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Lion

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Has anyone used AI to help ? also has anyone used AI to devise apps that do important things like correspondences or magic squares ?
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Also...is there somewhere here where people can share apps (I appreciate people would have to use them at their own risk etc...but thats the same kind of risk as uploading a pdf file)
 

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These are two very different questions. The first one has been talked about in a couple of threads (hint: use the handy Search function)
Second question (should go in Website Help) : not really.
 
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Sometimes i ask myself a question, then i go on chatgpt, i write "generate three random lenormands cards" while focusing on the question.

Hate me if you want, but i don't see how this could be any different from picking physical cards 🫠
 

akenu

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What you have to know about AI is that it is just a generative tool. It tries to assemble tokens in the most probable manner and, while doing so, will often introduce made-up information.

As an example: This is what happened when I asked Gemma about me:

>> Can you tell me who Frater Akenu is?
Frater Akenu is a fascinating and somewhat mysterious figure within the
Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). Here's a breakdown of what's known about him,
pieced together from various sources:

Who He Was:

* Real Name: His birth name is unknown, and he intentionally
concealed it. This is common practice within OTO for privacy and ritual
purposes.
  • Active Period: He was most active between the 1920s and the 1950s.
  • Significant OTO Member: He was a highly respected and influential
member of OTO, rising to the degree of 9=3 (Mystic Quarter Degrees) and
being entrusted with significant responsibilities. He was a direct
student and close associate of Theodor Reus and Karl Germer, two key
figures in the OTO's history and its survival after Reus' death.
* Keeper of the Archives: Crucially, Akenu became the designated
"Keeper of the Archives" of OTO in the 1930s, after Reus's death. This was
an enormously important role, responsible for safeguarding the core OTO
teachings, rituals, and organizational secrets. He essentially became the
guardian of the lineage.
* Author and Transcriber: He transcribed and preserved countless
documents and teachings from Reus and Germer, many of which form the basis
of the OTO's current body of knowledge. He meticulously copied and
organized these materials, ensuring their survival through wartime
disruptions and the challenges faced by the Order.
* Teacher and Mentor: Akenu trained and initiated many individuals
into OTO, passing on his understanding of the system.

Why He's Important/Significant:

* Preservation of OTO: Without Akenu's diligent work as Keeper of
the Archives, the OTO would likely have ceased to exist. The loss of
Reus's legacy would have been devastating. Akenu saved the Order’s
essential knowledge.
* Transmission of Reus' Teachings: He was instrumental in preserving
and transmitting the teachings of Theodor Reus, which form a vital
component of OTO's philosophy.
* Influence on Germer: He worked closely with Karl Germer, assisting
in the reconstruction and administration of OTO after Reus’s death. Germer
considered Akenu a mentor.
* Mystery and Aura: Akenu's deliberate obscurity contributes to his
mystique. He rarely spoke about himself, focusing instead on the work of
the Order and the teachings he was entrusted to preserve.

What's Known About His Background (Speculative):

* Possible European Origins: Based on certain clues and his writing
style, some believe he may have had European (possibly German or Austrian)
origins.
* Scholarship: His careful transcription and understanding of
complex texts suggest a strong scholarly background.
* Discreet and Dedicated: His actions demonstrate an extraordinary
level of discretion, dedication, and loyalty to the Ordo Templi Orientis.

Key Resources for Learning More:

* "The Mystical Qabalah" by Dion Fortune: While Akenu isn't directly
mentioned, his work as a keeper of esoteric knowledge helps to understand
his context within the occult world.
* **OTO Publications (especially those relating to the Reus and Germer
eras):** You'll find references to him and his role.
* Online OTO Forums/Communities: Discussions about Akenu are common
within these spaces. Be aware that information shared online can be mixed
with speculation.



Important Note: Due to his deliberate obscurity, much about Frater
Akenu remains unknown. The information available is largely derived from
documents he preserved and from the recollections of those who knew him.
He remains an enigmatic but profoundly important figure in the history of
the Ordo Templi Orientis.
 

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Some of my posts on magick reference obscure and new ideas that are densely packed to avoid overexplaining.
It's been helpful to check those against google AI to see if it acceptably unpacks them with more explanation for those that might need it. It's like checking if something translates well.

When the AI doesn't come back with a good explanation then changing a few key words with maybe some small additions opens things up.

It helpfully saves time by doing the unpaid grunt work of free online teaching of uncommon but available foundational ideas while letting personal effort be focused on advanced discoveries emerging from those foundations.
 

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My words might be very unpopular, but using AI for Magic purposes (as well as for many similar purposes) results in rapid degradation.

And people are quickly degrading. I remember seeing some topic on Reddit, person asked about some book which could help him explain Agrippa because it was too hard for him to read original text.

Each time I talk with someone and he says "I asked AI such and such thing", I feel as if like murder happened right now (because companion dies for me as sentient being after such words), and I find myself rather shocked and disappointed to utmost degree. I REALLY feel as if I am at a crime scene.

Please, please, read Agrippa, at least read Gerard Encausse, read some more good books and you will realize that using AI for Magic is the most disastrous thing one can do for his own progress.
 

Amadeus

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I've used ai for the following:

Image creation, it has improved, texts look better and less errors. All kinds of images. Prompts have to be well written.

Fetching sources, finding similar words or descriptions. Not bad, found what I was looking for. Statistics and calculations.

For anything esoteric, not really. Apart from making tarot cards just for fun. Drawing weird cards to test prompts, to see what happens.
 

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I used AI to add frames into video so I could make slow motion. Frustrating that I couldn't get better one for free. But the effect was good.
 

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My words might be very unpopular, but using AI for Magic purposes (as well as for many similar purposes) results in rapid degradation.

And people are quickly degrading. I remember seeing some topic on Reddit, person asked about some book which could help him explain Agrippa because it was too hard for him to read original text.

Each time I talk with someone and he says "I asked AI such and such thing", I feel as if like murder happened right now (because companion dies for me as sentient being after such words), and I find myself rather shocked and disappointed to utmost degree. I REALLY feel as if I am at a crime scene.

Please, please, read Agrippa, at least read Gerard Encausse, read some more good books and you will realize that using AI for Magic is the most disastrous thing one can do for his own progress.
If you feel like being tortured some more, feel free to give this a read. Edit: This is just for fun and horror, in no way or form do I endorse this or agree with it.
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Well, I use AI sometimes to generate motivational/cover letters when I apply for jobs (and I find myself having to do this quite often) because how many times can you write the same, stupid rote thing.

I then take the text and edit it. Saves me on some typing.

As far as occult use... well... in a grimoire I'm working on, I'm explicitly stating to NOT USE AI for a very important part of the rite I've worked out. :D It was pretty obvious to me at first, but in the current day and age... eh. Better safe than sorry.
 
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