Choosing the RHP

[AbammonTheGreat]

I just think that there's a misunderstanding between what God is to magicians that utilize it. They get painted with the same brush one paints evangelicals with (which is what the entire LHP current is a reaction to, its an antithesis) and then the magicians that utilize a transcendent personal all-being are painted as part of thesis camp when they more exist in an aloof detached state away from religions. For example, I may utilize the tetragrammaton in conjuration but the power im utilizing is a personal one, which makes it a heresy amongst the religious and to the perpetually-mad-at-moms-religion some type of extension of the religion they hate. When in reality the magician is making an identification with the godform and assuming it. Which is exactly how the original left-hand path (Kaua Tantra) that was misappropriated by western reactionary occultists utilize their practice. There is no difference, its just one sect of the occult camp is endlessly infuriated by anybody utilizing a framework that isn't aesthetically infernal.

 

[MorganBlack]

God help me, I can see where BE is coming from, but it's spoken from within a very limited, low-resolution mind-bubble.

Using those fuzzy-headed, New Age, neo-Theosophical 'LHP' ideas to try to understand theurgic practices is just not very useful. Neither is making up some fake category so you can hallucinate a Four-Color Nemesis in some childish LHP comic-book universe. It's all so stupid it makes my eyes wobble.

But let me say, mythically speaking, as the last Greek god, Jesus is pretty much straight up Hellenic Shiva , destroying all attachments to the world. You don't have to like him, but for Lucifer's sake, crack a book sometime.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I just think that there's a misunderstanding between what God is to magicians that utilize it. They get painted with the same brush one paints evangelicals with (which is what the entire LHP current is a reaction to, its an antithesis) and then the magicians that utilize a transcendent personal all-being are painted as part of thesis camp when they more exist in an aloof detached state away from religions. For example, I may utilize the tetragrammaton in conjuration but the power im utilizing is a personal one, which makes it a heresy amongst the religious and to the perpetually-mad-at-moms-religion some type of extension of the religion they hate. When in reality the magician is making an identification with the godform and assuming it. Which is exactly how the original left-hand path (Kaua Tantra) that was misappropriated by western reactionary occultists utilize their practice. There is no difference, its just one sect of the occult camp is endlessly infuriated by anybody utilizing a framework that isn't aesthetically infernal.

Your response has very little to do with what I typed. Assuming godforms = taking on egregores. This mishmash 'trnscendent/personal/allbeing' is just energetic delusion.

God help me, I can see where BE is coming from,

No, you'd need a lot more perceptiveness/experience on an energetic level to do that.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

Your response has very little to do with what I typed. Assuming godforms = taking on egregores. This mishmash 'trnscendent/personal/allbeing' is just energetic delusion.



No, you'd need a lot more perceptiveness/experience on an energetic level to do that.

So you dont believe in transcendence?

 

[FireBorn]

Hate to break it to you, you can't dissolve selfhood except through total annihilation. That means death on all levels and no awareness for you anymore. No you at all.

So what you're actually doing with those practices is shoving aside some parts of your energy complex for other things, ie outside energies of egregores. Of course, the deemphasis on certain habitual energy patterns can subjectively feel like all sorts of thingsoften labeled mystical. But it doesn't mean you've dissolved selfhood. The understanding of these things is at an extremely unsophisticated level among practitioners. The dissolved selfhood will come when you don't achieve immortality, though.

You don't achieve deification except through one thing only- the transmutation into a higher subtle body. That's it, that's the whole shebang. And in the pursuit of that, these religious egregores are an impediment.

I still fail to see how 'filth' is involved in any of this. That's tendentiously derived from religion and certain primate taboos.

Kind of a lazy assumption you made there. Is this opinion coming from personal experience? Or from books? The difference between the two is as large as the grand canyon.

You are trying to make the RHP small. What makes you think you know? Have you spent any time on that path? Inside a circle? Share your experience and make it authentic.

 

[Beyond Everything]

So you dont believe in transcendence?

Your question is open to multiple interpretations.

An egregore giving one a feeling of being one with everything or being one with god or etc is very different from the actual source of the univers (having been there out of body, I can say this with some degree of confidence)

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Is this opinion coming from personal experience?

Yes, where else could it come from?

People are free (well, not really free) to do what they want, and I'm sure they will continue down the paths that lead nowhere for those over the centuries engaged in them. By nowhere I mean post-mortem.

 

[FireBorn]

Your question is open to multiple interpretations.

An egregore giving one a feeling of being one with everything or being one with god or etc is very different from the actual source of the univers (having been there out of body, I can say this with some degree of confidence)

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Yes, where else could it come from?

People are free (well, not really free) to do what they want, and I'm sure they will continue down the paths that lead nowhere for those over the centuries engaged in them. By nowhere I mean post-mortem.

It can come from books. Lots of this kind of stuff comes from books, then ppl quote books to each other all the time here (gets fucking old).

If you say its from experience, cool. Then let me push back fully;

You seem so confident in what you say, so much so that everyone else is wrong. I am asking you how you know this exactly? How do you know what happens after we die? How are you so positive the RHP or any other path is inferior to yours? I mean it reads like a book report, or mystical posturing (my dad can beat up your dad) hence me asking about your actual experience, like the no shit, real world experience with it.

 

[MorganBlack]

you'd need a lot more perceptiveness/experience on an energetic level to do that.

You still experience energy? Okay. Energy is all just metaphor. Left all that behind millions of miles back. There's no energy in the Void.

Been there, got the tee-shirt, came back.

'RHP' practices can go there as well. They just like the comfy seat cushions while they do it. Cruising with kindness, grace, and love. Nothing wrong taking the slower decked out ship. They got mojitos, tango, and shuffleboard.

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

I didn't realise how offensive this question could come across - it was not my intention to offend anyone directly.
I was hoping to start a discussion about our goals and motives in Magic.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

What motivations does one have to choose the RHP in this age of darkness.
To resist the forces that threaten the innocence of our Children?
To tap into the power of Michael and Gabriel, as well as the hosts of heaven?
To live in accordance with natural law, in the body of the creator?

I can give you my motivation, I got spiritually attacked by some jerks in my town, I was unaware of the attacks until they where so heavy my world started crashing, and years passed by until one american person told me about Golden Dawn Magick, and I researched and at first I did not liked it, I was not ok with some "archangels" I hated christianity, but after I keep trying, searching for the occult I discovered the Ordo Aurum Solis and I felt so happy with a tradition which was pre christian, because I was angry at Christ because Mexico the country I live, the people are very dumb but very Catholic, so when I found Aurum Solis and the Greek Qabbalah I felt very good I could be a part of this, something older than Christianity, and still it was sacred, now I have seen my country filled with narco drug dealers, cruelty every where, depravity, but I have changed, now I try to help people, before I was a very bad person, and it was High Magick that made me search for the truth, for the real God behind all religions, and I actually think it has helped me a lot, now I dont drink, I dont do cannabis which I smoked every day, and also I dont "hang out" with silly mexicans, who all day they want to have a beer and smoke a joint, because that is modern Mexico, a cess pool of degenerates.

 

[Kepler]

If the RHP's being drawn as the wojak then ofc the emotionally credulous with impaired critical thinking will swing to the chad if said authoritatively. And given the state of some education systems it is unfortunately common.

Then past those presumptions are the real philosophical and metaphysical considerations.
But those can be involved to explain. The model I'm currently using could define someone as an immanent atheist hylozoist. But I'm not my model and it's not who I am.

But to your question, it's more the effects than the labour I like about the RHP. The destruction of evil and uplifting of all into greater consciousness is a great joy.

 

[Beyond Everything]

You still experience energy? Okay. Energy is all just metaphor. Left all that behind millions of miles back. There's no energy in the Void.

Funnily enough, utilizing that 'metaphor' has me looking much younger than my bio age (to many's surprise). I've yet to see such youthening effects among those most 'devoted' to viewing the world as void- Tibetan Buddhists. In fact they don't really have longevity at all, despite having specific practices aimed at that very goal.

But to your question, it's more the effects than the labour I like about the RHP. The destruction of evil and uplifting of all into greater consciousness is a great joy.

I'm not sure what planet you're living on, but this planet is very low consciousness and human civilization is headed for a gigantic crack-up. Centuries of these egregores, thoughtforms, energies, what-have-you and humans are going right down the drain. In fact, we're going to see some more fracturing in the not-too-distant future- so you can mark these words.