seen in Odin with the magical runic alphabet. These kinds of common myths are part of universal knowledge; no one is more powerful than others—just choose those that resonate most with your soul. The only thing that truly matters is the knowledge behind it, the archetype. The rest is simply the way different cultures explain it. Qabbalah is not more important or special than runes, and runes are not more important or special than Qabbalah.
"The Mystical Qabalah" is a fine book but let's not forget that Hermetic Qabalism is a very simplified version of Jewish Kabbalah that evolved over centuries into ever more directions and grew ever more complex as authors often contradicted each other and sometimes even themselves, so strictly speaking, there's no such thing as one single, definite Kabbalah to be analysed or believed in. The Qabalah Dion Fortune learned from her teacher Theodore Moriarty is a streamlined version combining several Jewish Kabbalistic strands at the expense of others (for example Isaac Luria's teachings), also adding far-fetched correspondences that would have appalled the old rabbis, e.g with tarot cards or pagan planets/gods, like equalling Hod with Mercury or Netzach with Venus. The Hermetic Qabalah's greatest achievement is probably the famous Tree of Life glyph, and I've yet to find out if it was even used in Jewish Kabbalah - it's probably the result of Christian Cabalah and printing, since an intricate glyph like the Tree of Life would likely be garbled and distorted in the manual copying of ancient manuscripts. Dion Fortune more or less codified Hermetic Qabalah and turned disparate mystical philosophies centered on the Torah, Talmud, Mishna etc. into one single independent and workable occult system.
However, it's true that some Kabbalistic teachings have come about as a result of revelation from above. Several Kabbalistic rabbis claimed to have been taught be ancient prophets (Elijah was a favorite) and
or mentor angel (maggid later came to mean 'preacher'). Isaac Luria was said to commune regularly with angels when he studied the Zohar on an island in the Nile in Egypt in the 16th century but any attempts to link the Jewish Kabbalah to the Jewish Captivity in Egypt (which many scholars say never happened anyway) or the 'wisdom of the pharaos' are ridiculous. When the Jewish Kabbalah began to emerge in late 12th century Provence, the Egyptians had been Muslims for hundreds of years; as early as at the time of the Greek Magical Papyri (2nd - 7th century AD), there was nobody left in Egypt who was able to read or write hieroglyphics.
So well, yeah, angels were involved at certain stages of the Kabbalah's transmisson too.
Many ancient cultures had their magic or vocabulary given by angels or spiritual forces. An example can be seen in Odin with the magical runic alphabet. These kinds of common myths are part of universal knowledge; no one is more powerful than others—just choose those that resonate most with your soul. The only thing that truly matters is the knowledge behind it, the archetype. The rest is simply the way different cultures explain it. Qabbalah is not more important or special than runes, and runes are not more important or special than Qabbalah.
Thank you, I personally work with Greek Qabbalah but the system I used is not for beginners so I am studying from Israel Regardie or Dion Fortune, etc. Greek Qabbalah is what personally resonates to me.
"The Mystical Qabalah" is a fine book but let's not forget that Hermetic Qabalism is a very simplified version of Jewish Kabbalah that evolved over centuries into ever more directions and grew ever more complex as authors often contradicted each other and sometimes even themselves, so strictly speaking, there's no such thing as one single, definite Kabbalah to be analysed or believed in. The Qabalah Dion Fortune learned from her teacher Theodore Moriarty is a streamlined version combining several Jewish Kabbalistic strands at the expense of others (for example Isaac Luria's teachings), also adding far-fetched correspondences that would have appalled the old rabbis, e.g with tarot cards or pagan planets/gods, like equalling Hod with Mercury or Netzach with Venus. The Hermetic Qabalah's greatest achievement is probably the famous Tree of Life glyph, and I've yet to find out if it was even used in Jewish Kabbalah - it's probably the result of Christian Cabalah and printing, since an intricate glyph like the Tree of Life would likely be garbled and distorted in the manual copying of ancient manuscripts. Dion Fortune more or less codified Hermetic Qabalah and turned disparate mystical philosophies centered on the Torah, Talmud, Mishna etc. into one single independent and workable occult system.
However, it's true that some Kabbalistic teachings have come about as a result of revelation from above. Several Kabbalistic rabbis claimed to have been taught be ancient prophets (Elijah was a favorite) and
or mentor angel (maggid later came to mean 'preacher'). Isaac Luria was said to commune regularly with angels when he studied the Zohar on an island in the Nile in Egypt in the 16th century but any attempts to link the Jewish Kabbalah to the Jewish Captivity in Egypt (which many scholars say never happened anyway) or the 'wisdom of the pharaos' are ridiculous. When the Jewish Kabbalah began to emerge in late 12th century Provence, the Egyptians had been Muslims for hundreds of years; as early as at the time of the Greek Magical Papyri (2nd - 7th century AD), there was nobody left in Egypt who was able to read or write hieroglyphics.
So well, yeah, angels were involved at certain stages of the Kabbalah's transmisson too.
Thanks man, I am still unaware of many facts about occultism and well I better ask people who know than just belive everything any book might say, I am very sckeptic but since I got attacked with black magick or witchcraft or who knows what, I am truly searching for Hermetic White Magick.
If you seriously want to study authentic Jewish Kabbalah, there’s a post here with some really solid recommendations.
Check the comment by @Frater BIA
at the bottom of the post — it explains everything in detail. (Many of these works are available here on WZ in the Book Shares section).
Dion Fortune writes about Western Kabbalah — it can’t really be compared to Jewish Kabbalah.
It’s only enough to get a very basic and partial understanding of a few real Kabbalistic concepts.
I’d start with “Inner Space: Introduction to Kabbalah, Meditation and Prophecy” by Aryeh Kaplan.
If you seriously want to study authentic Jewish Kabbalah, there’s a post here with some really solid recommendations.
Check the comment by @Frater BIA
at the bottom of the post — it explains everything in detail. (Many of these works are available here on WZ in the Book Shares section).
Dion Fortune writes about Western Kabbalah — it can’t really be compared to Jewish Kabbalah.
It’s only enough to get a very basic and partial understanding of a few real Kabbalistic concepts.
I’d start with “Inner Space: Introduction to Kabbalah, Meditation and Prophecy” by Aryeh Kaplan.
I dont know if I really would like to learn Jewish Kabbalah, I do watch a jewish rabbi on YouTube and he is very good with his teachings, has a huge channel and he is also from Spain, I am from Mexico so we use same language, but Dion Fortune and even the Aurum Solis (the Order books I study and practice) explain that the West modify the Kabbalah, and that this modern Hermetic Qabbalah is better than the old Jewish Kabbalah, so I dont really want to read, I mean I have the Zohar and Sepher Yetzirah in things I want to read, but I have not gotten then chance, in fact I started the Zohar, in spanish with commentaries and I liked it, but I stopped and continue a more Hermetic Magick approach on my readings.
I dont know if I really would like to learn Jewish Kabbalah, I do watch a jewish rabbi on YouTube and he is very good with his teachings, has a huge channel and he is also from Spain, I am from Mexico so we use same language, but Dion Fortune and even the Aurum Solis (the Order books I study and practice) explain that the West modify the Kabbalah, and that this modern Hermetic Qabbalah is better than the old Jewish Kabbalah, so I dont really want to read, I mean I have the Zohar and Sepher Yetzirah in things I want to read, but I have not gotten then chance, in fact I started the Zohar, in spanish with commentaries and I liked it, but I stopped and continue a more Hermetic Magick approach on my readings.
I think a lot depends on your goals, your inclinations, and the time you’re willing to dedicate to studying Kabbalah. For me, it actually worked out almost the opposite way: I first studied Tarot, Crowley, Western magical systems, Christian magic and mysticism, runes, and the mythologies of the Scandinavians, Slavs, and ancient Greeks. I tried white magic practices and planetary magic—but none of it gave me what I was looking for. It was only in Jewish Kabbalah that I found what I had been searching for since I was 17.
So, strictly speaking, this is just my personal view: Western Qabbalah feels more like a substitute compared to the depth of authentic Kabbalah. But I didn’t walk this path alone—I am fortunate to have a Rav(mentor), and without guidance, I definitely wouldn’t have managed.
One thing to keep in mind: without at least a basic knowledge of Hebrew—the ability to read—it’s very difficult to study Kabbalah properly. The good news is that learning to read is actually quite manageable. Beyond that, if this truly is your path, it will open up before you.
Also, it’s worth remembering that Kabbalah is basically the top layer of Judaism—the deepest, most mystical part of it.
A deep understanding of Kabbalah involves familiarity with Judaism, Jewish traditions and spiritual practice. Technically, you could study Kabbalah without immersing yourself in Judaism, based solely on Christian knowledge but in that case, you will remain at a more superficial level and miss much of the depth of the teachings.
Yes, and more. A very important principle: The teachings are woven into the fabric of reality. They're not deep in a way which is hidden. Kabbalah is everywhere in everything.
... when creating, the Blessed Holiness, "world"... it reflected within "Torah" , and is creating "world".
"world" and "Torah" are in quotes because these are not literal translations.
The Aramaic word which most translate into English as "world", carries an etymological connotation of hiddeness from its shoresh. "Almah" in Aramaic includes both the revealed and hidden aspects of reality. It's complete, inclusive of all realms, "es hashamayim v'es ha'aretz", with only one exception.
The Aramaic word in the Zohar almost everyone translates as "Torah", B'ohraisah, comes from the shoresh, "ohr", "light".
If the source, aka God, embedded teachings, within all of reality, then many will discover them. They're both very deep, but also accessible on the surface, because these teachings are luminous, like light.
Hello! Sunnylil
Tell me where did find a normal authentic rabbi-rev? O.O
I desperately tried to look for one and found only money craving leeches. First a man from the states who was only interested in selling expensive overpriced torah and zohar courses. Then a representative of a women's midrasha who wanted me to study abroad for an absurd price. I took courses and there was nothing of value. Lectures led nowhere. Nothing practical lol ~.~ ...
I felt sooooo stupid for wasting my last on courses.
Then I found a guy through a friend who taught me practical methods and mentioned this website. Actually me I made some serious progress. He taught me to intensely work with the psalms by reading all 150 every day. Then Torah. Lots of long reading sessions and a very powerful approach. This gave me real spiritual effects!!
You're sooo lucky if you found a normal one who actually gave you useful advice. One guy said women shouldn't learn the zohar, torah. Horrible people... Only want cash and give you useless general courses without value ....
.....then attempt to sell you another worthless course. In East Europe no rabbis or kabbala teachers.
Please forgive this point of clarification. I'm not correcting you, but, I think it's important for anyone reading the thread:
The woman is absolutely free to learn. The halacha ( Jewish Law ) prohibits a man from teaching a woman. Beyond that, in a traditional Jewish home, it would be completely impractical for a woman to prohibited from learning Torah, because, the woman is the one who is teaching the young children Torah as a way of life. For advanced topics, the halacha is: women teach women, men teach men, but there are almost always exceptions.
Early days when it all began. There was a time I looked for information online. During these explorations I discovered a lot of websites where they did ask for exorbitant fees. I understand time costs and the teacher has bills to pay. Plus a good teacher could be worth it.
A few videos on the sites were free. I noticed how some of them seemed to waste time on purpose. I can't remember where though. This happened so many years ago.
I think mr @Ziran is a great specialist who can teach and point some directions. Great knowledge.
That "all 150" method is incredible.
It really is effective and I call it my cornerstone. It's great but there's a risk of overloading the mind. It involves so much energy and information processing. It's very important to pay attention to the spiritual states at all times. These states will change. There's a very thin line between the good and the bad effects. There are many potential side effects. It can make you unstable, angry, aggressive and drained. There are so many factors from the overall spiritual openness to the other side prayers you work with. Everything can change faster than you can imagine.
It needs caution and this is especially so at the beginning. The senses and sensitivity will increase by 1000%. Nothing feels the same. Upon reaching the first 1000 completions there will be new levels and upgrades.
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There were some people. I taught them the method. A long comprehensive guide including the side effects and warnings. A couple of them thought it was a great idea to do double 150's, not just the doubles but all the way to quads and pentas. This made them learn a new meaning to what side effects can get triggered. For most people that shouldn't be attempted for years. Yes for sure some day you can experiment but not after or during your first month.
The aggression and jittery mind took weeks to stabilize.
The same scenario can occur to somebody who does just one for weeks. The human mind is full of surprises. Since everybody is different it's hard to determine what could possibly happen.
So glad more of this information is available. My family is Jewish, Anglo, and Mexican-American Texicans, but it's not like when growing up I could tell what was the "real" Kabbalah. Hermetic Qaballa (Qabala-hah-hahaa?) , while a very late Christianized version, is still pretty great, in a breezy Chao-mode but still useful sense.
I think it is important to understand a little about Fortune's background in relation to the general material history of Kabbalah. Her vector was psychological but also under the influence of Blavatsky, like most thinkers of her time. Her brief stint in the Golden Dawn is pretty much reflected in The Mystical Qabala, and all the correspondences she gives are mostly derived from them - probably with direct influence from Moina Mathers, as in the color scales.
The historical relations of Qabala and Kabbalah (since we like out variant transliterations) are a subject of interest for me, but I find it a bit exhausting atm. I came across notions that GD Qabala is still in fact Lurianic, but modified to suit the sort of post-Hegelian 19th century undercurrent lines of thinking intent on fusing many paths into something more "scientific". That is, over and against the hard empiricist positivism that ran as a current through science at the time, but which eventually collapsed in the face of a more organic process philosophy and peak demonstration of mechanistic thinking that found its way onto the battlefields of World War 1.
Anyways, a lot to unpack there, a lot more details to add, especially in the regards of efforts to appear legitimate in the face of real or perceived dominant skepticism.
But back to GD style and Fortune's - what I have come across is that, in spite of Blavatky's influence, much of the system was derived by Mathers through his translation of The Kabbalah Denudata of Christian Knorr von Rosenroth. I have not had a chance to peruse this work, as there is so much material on my plate - but consider it just an aspect of development. While Mathers translation is considered terrible by academics I have heard talk about it, von Rosenroth's work was his own translation of Lurianic materials for Christian audiences. The fusion of Hermetic and Gnostic ideas and figures, I think was for the GD to develop a workable system of magic and initiation of which Fortune was an inheritor. But the malleability of interpretations - my opinion here - is reflective of the general syncretic trends (think Hegelian sythesis, if you like) that go all the way back to the Ancient Near East.
The myth of Angels giving Kabbalah to humans to me, while taken literally by many, I think is just another example of Aggadah, and can be considered figuratively in light of the Kabbalistic process of return. I often joke to myself that if one were to take all the grimoires and such that were given to Adam when he shuffled out of Eden with his bum stinging from a Flaming Sword slap, then he would look like a middle school kid with a heavy backpack in danger of developing a forward head posture malady.
But with regards to Jewish Kabbalah in the historical material sense, I tend to relate the gradual developments toward the French and Spanish explosion to the attempt to reclaim methods of Isrealite prophecy which had been lost with the destruction of the Jewish Temple by the Romans. This really has nothing to do with Fortune's project, but I think it is helpful in tracing the general development of Kabbalah, but this among other things. It really is a vast subject.
I could but can't dive deeper other than to point out that in Regardie's The Golden Dawn there is an illustraiton (Moina's) showing "The Fall" - the Sheverat ha-Kelim - mixed with Apocalyptic symbolism as well as equating the Shekinah with the Pistis Sophia. All of this is meant, I think, to be a creative suggestion and not dogma, though Victorians tended to write dogmatically, even egoistically, and I imagine discussions over inaccuracies among them would have been interesting if not downright Machiavellian.
I think a lot depends on your goals, your inclinations, and the time you’re willing to dedicate to studying Kabbalah. For me, it actually worked out almost the opposite way: I first studied Tarot, Crowley, Western magical systems, Christian magic and mysticism, runes, and the mythologies of the Scandinavians, Slavs, and ancient Greeks. I tried white magic practices and planetary magic—but none of it gave me what I was looking for. It was only in Jewish Kabbalah that I found what I had been searching for since I was 17.
So, strictly speaking, this is just my personal view: Western Qabbalah feels more like a substitute compared to the depth of authentic Kabbalah. But I didn’t walk this path alone—I am fortunate to have a Rav(mentor), and without guidance, I definitely wouldn’t have managed.
One thing to keep in mind: without at least a basic knowledge of Hebrew—the ability to read—it’s very difficult to study Kabbalah properly. The good news is that learning to read is actually quite manageable. Beyond that, if this truly is your path, it will open up before you.
Also, it’s worth remembering that Kabbalah is basically the top layer of Judaism—the deepest, most mystical part of it.
A deep understanding of Kabbalah involves familiarity with Judaism, Jewish traditions and spiritual practice. Technically, you could study Kabbalah without immersing yourself in Judaism, based solely on Christian knowledge but in that case, you will remain at a more superficial level and miss much of the depth of the teachings.
Thank you for sharing man, I think I will consider going deep into it (the Hebrew Kabbalah), I mean I dont really know what am I doing because I dont have a teacher, I have books from Magical Orders and they help and guide me but is not the same as to have a real teacher.
I actually want to learn Greek Qabbalah from the Aurum Solis but it looks like there is not a lot of info about it, I mean I could join but I dont have the money to do so, so maybe I can work around the Hebrew Kabbalah and learn from the Aurum Solis what they teach about Greek Qabbalah, is weird because Dion Fortune says that "the West" has evolved the teachings and in here some people say that true classic Kabbalah is better, so is confusing, I got people telling me in Reddits Golden Dawn sub that all of Fortunes books are worth reading, and I have a witch friend that also practice High Magick that tells me she works with the Golden Dawn system and that she loves it.
Hi, Mariest!
My path has been far from easy. And I can truly imagine the kinds of challenges and tests you’ve had to face. There are not only those hungry for money — the obvious charlatans or people who dwell in the gray zone — but also those who, figuratively speaking, might want to take your soul.
I was very careful when someone appeared eager to become my mentor. Always asked myself: Why is he doing this? Is it truly for the sake of Truth? Or perhaps in the name of his own deity? And who, exactly, is that deity?
For instance, among followers of Western Qabbalah, there are many who openly revere the Qliphoth or demonic forces. I once studied the theory remotely with some Russian Qabbalists — many of them served Lilith, the goddess Babylon, and worked primarily with the Qliphoth. They’re often willing to teach for free, but you need to discern whether that path is really yours.
They usually talk only about the benefits and “powers” one can gain from studying with them, but rarely about the price that must be paid. Some even hide it at first. I’ve bought such courses myself. From experience, I realized that a course is worthwhile only if the teacher is truly well-educated — with a broad understanding of religion, philosophy, and psychology.
If it’s a course from a “pure practitioner,” someone who lacks that foundation, it’s almost pointless. They rely on their personal spiritual channel, but their teachings are mostly empty words — they can’t really explain anything or transmit what they have through a screen.
Those who are genuinely educated, at least, can explain things consciously and coherently.
Please don’t be hard on yourself for trusting certain promises.
Every step has its purpose, and through those experiences you’ve already learned how to recognize gold among straw.
And when you meet your true mentor — you’ll simply know.
Then I found a guy through a friend who taught me practical methods and mentioned this website. Actually me I made some serious progress. He taught me to intensely work with the psalms by reading all 150 every day. Then Torah. Lots of long reading sessions and a very powerful approach. This gave me real spiritual effects!!
That’s wonderful — you already have real experience and results. I would keep exploring that direction. Do you explore Kabbalistic texts on your own too?
Studying the Torah — both Written and Oral — brings amazing results, especially when done daily. It also helps to follow genuine rabbis whose spirit resonates with you, especially those who also read lectures on Kabbalah. Many have excellent YouTube channels.
Once I heard a phrase that really stayed with me:
“If someone calls himself a Kabbalist but doesn’t know the Written and Oral Torah, or Halakhah — he’s not a good Kabbalist.”
That’s why I avoid channels that speak only about Kabbalah.
Reading all the Psalms in a row is indeed a powerful practice. Which language do you read them in? Have you tried Hebrew?
But as @Amadeus warned (as far as I know, he has a deep daily practice of reading Psalms for several hours)
That "all 150" method is incredible.
It really is effective and I call it my cornerstone. It's great but there's a risk of overloading the mind. It involves so much energy and information processing. It's very important to pay attention to the spiritual states at all times. These states will change. There's a very thin line between the good and the bad effects. There are many potential side effects. It can make you unstable, angry, aggressive and drained.
Hi, Mariest!
My path has been far from easy. And I can truly imagine the kinds of challenges and tests you’ve had to face. There are not only those hungry for money — the obvious charlatans or people who dwell in the gray zone — but also those who, figuratively speaking, might want to take your soul.
I was very careful when someone appeared eager to become my mentor. Always asked myself: Why is he doing this? Is it truly for the sake of Truth? Or perhaps in the name of his own deity? And who, exactly, is that deity?
For instance, among followers of Western Qabbalah, there are many who openly revere the Qliphoth or demonic forces. I once studied the theory remotely with some Russian Qabbalists — many of them served Lilith, the goddess Babylon, and worked primarily with the Qliphoth. They’re often willing to teach for free, but you need to discern whether that path is really yours.
They usually talk only about the benefits and “powers” one can gain from studying with them, but rarely about the price that must be paid. Some even hide it at first. I’ve bought such courses myself. From experience, I realized that a course is worthwhile only if the teacher is truly well-educated — with a broad understanding of religion, philosophy, and psychology.
If it’s a course from a “pure practitioner,” someone who lacks that foundation, it’s almost pointless. They rely on their personal spiritual channel, but their teachings are mostly empty words — they can’t really explain anything or transmit what they have through a screen.
Those who are genuinely educated, at least, can explain things consciously and coherently.
Mariest1778 said:
I felt sooooo stupid for wasting my last on courses
Please don’t be hard on yourself for trusting certain promises.
Every step has its purpose, and through those experiences you’ve already learned how to recognize gold among straw.
And when you meet your true mentor — you’ll simply know.
Mariest1778 said:
Then I found a guy through a friend who taught me practical methods and mentioned this website. Actually me I made some serious progress. He taught me to intensely work with the psalms by reading all 150 every day. Then Torah. Lots of long reading sessions and a very powerful approach. This gave me real spiritual effects!!
That’s wonderful — you already have real experience and results. I would keep exploring that direction. Do you explore Kabbalistic texts on your own too?
Studying the Torah — both Written and Oral — brings amazing results, especially when done daily. It also helps to follow genuine rabbis whose spirit resonates with you, especially those who also read lectures on Kabbalah. Many have excellent YouTube channels.
Once I heard a phrase that really stayed with me:
“If someone calls himself a Kabbalist but doesn’t know the Written and Oral Torah, or Halakhah — he’s not a good Kabbalist.”
That’s why I avoid channels that speak only about Kabbalah.
Reading all the Psalms in a row is indeed a powerful practice. Which language do you read them in? Have you tried Hebrew?
But as @Amadeus warned (as far as I know, he has a deep daily practice of reading Psalms for several hours)
Amadeus said:
That "all 150" method is incredible.
It really is effective and I call it my cornerstone. It's great but there's a risk of overloading the mind. It involves so much energy and information processing. It's very important to pay attention to the spiritual states at all times. These states will change. There's a very thin line between the good and the bad effects. There are many potential side effects. It can make you unstable, angry, aggressive and drained.
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— I wrote it a bit earlier, just to avoid repeating myself.
It’s absolutely possible to study for free on YouTube, especially through the channels of genuine rabbis, and also by learning directly from the Kabbalistic texts yourself.
It does take time, but it’s truly a lifelong journey.
It used be my main for a long time but I decided to switch it for the other practices instead. Nowadays it's more about going for streaks, 3-90 days and some other experiments. Before it was the same thing year to year with some switching.
I can't remember whether we spoke about it back in the day or not but I was looking for something with more depth and stronger spiritually fulfilling effects. At some point I received guidance that pointed out to make a switch from the PS and Torah to hesychasm and gospels, also some liturgy texts. The guidance came several times through visions and dreams and it was a direct answer. I kept asking for specific guidance. I was also very tired of the psalms. The same thing over and over again.
These practices also take a lot every day but the effects are much deeper. It's hard to describe what goes on but it's like the psalms and the eucharist multiplied energy wise.
The spiritual fire burns brighter and you don't get drained at all. They bring in an enormous charge instead of taking it all out. It's a whole different story.
The psalms can cause a couple of problems. Psalms are what I call fire without the wood. They use up a lot of your own energy. Yes they can bring in more too but it's hard to explain.
They make you very sensitive to a point where the barrier disappears and everything flows through. Sensitivity is nice but not at that level. It's about like ... Imagine yourself as a bowling ball. With every continuously spammed 150 the top (head, top chakras) become thinner, until the paint comes off.
This also means potential problems. It doesn't happen when you do a bit but when it's done continuously something might go wrong. It breaks the veils, one by one. Then there's fire that comes in unfiltered but because you are throwing out more than what comes in, the system will exhaust and there will be a certain leakage type of a problem. Easy access through the burnt spiritual engine. You can get noticed by something not so nice who won't say no to a feast.
It was around January 2025 (I think, not sure) when I helped somebody get rid of a possession caused by the openness which surprise-surprise came from excessive psalm spamming.
The other practices I call them fire+wood. Energy comes in and also fills you. There's a great sensitivity as well but the overall state is better.
I could be wrong, maybe it's just me but then again the others are describing similar effects. I can't really find enough people to discuss these things with. There are some every now and then but not enough. It's hard to find crazy enough people who are into spiritual lobotomy techniques
The aggression can be conquered but it will only get easier after 5-10 years of daily spamming. It isn't just the rage and aggression but a rollercoaster with mood swings where the good is multiplied, but so is the bad. Despair, sorrows, sadness. I started feeling more stable a little before 2020. Before that things often went awfully wrong. 2007/2010-2017 lots of problems, 2018-2019 less, by 2020 finally better. Unpredictable, everyone is different.
The rage factor sometimes has to do with the reading speed. If you spend prolonged sessions in a hype mode, chances are you start feeling it at some point. Especially when you go through the PS in 1:45-2 hours.
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I think the processing unit can't handle either, both the energy and the information. There's also no shortcut in there. Nothing other than to keep going. That's if you have a goal related to working very actively with the hot texts. There must be a lot of motivation and an obsession to drive the engine. Without that inner desire it won't work.
For instance, among followers of Western Qabbalah, there are many who openly revere the Qliphoth or demonic forces. I once studied the theory remotely with some Russian Qabbalists — many of them served Lilith, the goddess Babylon, and worked primarily with the Qliphoth. They’re often willing to teach for free, but you need to discern whether that path is really yours.
There are some people who happily teach strange methods without a cost. Perhaps they suggest doing some strange rituals you can't find anywhere. What they want is to find donors to the beings they work with. The person might get some help or what people refer to as a loan. At first it seems good but after a while the debt collectors come. Something starts going awfully wrong. There can be such who benefit energy wise from the students. Almost always there's something very untraditional mixed into the practices. I've heard it's very common in Russia.
It used be my main for a long time but I decided to switch it for the other practices instead. Nowadays it's more about going for streaks, 3-90 days and some other experiments. Before it was the same thing year to year with some switching.
Oh, I didn’t know you’d moved away from the Psalms! I’m really happy that you found what you were looking for and that this practice actually gives you the results you wanted. I remember you mentioning that you were trying Hesychasm — sounds like you’ve really gone deeper. Schemamonks really did reach some astonishing levels.
Before I started studying Kabbalah, I tried Hesychasm a few times myself, but it just didn’t feel like my path.
With the Psalms, my anger went away when I started reading them in Hebrew. I’ve never read anywhere near the amounts you did — usually just about an hour to an hour and a half, sometimes up to two.
Interesting thing is, if I ever read them in Russian, the anger comes back. But I almost never feel the urge to read in Russian anymore — it just feels… not authentic.
The person might get some help or what people refer to as a loan. At first it seems good but after a while the debt collectors come. Something starts going awfully wrong. There can be such who benefit energy wise from the students. Almost always there's something very untraditional mixed into the practices. I've heard it's very common in Russia.
In Russia, people love this “explosive mix” — Christian magic, folk magic, cemetery magic, pagan gods (both Slavic and Scandinavian), and bits of Qabbalah. Somehow, they manage to mix them.
Does it work? Sure. But it’s pure klipot. That’s why when people pay for rituals, they often end up giving more than just money — usually without even realizing it.
Oh, I didn’t know you’d moved away from the Psalms! I’m really happy that you found what you were looking for and that this practice actually gives you the results you wanted.
The psalms can take away anger and rage or they can bring it in. The long ritual favored by the kabbalists and monks, is the only one worth it. The mystical effects of it are unique. There's a beginning and also an end. With the random strategies something appears to be incomplete. The random strategies can give the worst anger. Long one creates borders and the liquid like energy comes in. Random doesn't have a solid structure.
Sometimes one language or version works better. Then again all that might change after a while. Maybe after 100 days or 100 completions it's a whole different story. A lot of trial and error is required to get to the core. Hebrew, Greek, Old church Slavonic, maybe the KJV or NKJV, Jewish TLV.
Actually with the psalms and other practices. I call it prioritization. What I have always done, I've prioritized one practice as the main, something else as the side and also third set of experiments. Prioritization and streaks. The psalms are still there but the % is much lower than before. The new techniques I developed give a supreme state of peace and harmony.
The rabbis have made statements that if we knew the benefits we'd be reading them all the time. To maintain the connection I keep them in.
The reason why hesychasm doesn't work well has to do with the overall openness, connection and the hidden milestones. If you want to fully connect with it, there's a method but it needs retreats and very long sessions. First time I felt guided to it was in maybe end of 2014 or 2015. I experimented but kept it more of a side thing. Psalms were still there as the main, along with the Torah.
The method to unlocking something about hesychasm is spending at least a week in a non stop mode This means 12-16 hours a day. Something will click on and you will feel an overwhelming amount of energy. It will echo back even during the sleep. The energy charge is so strong that you wake up much earlier feeling refreshed.
It's really important to start from less or it will probably burn the whole mind down, I didn't touch it before the first guidance, this was after a lot of work with the psalms and the Torah. Some study of the Zohar.
There's a similar method with the Hebrew god names. They can be read also with the beads, the same way. There are sentences and single names. It's a valid and a good method for tuning in. I'm not sure how common it is but the Sufis also are known for working with their names and sentences. It helps a lot with the practices
Read about this one. It's one of those mystical sentences. Form of the secret divine names, according to certain Jewish mystical traditions. This is one that can be used as a repetitive prayer.
Anaktam pastam paspasim dionsim. Some guides say dionisim. You better look it up on the Jewish sites, longer descriptions.
Something like this requires daily work, then a certain unlock value. There are levels. The same thing here, a lot of processing. Anything that falls under the noetic repetitive prayer style, take it easy, 30-60 mins a day until you feel ready for more. At some point the retreats will give life changing experiences.
With anything noetic and repetitive though you have to remember that switching between them can be quite difficult. There's something about connecting with one stream of "water" and also overlapping until the other takes over. This is also one of those things that can change over the years. Might be easy to switch around for the first x years and then very difficult.
It's actually an awfully long story but I hope this tiny bit helps a little.
Interesting thing is, if I ever read them in Russian, the anger comes back. But I almost never feel the urge to read in Russian anymore — it just feels… not authentic.
Hi, Mariest!
My path has been far from easy. And I can truly imagine the kinds of challenges and tests you’ve had to face. There are not only those hungry for money — the obvious charlatans or people who dwell in the gray zone — but also those who, figuratively speaking, might want to take your soul.
I was very careful when someone appeared eager to become my mentor. Always asked myself: Why is he doing this? Is it truly for the sake of Truth? Or perhaps in the name of his own deity? And who, exactly, is that deity?
For instance, among followers of Western Qabbalah, there are many who openly revere the Qliphoth or demonic forces. I once studied the theory remotely with some Russian Qabbalists — many of them served Lilith, the goddess Babylon, and worked primarily with the Qliphoth. They’re often willing to teach for free, but you need to discern whether that path is really yours.
They usually talk only about the benefits and “powers” one can gain from studying with them, but rarely about the price that must be paid. Some even hide it at first. I’ve bought such courses myself. From experience, I realized that a course is worthwhile only if the teacher is truly well-educated — with a broad understanding of religion, philosophy, and psychology.
If it’s a course from a “pure practitioner,” someone who lacks that foundation, it’s almost pointless. They rely on their personal spiritual channel, but their teachings are mostly empty words — they can’t really explain anything or transmit what they have through a screen.
Those who are genuinely educated, at least, can explain things consciously and coherently.
Please don’t be hard on yourself for trusting certain promises.
Every step has its purpose, and through those experiences you’ve already learned how to recognize gold among straw.
And when you meet your true mentor — you’ll simply know.
That’s wonderful — you already have real experience and results. I would keep exploring that direction. Do you explore Kabbalistic texts on your own too?
Studying the Torah — both Written and Oral — brings amazing results, especially when done daily. It also helps to follow genuine rabbis whose spirit resonates with you, especially those who also read lectures on Kabbalah. Many have excellent YouTube channels.
Once I heard a phrase that really stayed with me:
“If someone calls himself a Kabbalist but doesn’t know the Written and Oral Torah, or Halakhah — he’s not a good Kabbalist.”
That’s why I avoid channels that speak only about Kabbalah.
Reading all the Psalms in a row is indeed a powerful practice. Which language do you read them in? Have you tried Hebrew?
But as @Amadeus warned (as far as I know, he has a deep daily practice of reading Psalms for several hours)
I felt the same — when I used to practice Qabbalah and read psalms in Russian, I experienced a lot of aggression, rage. It was hard to handle.
I know — I’ve heard that false idea too. Later I realized it’s completely untrue. Please check out this playlist — it’s an excellent lecture series.
Hi, Mariest!
My path has been far from easy. And I can truly imagine the kinds of challenges and tests you’ve had to face. There are not only those hungry for money — the obvious charlatans or people who dwell in the gray zone — but also those who, figuratively speaking, might want to take your soul.
I was very careful when someone appeared eager to become my mentor. Always asked myself: Why is he doing this? Is it truly for the sake of Truth? Or perhaps in the name of his own deity? And who, exactly, is that deity?
For instance, among followers of Western Qabbalah, there are many who openly revere the Qliphoth or demonic forces. I once studied the theory remotely with some Russian Qabbalists — many of them served Lilith, the goddess Babylon, and worked primarily with the Qliphoth. They’re often willing to teach for free, but you need to discern whether that path is really yours.
They usually talk only about the benefits and “powers” one can gain from studying with them, but rarely about the price that must be paid. Some even hide it at first. I’ve bought such courses myself. From experience, I realized that a course is worthwhile only if the teacher is truly well-educated — with a broad understanding of religion, philosophy, and psychology.
If it’s a course from a “pure practitioner,” someone who lacks that foundation, it’s almost pointless. They rely on their personal spiritual channel, but their teachings are mostly empty words — they can’t really explain anything or transmit what they have through a screen.
Those who are genuinely educated, at least, can explain things consciously and coherently.
Please don’t be hard on yourself for trusting certain promises.
Every step has its purpose, and through those experiences you’ve already learned how to recognize gold among straw.
And when you meet your true mentor — you’ll simply know.
That’s wonderful — you already have real experience and results. I would keep exploring that direction. Do you explore Kabbalistic texts on your own too?
Studying the Torah — both Written and Oral — brings amazing results, especially when done daily. It also helps to follow genuine rabbis whose spirit resonates with you, especially those who also read lectures on Kabbalah. Many have excellent YouTube channels.
Once I heard a phrase that really stayed with me:
“If someone calls himself a Kabbalist but doesn’t know the Written and Oral Torah, or Halakhah — he’s not a good Kabbalist.”
That’s why I avoid channels that speak only about Kabbalah.
Reading all the Psalms in a row is indeed a powerful practice. Which language do you read them in? Have you tried Hebrew?
But as @Amadeus warned (as far as I know, he has a deep daily practice of reading Psalms for several hours)
I felt the same — when I used to practice Qabbalah and read psalms in Russian, I experienced a lot of aggression, rage. It was hard to handle.
I know — I’ve heard that false idea too. Later I realized it’s completely untrue. Please check out this playlist — it’s an excellent lecture series.
— I wrote it a bit earlier, just to avoid repeating myself.
It’s absolutely possible to study for free on YouTube, especially through the channels of genuine rabbis, and also by learning directly from the Kabbalistic texts yourself.
It does take time, but it’s truly a lifelong journey.
Western magic can indeed be effective — Qabbalah combined with planetary and Christian magic can lead to tangible results.
However, in Western Qabbalah, these results often come through the Qliphoth. It really depends on what your goals are.
That’s just what I’ve seen from my own experience and from people I’ve spoken with who practice it. But I could be wrong.
I think @Ziran could give you a clearer perspective on the risks, benefits, and challenges of Western Qabbalah.
My own experience isn’t deep enough to answer that properly — I’m simply sharing what I’ve observed and learned from others.
In the books that I practice there is an exercise to connect with the Higher Self and to close the Aura for Psychic Selfdefense which involve the first 8 Psalms and that they correspond the the Planetary Sephiroth, the first Psalm corresponds to Earth/Malkuth and the 8th one corresponds to Saturn/Binah, I think it is called "The Kathisma", I could also have 8 candles with the colors of the respective Sephiroth and light them up every time I read a Psalm.
This exercise is from Ogdoadic Magick book by the Ordo Aurum Solis, can you tell me anything about this kind of practice please, I actually read the Psalms in spanish because I could not do so in Hebrew.
