Dealing with discouragement

[ward]

Greetings all
How do you deal with people who discourage you when it comes to achieving serious material success with serious magick. Many practitioners on YouTube specifically , who seem too much towards theurgy , state that " no demons won't always give you what you want and if you tell them i want to be wealthy and successful they gonna f*ck you off , they're not your daddy and mommy ....etc " how do you deal with it ? I feel so much disappointed and discouraged

 

[ashlesha]

Usually occult practices lean heavier on the theurgical/mystical or the sorcerous/results-based. People in one camp will try knocking the people on the other camp, for a variety of reasons.

There is value in the reality check of demons not giving you everything you want, not necessarily because they'll outright refuse you, but because they can't. Magic works by manipulating probability. If you want serious wealth, you need to have the basis of a life that can make money where the probability can be stirred in your favor. If you want to meet new boys/girls, you need to get out more. If you want protection, going to the dangerous parts of the city at 3AM isn't setting your magic up for success.

All that said, a good magician can make even unlikely things happen. Magic is a skill and talent like anything else, it takes practice! If you're discouraged by youtube videos, quit them and get back to your spells! Get a good relationship with several spirits, and watch your life blossom over months and years.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Greetings all
How do you deal with people who discourage you when it comes to achieving serious material success with serious magick. Many practitioners on YouTube specifically , who seem too much towards theurgy , state that " no demons won't always give you what you want and if you tell them i want to be wealthy and successful they gonna f*ck you off , they're not your daddy and mommy ....etc " how do you deal with it ? I feel so much disappointed and discouraged

It doesn't happen very often, but I attempt to impress upon them the validity of my approach ("this is actual known science - I'm not clever enough to make up new science and I'm not stupid enough to try and prove current science wrong") and then if this doesn't work, my usual last reply is "I can't help what you think"

 

[ward]

Usually occult practices lean heavier on the theurgical/mystical or the sorcerous/results-based. People in one camp will try knocking the people on the other camp, for a variety of reasons.

There is value in the reality check of demons not giving you everything you want, not necessarily because they'll outright refuse you, but because they can't. Magic works by manipulating probability. If you want serious wealth, you need to have the basis of a life that can make money where the probability can be stirred in your favor. If you want to meet new boys/girls, you need to get out more. If you want protection, going to the dangerous parts of the city at 3AM isn't setting your magic up for success.

All that said, a good magician can make even unlikely things happen. Magic is a skill and talent like anything else, it takes practice! If you're discouraged by youtube videos, quit them and get back to your spells! Get a good relationship with several spirits, and watch your life blossom over months and years.

The point from watching videos, testimonials and reviews is gaining as much knowledge and information as possible as you know knowledge is power .... you're right maybe I should quit seeking validation from people . Thank you so much for kindness

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It doesn't happen very often, but I attempt to impress upon them the validity of my approach ("this is actual known science - I'm not clever enough to make up new science and I'm not stupid enough to try and prove current science wrong") and then if this doesn't work, my usual last reply is "I can't help what you think"

Exactly ..... thank you so much

 

[HoldAll]

I think the meaning of "To Be Silent" (as in "To Know, To Dare, To Will, To Be Silent") needs to be extended to listening to youtubers and other social media influencers. It's one thing to read an author's disparaging opinion in a book but much harder to dismiss (and forget!) what some real live person told you straight to your face - it's like he or she was personally putting a jinx on your schemes. What has been seen cannot be unseen, as they say, and even with strongly-held convictions, you'll still end up somewhat rattled and ambivalent.

In contrast to books, many youtube videos are all about winning subscribers, about personal opinions, about unique styles of presentation and appearing 'fresh', no matter if they keep rehashing centuries-old subjects. Additionally, all youtubers are under immense (financial) pressure, and the easiest way to generate clicks is controversy (scandals, secrets, outrageous claims, etc.) - which isn't such strong a motive for book authors and may even damage their reputation. So if a youtuber, for example, put out a video titled "Why calling up demons is a bad idea!!" and triggered a shitstorm among furious demonolaters, it'll be all money in the bank. Follow youtubers long enough (as I did on several non-occult topics), and you start to realise when the guys have their off-days, try too hard, come across somewhat forced because of a temporary lack of ideas, recycle old videos with a contrived new spin, etc. I don't envy them because as soon as their livelihood starts to depend on youtube, they'll become part of a content machine and will do almost everything to stray relevant.

Instead of randomly clicking on every video which the algorithm may throw up and that seems vaguely interesting, I'd stick with reputable youtubers if I were you (there are other Forum threads about youtube as well):

Occult Youtube Megathread

Anyone got any recommendation for some occult youtubers if any

wizardforums.com

 

[ward]

I think the meaning of "To Be Silent" (as in "To Know, To Dare, To Will, To Be Silent") needs to be extended to listening to youtubers and other social media influencers. It's one thing to read an author's disparaging opinion in a book but much harder to dismiss (and forget!) what some real live person told you straight to your face - it's like he or she was personally putting a jinx on your schemes. What has been seen cannot be unseen, as they say, and even with strongly-held convictions, you'll still end up somewhat rattled and ambivalent.

In contrast to books, many youtube videos are all about winning subscribers, about personal opinions, about unique styles of presentation and appearing 'fresh', no matter if they keep rehashing centuries-old subjects. Additionally, all youtubers are under immense (financial) pressure, and the easiest way to generate clicks is controversy (scandals, secrets, outrageous claims, etc.) - which isn't such strong a motive for book authors and may even damage their reputation. So if a youtuber, for example, put out a video titled "Why calling up demons is a bad idea!!" and triggered a shitstorm among furious demonolaters, it'll be all money in the bank. Follow youtubers long enough (as I did on several non-occult topics), and you start to realise when the guys have their off-days, try too hard, come across somewhat forced because of a temporary lack of ideas, recycle old videos with a contrived new spin, etc. I don't envy them because as soon as their livelihood starts to depend on youtube, they'll become part of a content machine and will do almost everything to stray relevant.

Instead of randomly clicking on every video which the algorithm may throw up and that seems vaguely interesting, I'd stick with reputable youtubers if I were you (there are other Forum threads about youtube as well):

Occult Youtube Megathread

Anyone got any recommendation for some occult youtubers if any

wizardforums.com

I totally agree with you .... maybe it's the time to really stop listening to anyone and start doing the work myself. I appreciate your time and efforts

 

[Accipeveldare]

Greetings all
How do you deal with people who discourage you when it comes to achieving serious material success with serious magick. Many practitioners on YouTube specifically , who seem too much towards theurgy , state that " no demons won't always give you what you want and if you tell them i want to be wealthy and successful they gonna f*ck you off , they're not your daddy and mommy ....etc " how do you deal with it ? I feel so much disappointed and discouraged

Well, I must confess. My reasons for being into the esoteric are not material reasons. However, I would say that if you truly feel that there is something you want, and you work hard at it, then yes, you will recieve it
Now, from my experience with daemons, they will not indeed just hand it to you, but that doesnt mean they wont help you either.
A daemon probably wont just make it appear right in front of you, but they will teach you how to make it appear. You still have to put in the work, the difference is you have a little guidance and assistance.
Remember, daemons arent evil or good necessarily, however, they are autonomous beings and usually have a motive for helping you. Be respectful, and play it cool, and they usually have no problem helping.

 

[blood_mistress]

Greetings all
How do you deal with people who discourage you when it comes to achieving serious material success with serious magick. Many practitioners on YouTube specifically , who seem too much towards theurgy , state that " no demons won't always give you what you want and if you tell them i want to be wealthy and successful they gonna f*ck you off , they're not your daddy and mommy ....etc " how do you deal with it ? I feel so much disappointed and discouraged

The disappointment and discouragement your feeling is what happens when you mistake another person’s limitations for universal law. Most of the people discouraging you are speaking from their own experiences. When they fail to manifest things materially, they create silly rules to justify their failures.

The other thing is many people approach spirits, especially demons, like their merchants at a market. "I'll give you this if you give me that." It's transactional. And whether or not they like to admit it - it's a form of dependency. That's the real misunderstanding going on here.

If you look at this from a Hermetic lens, intelligences are not "gods" in the goofy way people make them out to be. They are powers. They are principles. They are currents of intelligences embedded in the architecture of reality. If you really want to work with them then don't approach them like a beggar asking for scraps. You have to align yourself with them.

The old axiom remains true. As above, So Below.

If wealth exists as a current, then there are intelligences governing acquisition, expansion, opportunity, influence, movement of resources. The demon does not play daddy and hand you gold. It alters probability, opens roads, your perception sharpens, and what needs to be rearranged in your life to make it happen gets rearranged. But you have to have the ability to channel what's needed in order to make this happen.

People ask for kingdoms while living like servants. And when nothing happens, they blame the spirit or the bullshit someone told them to do. A demon will not make you wealthy because you begged for it correctly. Neither will it deny you because wealth is too material. That moralism is human contamination, not occult law. Serious material success requires serious structure: discipline, vision, capacity, and force. Magick amplifies what is already becoming.

So how do you deal with discouragement? Just ignore it. The opinions of others should be irrelevant to you. Also, lastly, youtubers and tiktokers only show you what they want you to see. A lot of it is smoke and mirrors friend.