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What the New Age gets right

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-Manifestation. Despite the Secret's vapid packaging, you would find many more people with measurable material success having used manifestation than people attaining the equivalent using grimoires. In fact, the general pattern with those utilizing 'spirits' is for one problem to be solved, and another to pop up to keep the hamster wheel moving.

-Ascension. While the overwhelming majority of material related to ascension (usually 'channeled') is completely useless garbage, this wasn't always the case. In the 1990s there appeared in certain obscure new agey byways some very attuned people who created actual physical devices to effectively advance one's evolution. This was truly a precious window of time and I won't speculate here why it closed.
 

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New age is based on real stuff. When internet came, people started really discovering the faiths of the world, as traveling became easier some travelled and gained some knowledge of other faiths and even occult systems.

But what also happened, was that young people after months or short years of learning went home and started teaching what they thought was right, basing on what they understood or didn't understood. Worse yet, people from these "exotic lands" started learning that in the western world people will pay big money for what they do cheap or for free at home. An American dream of sorts drove young people with short knowledge to go abroad to become rich and it was rather easy for them. Not to mention some predators, even some kicked out of their country just to start cults abroad.

So no kidding, you will find grains of truths, but knowledge of them will be most often shallow. And of course some of it will work for some people... especially if they then made a selling out of it.
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…but I 100% agree that 90s and 00s were way more positive times than now.
 

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Sure, I'm not saying most of it isn't just complete junk. But I am saying there were people who had incredible knowledge and skills and I can attest to that from my own usage of their inventions.
I'm aware that there were some inventions that never got into public. Other are selling, but the damn price...

Please, share with us. I'm interested what you tried and how it went.
 

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My beautiful girlfriend is a New Ager.

What I see in her that they get right is kindness, grace, forgiveness, seeing the best is people. Seeing all life as a learning opportunity. Basically going though life in Lawful Good alignment.

The negatives are a slight victim complex left from classic New Thought that says your manifest your own problems because you're not thinking right.

Manifestation. Yep yep. I thought that stuff was new Age twaddle for a couple of decades. Took me a while to warm up to the word.

I picked up a Neville Goddardian New Thought practice after reading Mitch Horowitz. But after "manifesting" multiple solutions using just my imagination I was like, damn, I guess we really do live in the Matrix.

The effects were different than demons who will "manifest" results in a very nuts-and-bolts, hands-in-the -guts-of-reality sort of way.
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Thinking about it more.

Demons often work like intelligent “spells”. New Thought... just sort of shifts everything at once. It's cool and honestly shocks the fuck out of me more.

It's a little hard to communicate the difference without an example.

Around 2005, my girlfriend at the time worked in a hostile corporate environment, and was being maliciously attacked by one of her office frenemies to drive her out. To protect her, I used it as an opportunity to use a classic spiritual subjugation working. I gave the demon instructions to make them "sit down" and continue until the danger was eliminated.

At first it manifested effects in the target emotionally, as self-doubt. But being a psychopath, I suspect, they shrugged that them emotional off. The demon, which one I do not remember, escalated the attack so they were driven to distraction by petty accidents, so they were out of the office. Eventually it made them very sick so they left. Problem solved.

With normal person my girlfriend's attacker would have just been made to sit down, and take a breather, and been under my thumb. In my view this is the problem with demons. They are relentless and inclined to overkill. Now I tend to only use them when you need a extreme push at a specific place. A whack with a hammer.

With New Thought the effect is like “poof” – suddenly reality shifts and it's just not a problem anymore.

Like, don't wack the car… just get a new car.

And I ain't no New Thought master, but it seem like effects in a sort of generalized way, closer to archangels. Good stuff!

But for a while it sort of weird me out far more than Lovecraftian critters showing up in my living room to do some business.
 
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Manifestation. Yep yep. I thought that stuff was new Age twaddle for a couple of decades. Took me a while to warm up to the word.

I picked up a Neville Goddardian New Thought practice after reading Mitch Horowitz. But after "manifesting" multiple solutions using just my imagination I was like, damn, I guess we really do live in the Matrix.
I may dust off some old copies of William Walker Atkinson but I refuse to ever pick up anything from Neale Donald Walsch. I had to endure Conversations with God on cassette tape while perusing the feminine species who invited me to their Wiccan circle, thought afterwards the pain was relieved, multiple times during that specific detainment.
 

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Interesting, Sabbatius! I keep meaning to read William Walker Atkinson.

Walsch! Gah. Noted! Too much decontexualized God (or even gods) talk still turns me off. Can't do it.

I originally was introduced to this stuff in Shakti Gawain's book that was making the round in the 1980's. But her techniques did not work for me after giving it an honest, concerted effort for months. .Mechanically visualizing your objective in pink balloon FLOATING AWAY from me did nothing.

Now I can see now, from an embodied, felt, lived, immersive feeling it really made no sense to send what want away from you - not that I could articulate why then - but she gave no theory why she was constructing that exercise in that way. Just do this. It was all very intellectual, mechanical, and intrumentalist.

So I wrote it all off. It was only after reading the way Neville Goddard (with Mitch) described it that it got linked up in my head, and I was like holy shit!

What I like about Law of Assumption is how it's presented as just a series of techniques , and not The Trurth (tm) . Nobody fight like packs of feral cats and dogs there like they do on neo-Wiccan occult forms. Neville speaks in "Abrahamaic" but constantly points out the Bible is just metaphor or your own abiilites.
 

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Interesting, Sabbatius! I keep meaning to read William Walker Atkinson.
Just to note, I still find Manifestation work detestable. It ranks up there to Prosperity Gospel teachings found in Mega Box Church Coliseum eyesores.

I completely understand the traditional concept of manifestation work being the core of any esoteric working, and apply the concept to virtually every work I do. However, most of what New Age teachings are simply overpriced positive affirmation work, not manifestation- though both have overlapping ties. The image of these Youtube ladies sitting in their cars discussing how to manifest your dreams in nine easy steps- yeah-nope.
 

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Oh shit, a little too much gross consumerism, eh?

Dammit. In your opinion, is there no spiritual elevation aspect to the practice???

We all start out shallow. Getting your dreams is a valid way to overcome attachments. As a wise man once said, "To destroy a man, make his dreams come true."

In Goetia the "demons" are burning garbage off your soul, but that will not be obvious until you've engaged with these uh, Neoplatonic-Orphic Wrathful Buddhas of the grims (as I think of them) for some time into it.
 

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Oh shit, a little too much gross consumerism, eh?
It's the method. We all manifest. New Age hype painted the imagery into a get-rich-quick scheme. As I have stated in other posts, much of the Plastic Shaman I have to deal with also preach Prosperity Gospel but in the name of Manifestation courses, especially with drumming and sweat lodge circles. Amazing how I had no clue my Tribe used crystals as a focus(we never did, by the way.)
 

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Aaah right right!

Not enough good stories / myth to be bigger. In the more Faustian grims the magician would risk their immortal soul (not really, just good theater) for Love, Wisdom, Wealth and Knowledge. Now it's dreaming up Amazon shopping list (all good, go git some) but not much else.

Also, sorry some of your tribe's native practices got colonized! Fuck.

I see neo-Wiccanism colonizing some Latin, South, and Central American indigenous practices and I'm like, da FUQ? It's all the McDonald's fat and salt and smug they add. And the neoliberal dream to be fancy moderns who know better.
 
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