Are you trying to win the lottery with magic?

[SeekerPS]

Approximately 300,000 to 500,000 people win some kind of lottery prize every day worldwide, but let's say you are not aiming for winning just $50-$500, let's say that you want the millions, right? In 8.1 Billion people, approximately 2-3 persons daily become millionaires thanks to lottery. That’s still less than 1 in 5 million chance even after a year of daily play.


So, let's assume you are a magician, you can cheat probabilities, Don't you? After all, mathematically speaking, the chance still exists. It's not impossible. If you can make your crush fall in love into you, or win that job you dream of, why wouldn't you be able to win the lottery?

In my personal experience, I have used NAP with modest success (I got a better job but after some time) and I have used goetic spirits for naughty things (mainly love/sex related and curses). But I have tried the NAP spell for winning contest without any result that could say it is remotely working. I have been toying with the idea of trying something more complex, but I'm still gathering the equipment.

I would like to know your experiences, if you have, or your insights, if you have any, about this topic. Some people says that chances are too low, but, at the end of the day, each day, at least 1 person wins the lottery in the world. Other says that you are competing against other magicians, to which, at least from my experience, I would say we are not so packed up geographically as for that to really impact and the worst that could happen is a shared prize by 2-3 practitioners. A lot of people are armchair magicians and don't practice, etc etc. The last argument I have seen is about Karma, but that seems ridiculous to me, you are not doing any evil by playing the lottery.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

My view? This isn’t how magick works, like at all. And I don’t say that from cynicism. I say that from experience.

I think a lot of modern occultists short-sheeted the bed. They treat grimoires like recipe books instead of what they really are: windows into entirely different worldviews. Those spirits weren’t just summoned. They were participated in. The magick was in the whole life of the operator, not just in the ritual.

Yes, this is what is fundamental underneath the question of the OP. The spirits don't only exists in the ritual space that was created in a world that is almost spiritual and magical dead. The Grimoires and their instructions are not standalone technical user manuals, but part of an enchanted and vibrant world. One has to be able to recreate that enchanted world in his/hers own mind.

 

[pruner_tipster]

Nah I’d rather build a business (with magick) doing something I love with multiple streams of revenue rather than a one time lump sum maybe it works and maybe the price tag is astronomical…

 

[Magpie]

There is supposedly no "luck" in the world. Everything is predetermined unless there is an action taken by a being that for a moment (or habitually) defies determinism and take a free action. Let's assume that is correct.

So in order to win a lottery, one would need to figure out what the correct draw is and do it close enough to the draw so the risk of another being taking action and changing outcome is small.

But how can you figure out what the draw is? Forget the lottery, but if there is a coin toss, there is a 100% certainty of one of the outcomes, assuming fully mechanical world. Imagine it is the way you move your hand as you flip the coin. Something that can theoretically be understood and predicted. But how to apply that?

Or is the correct approach to alter the draw? Instead of divining the outcome, you force your set of numbers?

 

[Caduceus]

I don't win lotteries. In fact, I usually only play once a year on my Birthday but last year I just didn't feel like it. Still, money does come my way in small amounts. I haven't done a ritual for gain in many years so maybe it is still in effect. Had $3,000 come just last November I think. I'll let you know if something comes soon.

 

[madmullah]

A few short thoughts. First Magick can help level a playing field and lower odds, but there's still odds. Let's say you do a REALLY REALLY GOOD working that 99% betters your odds from 1 in 5 million odds .. to 1 in 50,505.

Great now your odds of winning are more probable but STILL rather low. But more doable if you consistently play every day for years. But that's if you are able to pull off a 99% improvement in your odds. Now let's say you can only hit for a more reasonable 90% improvement. Great now your odds are 1 in 2,631,579.

Even if you 100% believe in your magic and you are very adept at it, a 90% improvement in your odds leaves you still with a bit over one in 2.5 million odds.

Real Magic actually is real, it works in the domain of reality, hence it works like other real things. Magic can swing odds, sometimes amazingly and miraculously, but there will always remain some odds.

Next thing, we can't let ourselves be naive, we aren't the only people in the world who know about Magic. Just as corporate types sometimes hire magical practitioners, there's many anecdotes, too many to dismiss, about lottery commissions and casinos and similar actually hiring magicians as consultants. For big bucks, to protect their interests.

It's still worth trying, but next thing, keep in mind you have competition also with other people just like you doing magic workings, as well as religious people praying and petitioning divinity as well (the line between spell-work and prayer is more slippery than many people think, and both can be QUITE efficacious). So, all in all there's a huge field of intention from millions of people floating around the theme of winning the lottery (or preventing others from winning it) so do you see the scope of it ? But keep at it, after all if you don't play you can't win right?

Post automatically merged: Wednesday at 5:29 AM

There is supposedly no "luck" in the world. Everything is predetermined unless there is an action taken by a being that for a moment (or habitually) defies determinism and take a free action. Let's assume that is correct.

So in order to win a lottery, one would need to figure out what the correct draw is and do it close enough to the draw so the risk of another being taking action and changing outcome is small.

But how can you figure out what the draw is? Forget the lottery, but if there is a coin toss, there is a 100% certainty of one of the outcomes, assuming fully mechanical world. Imagine it is the way you move your hand as you flip the coin. Something that can theoretically be understood and predicted. But how to apply that?

Or is the correct approach to alter the draw? Instead of divining the outcome, you force your set of numbers?

I heavily question the notion that there is no "luck" in the world. I think this is a vast misunderstanding of things. I think predetermination also is heavily misunderstood.

 

[Magpie]

A few short thoughts. First Magick can help level a playing field and lower odds, but there's still odds. Let's say you do a REALLY REALLY GOOD working that 99% betters your odds from 1 in 5 million odds .. to 1 in 50,505.

Great now your odds of winning are more probable but STILL rather low. But more doable if you consistently play every day for years. But that's if you are able to pull off a 99% improvement in your odds. Now let's say you can only hit for a more reasonable 90% improvement. Great now your odds are 1 in 2,631,579.

Even if you 100% believe in your magic and you are very adept at it, a 90% improvement in your odds leaves you still with a bit over one in 2.5 million odds.

Real Magic actually is real, it works in the domain of reality, hence it works like other real things. Magic can swing odds, sometimes amazingly and miraculously, but there will always remain some odds.

Next thing, we can't let ourselves be naive, we aren't the only people in the world who know about Magic. Just as corporate types sometimes hire magical practitioners, there's many anecdotes, too many to dismiss, about lottery commissions and casinos and similar actually hiring magicians as consultants. For big bucks, to protect their interests.

It's still worth trying, but next thing, keep in mind you have competition also with other people just like you doing magic workings, as well as religious people praying and petitioning divinity as well (the line between spell-work and prayer is more slippery than many people think, and both can be QUITE efficacious). So, all in all there's a huge field of intention from millions of people floating around the theme of winning the lottery (or preventing others from winning it) so do you see the scope of it ? But keep at it, after all if you don't play you can't win right?

Post automatically merged: Wednesday at 5:29 AM

I heavily question the notion that there is no "luck" in the world. I think this is a vast misunderstanding of things. I think predetermination also is heavily misunderstood.

The questions of predetermination and true randomness is key to the whole thread, so please share your thoughts on that.