[Opinion] Add an "🤖 AI Slop" reaction option to mark low-effort AI content

[StoatCatcher]

I think the title explains itself. There's already a Troll reaction in place so I think having one that signals that the post's contents are AI generated slop would fit in nicely. It should probably have a negative reaction score attached to it too.

 

[Durward]

It sounds like another way to insult people unless you are absolutely sure it is A.I. slop.
Many people think my hair is fake or a hairpiece, and have laughed at it to my face, but it is my real hair, so I tend to ignore the slop coming out of hater's mouths. If I write something and you throw this A.I. slop reaction at me, you will be put in my ignore pile for good. What a great way to divide us and create more hate. Isn't the world divided enough as it is?
How do you intend on proving it is or isn't? Just assumption? Just because? Not sure what the purpose is of adding more weapons for the masses to abuse when you can just ignore it and move on.

 

[StoatCatcher]

While I agree with your sentiment, I can already react to your post with the troll reaction even though there's nothing wrong with it. I can also put a dislike under a post that is actually useful to others just because I disagree with the poster's opinion while liking another post that adds nothing of value. Bad actors and stupid actors will always exist, regardless of the system.

To answer the question of how one would prove it, it's simple. You politely ask the poster to explain themselves, you have a discussion about it. The thing forums are for. "Hey, can I know where are you getting this from?" If they can cite their sources and explain their logic in a way that makes sense then it'd be less inclined to hit them with the bot reaction. If they can't do that, I'm hitting them with the bot emoji. Not to mention your entire posting history is available here. If some John Doe with no profile picture, a history of nothing but post reactions and nooby questions suddenly whips out an article of text that looks like it came of some encyclopedia of occult terms then that's a little sus (a little ironic since this is my first big reply, I know).

As for the issue of how one would identify the text of said post as AI there are already repetitive sentence structures and grammar that you can use to do that. It's just a matter of training the eye. The other easy solution is to ask one of the many AI chatbots out there to talk about the same topic that your suspected AI poster is talking about and compare outputs. Is it perfect? No, no detection method will ever be. But again, you're on a forum. If someone mislabels you as AI and you want defend yourself from that accusation they you should have no problem replying with receipts of where your information came from. Your posting history can also do the talking for you. Other users who know you for a long time will back you up.

Whether your hair is real or not has zero impact on me as forum user. But whether or not the information you are posting is real and based at least on what I perceive to be a true experience does have an impact on my experience as a forum user. I want a good well of information and a community of real practitioners to talk to and make sure my stuff is alright. That's why I came here, that's presumably why you went out your way to donate money to this place. AI posts dilute good information with useless and sometimes even hallucinated facts and people who rely on it to teach them stuff do not actually learn good practices from it and end up outsourcing their thinking to it. Having no reaction to someone calling you ugly is one thing, having no reaction to someone who's comparing you to a machine that doesn't even understand what it's output means should make you double take on what you just wrote and who's making that comparison. These things are not even remotely comparable.

 

[HoldAll]

I've no idea how accurate AI detectors like gptzero.me are but usually I just call the member out, write "quillbot.com thinks your post is 100% AI" and wait for the well-deserved shitstorm. More fun that way .

 

[Yazata]

I think the title explains itself. There's already a Troll reaction in place so I think having one that signals that the post's contents are AI generated slop would fit in nicely. It should probably have a negative reaction score attached to it too.

You can also Report the post in question, as (an overuse of) AI is against the Rules.

 

[Durward]

While I agree with your sentiment, I can already react to your post with the troll reaction even though there's nothing wrong with it. I can also put a dislike under a post that is actually useful to others just because I disagree with the poster's opinion while liking another post that adds nothing of value. Bad actors and stupid actors will always exist, regardless of the system.

To answer the question of how one would prove it, it's simple. You politely ask the poster to explain themselves, you have a discussion about it. The thing forums are for. "Hey, can I know where are you getting this from?" If they can cite their sources and explain their logic in a way that makes sense then it'd be less inclined to hit them with the bot reaction. If they can't do that, I'm hitting them with the bot emoji. Not to mention your entire posting history is available here. If some John Doe with no profile picture, a history of nothing but post reactions and nooby questions suddenly whips out an article of text that looks like it came of some encyclopedia of occult terms then that's a little sus (a little ironic since this is my first big reply, I know).

As for the issue of how one would identify the text of said post as AI there are already repetitive sentence structures and grammar that you can use to do that. It's just a matter of training the eye. The other easy solution is to ask one of the many AI chatbots out there to talk about the same topic that your suspected AI poster is talking about and compare outputs. Is it perfect? No, no detection method will ever be. But again, you're on a forum. If someone mislabels you as AI and you want defend yourself from that accusation they you should have no problem replying with receipts of where your information came from. Your posting history can also do the talking for you. Other users who know you for a long time will back you up.

Whether your hair is real or not has zero impact on me as forum user. But whether or not the information you are posting is real and based at least on what I perceive to be a true experience does have an impact on my experience as a forum user. I want a good well of information and a community of real practitioners to talk to and make sure my stuff is alright. That's why I came here, that's presumably why you went out your way to donate money to this place. AI posts dilute good information with useless and sometimes even hallucinated facts and people who rely on it to teach them stuff do not actually learn good practices from it and end up outsourcing their thinking to it. Having no reaction to someone calling you ugly is one thing, having no reaction to someone who's comparing you to a machine that doesn't even understand what it's output means should make you double take on what you just wrote and who's making that comparison. These things are not even remotely comparable.

It all seems seriously judgemental, like you want to drag FB or X here and start repeating the bully system. Not a fan. The masses don't need more weapons. There is already a report button. Let moderators do what they do, and stop trying to control and manipulate others, which is all that button would be for.

 

[Accipeveldare]

I think it would be a fun addition. Most of the people on this forum are knowledgable and respectful enough to handle that addition i think. If anything, it would be funny. However, i do understand the argument that it could get out of hand.

So, with this sentiment. I must abstain.

 

[StoatCatcher]

The masses don't need more weapons

This post in an active part of the forum got 1K views in a little under a month. Out of those views only 28 decided to reply to it. The OP post only got 12 likes. It took nearly three years for this post by the literal owner of the forum to get 30 positive reactions and 28 replies at the time I'm writing this, in a slower part of the forum. And you can click on the reactions yourself to see how spaced out they are over time. If you go onto the main page you can see a list of registered members, people who can actually use reactions and reply, that are active at any given time. There's 27 of them online at this point, myself included. I don't know what kind of "masses" you're expecting to suddenly show up in waves to false flag posts but I don't think they're here in this niche forum. This is not X or FB.

If you're still worried about people bombing some post with negative reactions, go click on "What's new > Latest activity" and see how often people dislike a post. You'll quickly realize people are much more likely to like a post they enjoy and leave no reaction on other posts than to dislike a post. My point being, the data doesn't support this concern being that pressing of an issue.

There is already a report button. Let moderators do what they do, and stop trying to control and manipulate others, which is all that button would be for.

There is already a dislike and troll reaction, like I said earlier. If someone were to come here and start posting nothing but nonsense or act in bad faith people would both report them and react negatively to these posts. Why do the public reactions matter if theres a report button? Because they signal for everyone else looking at the thread that people who are engaged in the forum actively like or dislike these person's posts. With the reactions we actually get to measure how the actual posters of the forum feel about it. It's valuable information for seeing who's trusted in that space and who's not.

You might then ask "But doesn't a bunch of people reacting negatively to someone's posts make that person stop posting and coming to the forum eventually?" Yes, that is how members in that community get to push out members and ideas they don't like out of their space over time, without having to involve moderators. This is a process that happens everywhere online and offline. Curating a space is not just the job of the authority figures in that space, it's partially the job of everyone else that's participating in it.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I want an eye roll emoji .

It and a smirk are my most used actual facial expressions irl.

That being said I’d be happy to have more options but at the same time there’s enough to get your point across as is.

 

[Durward]

This post in an active part of the forum got 1K views in a little under a month. Out of those views only 28 decided to reply to it. The OP post only got 12 likes. It took nearly three years for this post by the literal owner of the forum to get 30 positive reactions and 28 replies at the time I'm writing this, in a slower part of the forum. And you can click on the reactions yourself to see how spaced out they are over time. If you go onto the main page you can see a list of registered members, people who can actually use reactions and reply, that are active at any given time. There's 27 of them online at this point, myself included. I don't know what kind of "masses" you're expecting to suddenly show up in waves to false flag posts but I don't think they're here in this niche forum. This is not X or FB.

If you're still worried about people bombing some post with negative reactions, go click on "What's new > Latest activity" and see how often people dislike a post. You'll quickly realize people are much more likely to like a post they enjoy and leave no reaction on other posts than to dislike a post. My point being, the data doesn't support this concern being that pressing of an issue.


There is already a dislike and troll reaction, like I said earlier. If someone were to come here and start posting nothing but nonsense or act in bad faith people would both report them and react negatively to these posts. Why do the public reactions matter if theres a report button? Because they signal for everyone else looking at the thread that people who are engaged in the forum actively like or dislike these person's posts. With the reactions we actually get to measure how the actual posters of the forum feel about it. It's valuable information for seeing who's trusted in that space and who's not.

You might then ask "But doesn't a bunch of people reacting negatively to someone's posts make that person stop posting and coming to the forum eventually?" Yes, that is how members in that community get to push out members and ideas they don't like out of their space over time, without having to involve moderators. This is a process that happens everywhere online and offline. Curating a space is not just the job of the authority figures in that space, it's partially the job of everyone else that's participating in it.

Now here you are getting all up in my grill, like I'm the problem because I don't agree that you need more buttons to push. Obviously just so you can continue to attack other members here with your incessant and irrelevant input. So you come out from under your rock, as a new Neophyte, and try to argue with me and attempt to push my buttons, which makes you a difficult and obsessed person to me. You do you and just mind your own business and do your own thing, but don't come at me sideways unless you want to start something that needs moderator attention. Are you OCD or something? WTF and get off my back with your statistical nonsense that doesn't interest me any more than the skidmarks in your shorts. I don't care. I don't think we need more power over other users, and certainly not from people like you who are so anti-whatever that you think you need to foam at the mouth about it. Get a life. Policing this forum is certainly not your job, thank the stars for that. What a lunatic you are turning out to be.

StoatCatcher is now ignored, permanently...​

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And btw @StoatCatcher ... you are obviously part of the sick and twisted cancel culture of hate and division if you think you can just push people out of forums by some cult gang of charlatan button-pushing teenagers that think they have skills. You should know better than to harass people in a forum full of occult and esoteric abilities. You won't last here.