Big Picture Level Ideas: The End of Material Reality (YouTube)

[MorganBlack]

So good. Just ignore the “scary” stuff.

I've already arrived here many years , after the SIGHTS I was shown - but it would be nice to have some more company.

(No hellraising Cenobites needed, but they help )

So... what if space and time are not fundamental, or even elemental, but emergent properties of a deeper reality?

This is not Gnosticism, per se, or even Simulation Theory. I mean it is those things - but this is more. This sometimes is called 'Idealism', but for magicians like me who weaponize Idealism to DO stuff, even Idealism as a totalizing model is too small. I sometimes will call this "Mythic and Diamonic Idealism." Which is for magicians , and means getting shit done in a Dreamed-up Reality using some 'sublunar' tricks, which is what we are all about.

So you do not need to agree with every truth claim in the video. I certainly do not, but it's good to have in your toolkit for thinking about all this weird stuff.

Our left hemisphere acts like a reality-reducing valve, so as certainties begin to loosen, something remarkable happens. The universe becomes larger than it was before.

So if you grasp these ideas, and if you are still trying to make another "earth religion" - like, WTF are you even doing? You're thinking too small. Are you really going to climb up on a shabby little soapbox and tell us we all know what Earth and reality is? Like, really? Get out of here with that, kid!

And this so much better than the pop-sci cliche that "we live in a matrix computer simulation." Thanks, professor. It also goes way deeper than standard Simulation Theory. It builds a case using quantum mechanics and Donald Hoffman's user-interface theory to argue something deeply Kastrupian by saying physical matter doesn't exist at all. Instead the universe is a singular, self-aware mental process, and our individual consciousness is just a localized point of view within it.

And something for us GV and grim magicians, it basically argues that reality isn't made of things, but of relationships and experiences. That last sentence is super important to understand the classical idea of what they meant by the word " daimon" This is the "finding the right relation" to the spirit world (Or the Imaginal, as I prefer to call it) .

Good stuff.

'The Universe is a DECEPTION and It's Scary'

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Oooh, spooky! Be afraid. Be very afraid. LOL

 

[Robert Ramsay]

This is Carlo Rovelli's 'relational quantum mechanics' which is a totally self-consistent way of looking at quantum physics which has one assumption - that there is only one Universe. If you have your heart set on a single universe, then you have no choice but to make relationships between things real, and not the things themselves. Luckily for us, nothing truly exists in isolation, so you don't get to see things that don't exist

If you want things to be real instead: that requires a multiverse, so as to have an interpretation of quantum mechanics that is, again, totally self-consistent.

wrt Hoffman, despite his arguments, I still think there's a long walk between 'our senses cannot perceive things as they actually are' and 'the things that actually are - are not'. I shall have to read his book again. As WC Fields said when someone asked him what he was doing reading the Bible, he said "Looking for loopholes."

I've never been very keen on any flavour of panpsychism. For me, it lacks explanatory power.

Man goes to the doctor, says "Help me doctor, I hurt all over."
Doctor says "Show me where."
Man proceeds to prod himself in the ear, the cheek, the stomach, the behind. "Here... and here... and here... and here..."
Doctor stops him. "You've broken your finger."

The point being is that if consciousness is what you're using to explore the universe, you shouldn't be surprised to find it everywhere.

Emo Philips: "The brain is the smartest organ in the body. But then I thought - look what's telling me that..."

I have to say that I have not yet watched the video, but I know most of these arguments pretty well. It's right about one thing though; it's a much less lazy argument than simulation 'theory'.

 

[MorganBlack]

Agreed, Robert! For magicians, both Idealism and Pan-psychism do not go far enough.

 

[Lucien6493]

Cruising altitude, bro. You are not alone up there. We are in good company. Where it gets seriously scary for me is way upstream of the clear light. The imaginal is Tuesday, or would be if it did not include such frightful fauna as, say, a valley girl from Pasadena with opinions, vibes, feelings, a curated mood-board and a convertible Firebird Tans Am. "Like, oh my God, for real". I can handle a demon but if she's playing Tom Petty and smells like colitas I am toast. May as well ship me off to Atlantis on a cruiser from the Pleiades. I have zero immunity. That is pretty much the problem with being stuck in the forever of unconditional freedom though. You can't claim plausible deniability. You need some way of resolving the nonexistent tension between sense and nonsense in order for that to work, and you can only do it here, or with her. Where else are you going to go? And with whom?

It makes me think of that conversation between Ram Dass and McKenna in Prague when they were talking about the pitfalls of the spiritual path and the Trickster bard kinda let slide that he was always fighting his better inclination, which Alpert thought meant clinging to enlightenment, but which Terence meant the other way around. But, of course, he was a storyteller, and I grok that. I live that...or try to anyway. It makes it more fun that way. It has heart, which has its source in not there, not there. You live in Cali. You are a braver man than I.