Why are abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam so hateful against polytheism?

[Faria]

Concerning those crazy Americans, what issue they could have with pagans?

Halloween and Christmas are both Christian holidays. Hundreds of millions of Christians celebrate both. I see no political will to end or suppress either.

Can you point to laws or policies in place that hinder belief in nature deities or a lack of belief in Jesus?

There are more people who hate the Dodgers than there are Christians hating Halloween. I see a lot of pagans constantly butthurt about what the Jesus mafia is doing to them, but I just don't see that in reality. A handful of psychotic church people going off about demonic media doesn't mean that there's a massive political effort against paganism. It's fake outrage that makes the pagans feel special, when really very few Christians care what you believe.

 

[Beyond Everything]

There is definitely a difference of opinion between them as regards sexuality and gender. But beyond that? Where are there proposed laws that suppress "paganism and polytheism" by Christians? Be specific.

Can pagans get an abortion in Texas anymore? As I said, everyone else gets oppressed when they get to institute their edicts. One can blithely ignore that I guess.

They make no secret, they don't want 'polytheists'-

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The laws specfically targeting pagans would come later.

 

[Faria]

Can pagans get an abortion in Texas anymore?

Texas has a ban on abortions except in cases where it would save the life of the mother.

Do you see abortion as an essentially pagan thing? I would expect that a majority of people wanting an abortion are Christians, as the majority share of the population.

Texas also prohibits prostitution, fighting, theft, and other things whose bad-ness are based on religious philosophy. Yes, abortion laws tend to be sponsored by Christians, but how is that an attack on paganism and polytheism?

 

[Morell]

Can you point to laws or policies in place that hinder belief in nature deities or a lack of belief in Jesus?

First commandment of 10 commandments.
Commandment 1: I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
Causes a lot of heat when that stuff is getting put in public spaces...

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[Faria]

First commandment of 10 commandments.

Ten Commandments monuments are the evangelical equivalent of a Pride flag. It doesnt really "do" anything to people who don't like it or what it represents. So, given a chance to explain exactly how the Christians are suppressing paganism, this is your top example? Is this it?

 

[Morell]

Ten Commandments monuments are the evangelical equivalent of a Pride flag. It doesnt really "do" anything to people who don't like it or what it represents. So, given a chance to explain exactly how the Christians are suppressing paganism, this is your top example? Is this it?

I really do not think that a sacred text like the ten can be compared to a pride flag.

But yeah, that's about it.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I already disproved your fact-free contention that it's only a 'handful of psychotic church people'. That video is taken from the largest 'conservative' organization for young people.

I never said abortion was an essentially pagan thing. I said -now for the third time- that christian laws oppress everyone.

 

[Faria]

I said -now for the third time- that christian laws oppress everyone.

So where are the pagan schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc that basically every other religion has? Are you claiming that this apparent inability to get their shit together on a basic level is the fault of oppressive Jesus fans?

Without tea lites, sage bundles, and big-print illustrated paperbacks, modern paganism would not exist. The entire movement is founded on the contributions of Jews who abandoned Judaism. It is a commercial subculture and was never a real religion, a LARP disguised as a belief and ritual system.

 

[Beyond Everything]

So where are the pagan schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc that basically every other religion has? Are you claiming that this apparent inability to get their shit together on a basic level is the fault of oppressive Jesus fans?

Yes, precisely. I guess crack open a history book.

Without tea lites, sage bundles, and big-print illustrated paperbacks, modern paganism would not exist. The entire movement is founded on the contributions of Jews who abandoned Judaism. It is a commercial subculture and was never a real religion, a LARP disguised as a belief and ritual system.

Neo-paganism's obvious faults have nothing to do with the fact of christianity as an oppressive system.

Most importantly, from an esoteric perspective, christianity (and the 2 others) are spider webs that inhibit the individual's liberation and ascension. Neo-paganism doesn't have the virulent egregores those others do.

 

[Faria]

Neo-paganism doesn't have the virulent egregores those others do.

Egregores = BS fictional concept unrelated to reality.

The "oppressive" Christian religion is endorsed by literally half the planet. It is the force behind some of the most cherished and significant works in almost every field for the last thousand years at least. Obviously it's not 100% kittens and sunbeams, but if you want to argue that it's inherently bad, you will need a much different kind of argument than what you've presented.

Just to make your point more clear, are you actually suggesting that the reason neopagans look more like a LARP Fandom than an actual religion with social infrastructure is the fault of oppressive Christians rather than the inability of pagans to establish those things?

 

[Beyond Everything]

Egregores = BS fictional concept unrelated to reality.

You could easily say that about any paranormal or metaphysical claim made on this site. If you don't know, you don't know.

The "oppressive" Christian religion is endorsed by literally half the planet. It is the force behind some of the most cherished and significant works in almost every field for the last thousand years at least.

How many fallacies can you fit in there?

Argument by majority. Argument that something isn't oppressive if people 'endorse' it. Argument that achievements were due to christianity, as opposed to being in Spite of christianity (the constitution is a good example of the latter).

 

[Faria]

Argument that achievements were due to christianity, as opposed to being in Spite of christianity

How many times have you heard someone "Thank God" when recounting an achievement vs. someone claiming to have achieved their goals despite oppressive religious fanatics? Obviously there is a range of opinions among the 4 billion + Christians out there, but on the whole they seem to credit their faith with inspiration toward good things. Yet you say they are oppressive. Somehow that didn't keep Sikhs, Buddhists, and other non-Abraham faiths from becoming established. So why is neopaganism the one big outlier that can barely keep a bookshop afloat? I suggest that the reason is not an oppressive Christian presence, but flaws inherent in neopaganiam.

Generally speaking, Christians don't even think of paganism or acknowledge its existence. But for pagans, Christianity is the big boogeyman stopping them from having respect as a religion. I think this is an error, and that the reasons have more to do with faults in neopaganism and its organizational structure than anything to do with Christian bias against them.

 

[FireBorn]

As an aspiring occultist, I want to know the political implications of it.

Here’s the problem with that question, it’s a slippery slope. When you think about it, 90% of Western occultism comes from the Abrahamic current. Flat, full stop. It is what it is.

There are plenty of Christians and Jews practicing magick, each with their own justifications, but those religions are monotheistic now, even if they didn’t start that way. Dont bother pointing out the hypocrisy.

Political implications? You can’t escape them. Not in the West. The entire framework whether you’re atheist, agnostic, or occultist, is still built on Abrahamic foundations.

“Good vs. evil”? Abrahamic.
“Marriage” as a moral institution? Abrahamic.
The U.S. and U.K. justice systems, their political structures, the moral language of our laws, all Abrahamic.

Even our so called secularism rests on Abrahamic scaffolding. That’s just fact. You can call yourself secular all day long, but your worldview’s bones are still monotheistic.

It is extremely hard to divorce yourself from the Abrahamic and re-write that framework. It has taken me a solid 5 years. Its so deeply ingrained in our culture. Even swearing has it 'Goddamn' 'Jesus fucking Christ' I mean its everywhere and we dont tend to notice until we do, then we cant NOT notice it.

 

[MorganBlack]

I deeply criticize right-wing evangelicals for their own issues, mythic literalism, and general nastiness, but it's also about time we recognize that "non-Abrahamic" religious communities (be it pagan, hyper-liberal atheists, WitchTokers ) are predominantly left-leaning, and we on "the Left" - which I also identify as - have our own fanatics and violent extremists - who attack the very people they consider their theological enemies. We never criticize them, becasue ... dunno... we must be inclusive of hate?

I'm not even going to address how deeply fuuuuucked UP and tragic we now have unironic legit neo-Nazi pagans are (if you don't know, check Telegram for their knumbskull racist, anti-Jew, anti-Black, anti-Latino, and anti-Catholic vile idiocy. ) - but to make the claim that violence is exclusively on "the Abrahamic side" is, to put it mildly, counter-evidential.

To examine this phenomenon empirically, I asked AI to review news articles and provide a meta-analysis of Catholic Church attacks from 2015-2025 specifically in the USA, UK, and Canada, regions where this ideological uh phenotype exists. Protestant, Jewish, and Muslim demoninations were excluded for this analysis.

United States
Most reliable data period (May 2020 - 2025):
From May 28, 2020 through 2025, there have been at least 537 documented attacks against Catholic churches

United Kingdom
Data available (2022-2025):
Between January 2022 and December 2024, there were 9,148 records of theft, burglary, criminal damage, vandalism and assault at churches across England and Wales, with 3,237 cases of criminal damage including arson

Canada
Most documented period (2021-2025):
At least 85 Catholic churches were damaged by fire or vandalism since May 27, 2021, with 24 confirmed arsons and 33 churches burned to the ground Wikipedia

Combined Total Estimate:
1,000-1,230 attacks

 

[Xuchilbara]

As an aspiring occultist, I want to know the political implications of it.

I am gonna go back to the beginning here. The original dispute between Baal vs El goes back to Canaanite tribal days. (Hebrews are the same as the Canaanites until Iron Age period I. But they derived from them and the language is a dialect of Canaanite. Any claims they are not the same is political propaganda from the bible. Archaeology has shown they were from those people.) El was the top god of the pantheon, he had two wives [Asherah and Anath] and many children. (Think the god Zeus) Baal was one of these kids, but a war god though. (Think the god Mars) The tribes contention started with later people wanted to replace El with Baal. (Though I heard one theory that the "Baal" cults may be the spirit Baals rather than the god, in the bible. I cannot confirm this.)

El was an independent deity of another god, Yahweh, whose origins remain mysterious insofar because it is hard to do archeology in those regions without being shot at. But was merged with El later in Israel. (His origins seem to stem from outside of Israel, however.) Yahweh is a god of war. This adds a new layer to El's myths.

I don't think they had a problem with polytheism, until later. Originally, it was idolatry. (There are Canaanite statues of El, by the way.) Looking at earlier passages in the bible I think they're actually henotheistic, which is a type of polytheism. There's several passages that confirm the existences of other gods, and some don't even attack them. The Prophet Elijah challenges the priests of the god Baal to a duel with whose god is better, Yahweh or Baal. Elijah was not accusing them of abandoning El for other gods. But rather for dividing the attention among them both, for example. Meaning he believed that Baal AND Asherah, existed alongside El.

The goddess Asherah had priests in attendance of this fiasco with Elijah. Not once does Elijah condemn them or her worship. Only Baal's. His tolerance indicates that Asherah, in that time period, an inevitable and tolerable female counterpart to El. [From The Hebrew Goddess by R.Patai 3rd enlarged edition; Chapter on Asherah] There's also evidence of some type of monotheism in Yahwehist priesthood but not amongst the lay people or in the folk religion, which is probably the spill over most people talk about.

Around the time of Isaiah they start getting monotheistic and the influence of Zoroastrianism, which had a book, prophet who preached against idolatry, and the old religion. It was the first to do so, not the bible, contrary to popular belief. Originally Zoroastrianism was duotheistic, believing in one good god and one evil one, but it, too, evolved into monotheism. For a longer explanation there is

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So, they started from railing against idolatry for diminishing the importance of Yahweh to attacking all of polytheism during political turmoil when Israel was capture by Babylon and beyond.

Christians started out as a subsect of Judaism. It's in the earliest Roman records. It appears in the NT Jesus still practices Judaism. (Celebrating Passover) It is most likely Jesus was simply trying to reform Judaism not found Christianity. Ancient Christians split over either staying as close to Judaism as possible or doing the opposite/own thing. Guess which sect won?

This kind of back and forth will go on ad infinitum between the Christian sects to the modern day. I am not a super expert on this part of Christianity, so be kind if I make a mistake here. The gist is there was that Christians wanted political power and unite Rome or something. There was a lot of things going on there. Christians vs pagans, Christians vs each other. No one could agree. Anyway, they merely copied what was already in the bible and its interpretations by their day about monotheism and polytheism.

Islam is related to the Canaanites, as Arabic tribes stem from them and Allah is cognate El. Their "pagan" religion was very different in some areas but also the same to the Israelite/Canaanite one. I believe that Mohammod, and this now is just a personal opinion, created Islam to unite the Arabic tribes. Hence Mecca having connections to their tribal days and Islam requiring it of every Muslim. He did this by using the techniques and beliefs from the OT, and eliminating polytheism. Monotheism is a tool here, to help them unite. I also believe some earlier pagans and Christians used monotheism for this reason. (

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[KjEno186]

Monotheism is a tool here, to help them unite.

Very nice summary.

I don't think they had a problem with polytheism, until later.

This reminded me of a passage from Joseph Wheless' book, Is It God's Word?

YAHVEH'S PHALLIC EPHODS AND TERAPHIM

Besides the mazzebahs and asherahs which abounded in orthodox Hebrew worship, the ephods and teraphim, before described as being smaller household idols of Yahveh with great standing phalli, were popular objects of the worship of Yahveh, very potent for conjuring and oracular prophecy.

The first mention of "teraphim" is in the interesting passage in Genesis 31: concerning Jacob and his pagan father-in-law Laban, and involving the modest Rachel, Jacob's wife and Laban's daughter. Inspiration tells us that "Rachel had stolen the teraphim that were her father's" (Gen. 31: 19 ); and Laban was very wroth and asked Jacob (31: 30 ): "Wherefore hast thou stolen my gods [elohim]."

But Jacob protested and said: "With whomsoever thou findest thy gods, let him not live. ... For Jacob knew not that Rachel had stolen them" (31: 32 ). Laban searched through all the household tents, and finally came into Rachel's tent. "Now, Rachel had taken the teraphim," says verse 34, "and sat upon them." The manner in which these idols were ornamented, with the erect male phallus, is suggestive of the form and manner of devotion that Rachel was engaged in, "sitting on" the gods, and explains the naive excuse which she gave to her father for not rising politely when he came into her tent (31: 35 ). Laban "searched, but found not the teraphim" (31: 35 ).

While Wheless doesn't mention this due to his materialist-atheist mindset and probable ignorance of the occult, consider how menstrual blood would be used on a phallic idol in ritual practice. The old religion was populated by families of spirits, much like the Lwa of Vodou.

 

[MorganBlack]

Yeah. The Christian Byzantine Emperor had a group of hard-hitting, pagan Viking ass-kickers as their elite guard for centuries.

They eventually converted to Orthodox Catholicism but there was no serious issue as far as we can tell.

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Besides, who's going to argue with them. So oppressed.