Demonic presence in todays world.

[Asteriskos]

I see, thanks a lady from Reddit gave me tip to dig Quareia since is free and is good Magick, I have advanced I read few books since I detox, Psychic Self Defense by Denning and Phillips, Entrance to the Magical Qabbalah by same authors, The Tree of Life by Israel Regardie, I was reading the Tarot book by Denning and Phillips but I stopped half way through, and right now I am reading again The Robe and the Ring, with the money I saved from cannabis I now buy Lions Mane supplement and I use it so I can focus more on my Magick practice, reading as well. Oh and I also finished Practical Guide to Creative Visualization by Denning and Phillips as well.

All steps along the Path. Your tone and wording sound better too! At one time there was quite a bit of Aurum Solis activity here in the US, now it's down to a few "Houses", not sure anymore about the actual structure of the "Commandries" though.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

I am going to cite from Josephine McCarthy´s book called "The Exorcist´s Handbook":

"So in all, the general types of demonic beings that tend to express in our world are:
1. Smaller human-connected ones that are trying to live a life on the ‘surface’ and live by means of feeding their conditionality usually through extremism of personality. 2. Medium-sized demonic beings that express in a single or small amount of humans through the build up and then execution of an act that will generate bigger amounts of power, such as mass murder, suicides, sex deaths, or other violent acts.
3. Large, deep, and ancient demonic beings that express through society, government, land mass, or large groups of people, and basically drive the lemmings over the cliff. They will manoeuvre a large amount of people to behave in an extreme way that will end in war, murder, or suicides. They are sometimes intent on creating an environment that will suitable for them to live in the human world indefinitely."

I am from Mexico and I think we suffer from a Demonic infestation as said in N. 3 from Mc Carthy´s book, our country is filled with mass murders, and women being raped and later being murdered, I will cite again from the book another important paragraph about demonic possessions:

"So a demonic possession is more likely to become involved in mass murder, destruction of a group, place, or structure, or major societal/cultural interference. Deeper demonic beings are seen very rarely but when they do emerge they are huge, they work through major power structures or land/weather patterns and tend to cause massive change in our cultures."

Josephine McCarthy is a woman of many contradictions and suspect claims. It would be wise not to take anything she says concerning the world of magic or the occult as practical and should maybe be reframed as an extension of world building her many sub-par fantasy novels.

With this being said, the most severe misunderstanding here is attributing primordial higher principles (even as dark as they are) to lesser beings such as demons. Demons have only as much power as you assign them and are limited in their scope whereas principles such as war and murder/killing are transcendent universals that supersede the scope of any consolidated intelligence, whether demonic or not, which is why these principles are usually assigned to dieties. This is an amateur take to assign anything that involves suffering as "demonic" and showcases not only inexperience with the occult philosophies but with demons as entities themselves.

But Josephine McCarthy rather curiously wears with pride the fact that she doesnt read or study (which is strange coming from a prolific author who's livelihood is dependent on people buying her books to READ) so I guess that explains the ignorance towards the philosophy of universals, and beyond that likes to make the claim that she stopped practicing magic during the time she was raising her children (which at minimum would be 18 years) which also explains why her inexperience with demons has led to her assigning such magnificent powers to a class of spirits that are way below the scope of that type of influence.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Josephine McCarthy is a woman of many contradictions and suspect claims. It would be wise not to take anything she says concerning the world of magic or the occult as practical and should maybe be reframed as an extension of world building her many sub-par fantasy novels.

With this being said, the most severe misunderstanding here is attributing primordial higher principles (even as dark as they are) to lesser beings such as demons. Demons have only as much power as you assign them and are limited in their scope whereas principles such as war and murder/killing are transcendent universals that supersede the scope of any consolidated intelligence, whether demonic or not, which is why these principles are usually assigned to dieties. This is an amateur take to assign anything that involves suffering as "demonic" and showcases not only inexperience with the occult philosophies but with demons as entities themselves.

But Josephine McCarthy rather curiously wears with pride the fact that she doesnt read or study (which is strange coming from a prolific author who's livelihood is dependent on people buying her books to READ) so I guess that explains the ignorance towards the philosophy of universals, and beyond that likes to make the claim that she stopped practicing magic during the time she was raising her children (which at minimum would be 18 years) which also explains why her inexperience with demons has led to her assigning such magnificent powers to a class of spirits that are way below the scope of that type of influence.

Could an infestation at that level be posible? I mean like some demons mess with governments? or with countries, tribes, cities? this mexicans are literally ripping each others hearts out and eat them on camera to inflict fear to citizens or police and they do practice weird religions for exemple is well known they worship Saint Death (Santa Muerte) and they as dumb as they are offer her their victims as sacrifice.

 

[Asteriskos]

Demonic presence in todays world.​

That statement for me suggests much more of the Human element than anything else. The graphic descriptions of what's going on in Mexico and South America are all easily explainable in terms of Human Greed and Lust for Power. Of course all those corrupt politicians and gang members aren't "demonically possessed", and further more they don't need to be, humanity is perfectly capable of committing all that and more on it's own. Like it or not the human race has some pretty bad apples with everything that entails. The "devil" isn't the source of the problem here. The sheer size of this issue is once again totally within the capabilities of Humanity, no outside help required.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Demonic presence in todays world.​

That statement for me suggests much more of the Human element than anything else. The graphic descriptions of what's going on in Mexico and South America are all easily explainable in terms of Human Greed and Lust for Power. Of course all those corrupt politicians and gang members aren't "demonically possessed", and further more they don't need to be, humanity is perfectly capable of committing all that and more on it's own. Like it or not the human race has some pretty bad apples with everything that entails. The "devil" isn't the source of the problem here. The sheer size of this issue is once again totally within the capabilities of Humanity, no outside help required.

Thanks all I know is I am being bother by a spirit and lately is annoying me a lot, last night the spirit was really annoying me so I decided to open my Exorcism book and read about what could be my problem, and found the chapter about Demon possession, I have not slept all night nor day, I am very tired, now is hard for me to understand complex messages like the above one, I must sleep.

 

[Asteriskos]

Josephine McCarthy is a woman of many contradictions and suspect claims. It would be wise not to take anything she says concerning the world of magic or the occult as practical and should maybe be reframed as an extension of world building her many sub-par fantasy novels.

With this being said, the most severe misunderstanding here is attributing primordial higher principles (even as dark as they are) to lesser beings such as demons. Demons have only as much power as you assign them and are limited in their scope whereas principles such as war and murder/killing are transcendent universals that supersede the scope of any consolidated intelligence, whether demonic or not, which is why these principles are usually assigned to dieties. This is an amateur take to assign anything that involves suffering as "demonic" and showcases not only inexperience with the occult philosophies but with demons as entities themselves.

But Josephine McCarthy rather curiously wears with pride the fact that she doesnt read or study (which is strange coming from a prolific author who's livelihood is dependent on people buying her books to READ) so I guess that explains the ignorance towards the philosophy of universals, and beyond that likes to make the claim that she stopped practicing magic during the time she was raising her children (which at minimum would be 18 years) which also explains why her inexperience with demons has led to her assigning such magnificent powers to a class of spirits that are way below the scope of that type of influence.

I agree with what you've said here about McCarthy, came to that conclusion shortly after she published the tree books that are something of a prelude or extract from the Quareia material. I have one thing to add to it though. She claims (as does R.J. Stewart separately) that they were both ritually cursed by Bill Gray, he did have a reputation for doing that if someone didn't particularly agree with him. I'm pretty sure they were still together as partners and students of his when he supposedly did that. I thought that dovetailed nicely with the things you mentioned!

 

[KjEno186]

Josephine McCarthy is a woman of many contradictions and suspect claims.

I've read some of her work. Enjoyable as it was, and she's an entertaining writer, you're right.

She's not alone, however. There's a saying I recall reading somewhere that goes: In [the United States of] America, everyone's a Protestant, even the Catholics, Jews, and Atheists. I'd probably add Neo Pagans to that list as well. There was a time I enjoyed reading the blog of a certain former archdruid who made it no secret that he didn't like Christianity. Yet many of his readers were practicing Christians. The mind set was all the same, just the deities worshipped were "different".

For a time I thought it was probably just my own odd observation, but recently I was reading Pacts With the Devil by S. Jason Black and Christopher S. Hyatt. I was astonished to read that Mr Black shares my viewpoint. In Chapter 7 under the subtitle "Binary Fascism", where 'binary' refers to the mind set that sees the world in terms of 'saved' and 'damned' (see my previous post in the thread), and 'fascism' is likely a reference to closed-minded intolerance, he writes:

Someone, even a “new-ager” or “occultist,” who is born into the European Christian matrix will constantly be dividing things up into good and bad, positive and negative. How many of us know people who say, “I have a positive philosophy” or, “I only practice White Magic.” They then point out a group or individual that they label “negative” and bludgeon them with their positive attitude. This is nothing more than Judeo-Christian legalism and judgmentalism in a thin disguise.

Then in Chapter 8, "Modern Influences: Fear and Repression", he continues:

Unfortunately, more than a decade of being active in and around long-standing esoteric groups has proven that ninety-nine percent of the participants will move heaven and earth to avoid such genuine results as those described at the end of the last chapter. Mr. Huson’s ritual [of saying the Lord's Prayer backwards] is no longer encouraged by any group I am personally acquainted with, and the once-promising “neo-pagan” movement has degenerated into a thinly-disguised Judeo-Christian religion that has ousted the horned god and goddess and replaced them with Jesus in a dress. One “magical” group that I have been involved with seems to have dropped the serious practice of magic in favor of empty religious rituals and stereotypical dead-guru worship. [...]

Since the end of the Renaissance, Western society has been under the domination of Calvinism and the Protestant world view—the direct parents of Victorian materialism—a fact often vehemently denied by the Victorian tradition.

Nevertheless, historically, “God” became more distant from his creation. Psychic phenomena of all kinds were more and more repressed by the Lutheran/Calvinist influence. Ultimately, the witch trials stopped because there was no longer any need for them. The witches and sorcerers had lost their heritage.

Now, I can agree that a country run by crime bosses is an awful place, and very probably there is demonic influence involved. But then you might have to admit that demons have given success to persons in more civil societies, people you'll never know about because they've made the right pacts and live lives of luxury far from the hoi polloi. The propaganda is that success comes from the Protestant Work Ethic, but is that really so?

What concerns me is the repressive nature of fanatical Christian Fundamentalism on the right and intolerant secular Progressives on the left. It appears as though each side ups the ante by pointing out the excesses of their opponents. The result is a society that strives to be ever "safer" while making everything illegal. After all, the ultimate form of control is to have the population police itself through fear as a result of generations of repression.

 

[Asteriskos]

I've read some of her work. Enjoyable as it was, and she's an entertaining writer, you're right.

She's not alone, however. There's a saying I recall reading somewhere that goes: In [the United States of] America, everyone's a Protestant, even the Catholics, Jews, and Atheists. I'd probably add Neo Pagans to that list as well. There was a time I enjoyed reading the blog of a certain former archdruid who made it no secret that he didn't like Christianity. Yet many of his readers were practicing Christians. The mind set was all the same, just the deities worshipped were "different".

For a time I thought it was probably just my own odd observation, but recently I was reading Pacts With the Devil by S. Jason Black and Christopher S. Hyatt. I was astonished to read that Mr Black shares my viewpoint. In Chapter 7 under the subtitle "Binary Fascism", where 'binary' refers to the mind set that sees the world in terms of 'saved' and 'damned' (see my previous post in the thread), and 'fascism' is likely a reference to closed-minded intolerance, he writes:



Then in Chapter 8, "Modern Influences: Fear and Repression", he continues:



Now, I can agree that a country run by crime bosses is an awful place, and very probably there is demonic influence involved. But then you might have to admit that demons have given success to persons in more civil societies, people you'll never know about because they've made the right pacts and live lives of luxury far from the hoi polloi. The propaganda is that success comes from the Protestant Work Ethic, but is that really so?

What concerns me is the repressive nature of fanatical Christian Fundamentalism on the right and intolerant secular Progressives on the left. It appears as though each side ups the ante by pointing out the excesses of their opponents. The result is a society that strives to be ever "safer" while making everything illegal. After all, the ultimate form of control is to have the population police itself through fear as a result of generations of repression.

Well said, and Thought Out!

 

[Elontir]

I am going to cite from Josephine McCarthy´s book called "The Exorcist´s Handbook":

"So in all, the general types of demonic beings that tend to express in our world are:
1. Smaller human-connected ones that are trying to live a life on the ‘surface’ and live by means of feeding their conditionality usually through extremism of personality. 2. Medium-sized demonic beings that express in a single or small amount of humans through the build up and then execution of an act that will generate bigger amounts of power, such as mass murder, suicides, sex deaths, or other violent acts.
3. Large, deep, and ancient demonic beings that express through society, government, land mass, or large groups of people, and basically drive the lemmings over the cliff. They will manoeuvre a large amount of people to behave in an extreme way that will end in war, murder, or suicides. They are sometimes intent on creating an environment that will suitable for them to live in the human world indefinitely."

I am from Mexico and I think we suffer from a Demonic infestation as said in N. 3 from Mc Carthy´s book, our country is filled with mass murders, and women being raped and later being murdered, I will cite again from the book another important paragraph about demonic possessions:

"So a demonic possession is more likely to become involved in mass murder, destruction of a group, place, or structure, or major societal/cultural interference. Deeper demonic beings are seen very rarely but when they do emerge they are huge, they work through major power structures or land/weather patterns and tend to cause massive change in our cultures."

I find it strange in a country where there is usually a high level of devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe... but then I remember that there is even more devotion to that demonic entity, "Death," and that is precisely what is generating more death.

 

[Asteriskos]

Before I get out of this thread for good I'm curious about what we accept as "today's world". The advent of WWII took place just under a century ago. Britain entered in 1939 and the USA in 1941. To many of you young people that may not be in "today's world" from your POV, but it is in mine. That said, the Degree and Number of atrocities was beyond some folks understanding. There were many secret (at the time) collaborations of the Allies concerning the Occult involvement of Germany in all it's ramifications, as well as each doing so discreetly on their own. Damn, Hitler himself stated that he felt he was being used by insidious dark forces. The degree of atrocities by both Germany and Japan were unprecedented, so heinous and reprehensible that the US "Nuked" Japan, and the Allies pretty well devastated Germany. My point here is a Lot of this was not caused by the "obsession or possession" en masse, IMO! Claiming that "Oh, I was Possessed" is a handy cop out if there ever was one! I do believe that it's Possible for certain people, in some cases to be overshadowed / obsessed and less commonly possessed by Something stronger than themselves. If we accept that demonic participation in the Mexico / Latin America milieu is a real factor, how much More or Less was it in WWII? Just want to hear the rationale on that one!

 

[KjEno186]

the Allies pretty well devastated Germany.

Like the firebombing of Dresden that killed 130,000 people, mostly civilians. One might begin to wonder if such a "burnt offering" was made by a small esoteric group to some deity. And if we try to imagine that such a thing isn't possible in an advanced society, consider that a disciplined military chain of command does not require obsession or possession en masse, as you put it. The levers of power have made it possible for only a relatively few to steer events on a massive scale.

It does appear that mass hypnosis is being attempted in order to protect such channels of influence. Whatever one might believe about the events of the last 10 years, and especially since 2020, it has been educational to me to observe both the propaganda and reactions from the population. More than a few commentators have suggested demonic influence, and Dr Mattias Desmet proposed the concept of mass formation (hypnosis).

Now, take what I wrote just now carefully in mind. I'm using "demonic" for the sake of convenience. I'm still of the belief that daemons are neither good nor evil, but humans can work with them towards ends which may be considered harmful or helpful, depending on one's perspective.

The stories of Yahweh and the Elohim in the Old Testament suggest that said deities are actually powerful daemons. We're told that they are "God" by the writers of the various books, but that doesn't make it so. The Source of all things doesn't need sacrifices in my opinion, yet to this day religious Jews practice the blood sacrifices of ritual circumcision and kosher blessing while draining the blood from meat. On the other hand, when practicioners of Santeria wanted to ritually sacrifice some farm animals (chicken, sheep, goats) to offer the blood to their own gods, essentially doing the same thing that Jewish rabbis practice daily in kosher butchers, the animals were confiscated and Santeros arrested. Are we not effectively hypnotized to find one practice repulsive and the other perfectly fine? The laws are a reflection of programmed religious bigotry on the part of a large, fearful, repressed middle class. This is just one example of what I stated in my previous comment:

The result is a society that strives to be ever "safer" while making everything illegal. After all, the ultimate form of control is to have the population police itself through fear as a result of generations of repression.

I'm perfectly fine with Jews making blood sacrifices, cloaked as they are under the guise of butchering animals for food. But if they can do it legally, then everyone has the right to do it. Let the laws be about actual crimes against true victims, and balance will gradually return. If the Mexican cartels are using daemonic powers to amplify their crimes, it is only because those who should be responsible for upholding a degree of societal order for the benefit of all have failed in some way. Government brutality does not constitute a "social contract" worthy of acceptance.

 

[Asteriskos]

Like the firebombing of Dresden that killed 130,000 people, mostly civilians. One might begin to wonder if such a "burnt offering" was made by a small esoteric group to some deity. And if we try to imagine that such a thing isn't possible in an advanced society, consider that a disciplined military chain of command does not require obsession or possession en masse, as you put it. The levers of power have made it possible for only a relatively few to steer events on a massive scale.

It does appear that mass hypnosis is being attempted in order to protect such channels of influence. Whatever one might believe about the events of the last 10 years, and especially since 2020, it has been educational to me to observe both the propaganda and reactions from the population. More than a few commentators have suggested demonic influence, and Dr Mattias Desmet proposed the concept of mass formation (hypnosis).

Now, take what I wrote just now carefully in mind. I'm using "demonic" for the sake of convenience. I'm still of the belief that daemons are neither good nor evil, but humans can work with them towards ends which may be considered harmful or helpful, depending on one's perspective.

The stories of Yahweh and the Elohim in the Old Testament suggest that said deities are actually powerful daemons. We're told that they are "God" by the writers of the various books, but that doesn't make it so. The Source of all things doesn't need sacrifices in my opinion, yet to this day religious Jews practice the blood sacrifices of ritual circumcision and kosher blessing while draining the blood from meat. On the other hand, when practicioners of Santeria wanted to ritually sacrifice some farm animals (chicken, sheep, goats) to offer the blood to their own gods, essentially doing the same thing that Jewish rabbis practice daily in kosher butchers, the animals were confiscated and Santeros arrested. Are we not effectively hypnotized to find one practice repulsive and the other perfectly fine? The laws are a reflection of programmed religious bigotry on the part of a large, fearful, repressed middle class. This is just one example of what I stated in my previous comment:


I'm perfectly fine with Jews making blood sacrifices, cloaked as they are under the guise of butchering animals for food. But if they can do it legally, then everyone has the right to do it. Let the laws be about actual crimes against true victims, and balance will gradually return. If the Mexican cartels are using daemonic powers to amplify their crimes, it is only because those who should be responsible for upholding a degree of societal order for the benefit of all have failed in some way. Government brutality does not constitute a "social contract" worthy of acceptance.

As usual I find your insights profoundly thought provoking! I agree with you to a much greater extent than I might disagree. "Demons, Daemons and even Daimons", one can banter semantics forever. It would be a mistake for anyone to think that I treat the subject lightly. What you perceive happening in the current "milieu" is fascinating to me, and... I can agree with few reservations! What's happening in Mexico currently is indeed horrible, some folks are unaware though that the Nazi's made lamp shades of Human Skin! Of course these things extend far back into antiquity, so to obtain an accurate perspective requires an insight such as yours!

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Like the firebombing of Dresden that killed 130,000 people, mostly civilians. One might begin to wonder if such a "burnt offering" was made by a small esoteric group to some deity. And if we try to imagine that such a thing isn't possible in an advanced society, consider that a disciplined military chain of command does not require obsession or possession en masse, as you put it. The levers of power have made it possible for only a relatively few to steer events on a massive scale.

Consider the so-called symbolic "Cremation of Care" at the foot of their 40 foot Owl by a few so-called elites at the Bohemian Grove in California.
This is more overt that covert in my opinion, but it suggests to me that the message is: "Sure we know how to do this, you should see what we do in Private! To say that a much larger group of people that have "specialized" in pulling the wool over the eyes of the "masses" for centuries if not millennia aren't using esoteric principles and practices to further their own ends and causes would be naive at best in my opinion.
They've thought of a Lot, but have they thought of Everything? They have a Lot of toys including psychology, technology and Occultism, what
do they think they can accomplish? There are some perceptive folks here, and considering all the factors that you mention I simply find it hard to
believe they think we haven't noticed their B$ at all? Going forward "small groups" can accomplish a Lot! Within the ranks of the so-called elite as a whole entity I think there are indeed "factions" that sometimes agree and sometimes are at odds, so things move a little slower than they might like. Just like androids though they haven't ever completely stopped, too Greedy, Power Hungry and a select few might even be "Possessed"?

 

[Audiolog Edu]

I find it strange in a country where there is usually a high level of devotion to the Virgin of Guadalupe... but then I remember that there is even more devotion to that demonic entity, "Death," and that is precisely what is generating more death.

I honestly think this mexicans are just bad, very bad by heart, they kill a lot of their own women, they fake to be religious to be honest

As usual I find your insights profoundly thought provoking! I agree with you to a much greater extent than I might disagree. "Demons, Daemons and even Daimons", one can banter semantics forever. It would be a mistake for anyone to think that I treat the subject lightly. What you perceive happening in the current "milieu" is fascinating to me, and... I can agree with few reservations! What's happening in Mexico currently is indeed horrible, some folks are unaware though that the Nazi's made lamp shades of Human Skin! Of course these things extend far back into antiquity, so to obtain an accurate perspective requires an insight such as yours!

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Consider the so-called symbolic "Cremation of Care" at the foot of their 40 foot Owl by a few so-called elites at the Bohemian Grove in California.
This is more overt that covert in my opinion, but it suggests to me that the message is: "Sure we know how to do this, you should see what we do in Private! To say that a much larger group of people that have "specialized" in pulling the wool over the eyes of the "masses" for centuries if not millennia aren't using esoteric principles and practices to further their own ends and causes would be naive at best in my opinion.
They've thought of a Lot, but have they thought of Everything? They have a Lot of toys including psychology, technology and Occultism, what
do they think they can accomplish? There are some perceptive folks here, and considering all the factors that you mention I simply find it hard to
believe they think we haven't noticed their B$ at all? Going forward "small groups" can accomplish a Lot! Within the ranks of the so-called elite as a whole entity I think there are indeed "factions" that sometimes agree and sometimes are at odds, so things move a little slower than they might like. Just like androids though they haven't ever completely stopped, too Greedy, Power Hungry and a select few might even be "Possessed"?

Sir can we chat? I promise I will behave and wont be pushy, I want to talk about Aurum Solis and Hermetism, also things like Neo Platonism and Greek Mythology please.

 

[FireBorn]

Josephine McCarthy is a woman of many contradictions and suspect claims. It would be wise not to take anything she says concerning the world of magic or the occult as practical and should maybe be reframed as an extension of world building her many sub-par fantasy novels.

With this being said, the most severe misunderstanding here is attributing primordial higher principles (even as dark as they are) to lesser beings such as demons. Demons have only as much power as you assign them and are limited in their scope whereas principles such as war and murder/killing are transcendent universals that supersede the scope of any consolidated intelligence, whether demonic or not, which is why these principles are usually assigned to dieties. This is an amateur take to assign anything that involves suffering as "demonic" and showcases not only inexperience with the occult philosophies but with demons as entities themselves.

But Josephine McCarthy rather curiously wears with pride the fact that she doesnt read or study (which is strange coming from a prolific author who's livelihood is dependent on people buying her books to READ) so I guess that explains the ignorance towards the philosophy of universals, and beyond that likes to make the claim that she stopped practicing magic during the time she was raising her children (which at minimum would be 18 years) which also explains why her inexperience with demons has led to her assigning such magnificent powers to a class of spirits that are way below the scope of that type of influence.

If Josephine McCarthy is wrong, by what standard? Is it because her approach doesn’t match your worldview, or because her results are provably invalid? Are we gatekeeping authority in magic by literary citation alone, or do lived experiences, real-world workings, and field-tested patterns count for something?

What fantasy novels does she write? Are you confusing her with someone else perhaps?

I’m not even defending her. I’ve read parts of one of her books, liked a few things she said, and that’s it. But in a forum where books carry lots of weight, it’s worth pointing out: most occult authors contradict each other anyway. That’s the genre. Personal systems, different lenses. I mean, if there was one “right” way to do magic, we wouldn’t have thousands of books about it.

And honestly, this whole debate shows how subjective all of this is. Just look at any thread about demons or angels, nobody agrees on what they are or how they operate. It’s experience-based. Doesn’t mean anyone’s wrong, it means this is a living system.

So I’m only pushing back because nuance matters. What’s better, study, or doing? If she can get results without quoting everyone else’s theory, is that a problem? Unless there’s some unspoken hierarchy of approved methods, I don’t see the issue.

And if there is a hierarchy? Then… I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

If Josephine McCarthy is wrong, by what standard? Is it because her approach doesn’t match your worldview, or because her results are provably invalid? Are we gatekeeping authority in magic by literary citation alone, or do lived experiences, real-world workings, and field-tested patterns count for something?

What fantasy novels does she write? Are you confusing her with someone else perhaps?

I’m not even defending her. I’ve read parts of one of her books, liked a few things she said, and that’s it. But in a forum where books carry lots of weight, it’s worth pointing out: most occult authors contradict each other anyway. That’s the genre. Personal systems, different lenses. I mean, if there was one “right” way to do magic, we wouldn’t have thousands of books about it.

And honestly, this whole debate shows how subjective all of this is. Just look at any thread about demons or angels, nobody agrees on what they are or how they operate. It’s experience-based. Doesn’t mean anyone’s wrong, it means this is a living system.

So I’m only pushing back because nuance matters. What’s better, study, or doing? If she can get results without quoting everyone else’s theory, is that a problem? Unless there’s some unspoken hierarchy of approved methods, I don’t see the issue.

And if there is a hierarchy? Then… I don’t know what to tell you.

The critique was on her inconsistent claims. One of the hallmarks for charlatans is that their writing and ideas conflict with each other. Its because they're making things up as they go along and can't keep their stories straight. Josephine McCarthy also makes a lot of claims about not studying, reading, or practicing and then claims to be an authority by god-given talent alone. I don't know if you're familiar with this type of personality but they're usually grifters.

 

[FireBorn]

The critique was on her inconsistent claims. One of the hallmarks for charlatans is that their writing and ideas conflict with each other. Its because they're making things up as they go along and can't keep their stories straight. Josephine McCarthy also makes a lot of claims about not studying, reading, or practicing and then claims to be an authority by god-given talent alone. I don't know if you're familiar with this type of personality but they're usually grifters.

Fair enough, I don’t know enough about all her claims to say if they’re fully consistent across the board. But just curious: are the things you're pointing out actual contradictions, or is she holding paradox cleanly? There’s a big difference. Is it inconsistency… or evolution of personal practice?

Name an occult author who doesn’t contradict themselves. Crowley, Skinner, Hine, Carroll, all of them have inconsistencies. Are they charlatans too? Or just operating within a tradition that values gnosis over doctrine?

IF McCarthy’s made claims you find questionable or disagree with, that’s valid as hell, and I usually resonate with your posts. This one just gave me pause, that’s all.

 

[Asteriskos]

I honestly think this mexicans are just bad, very bad by heart, they kill a lot of their own women, they fake to be religious to be honest

Sir can we chat? I promise I will behave and wont be pushy, I want to talk about Aurum Solis and Hermetism, also things like Neo Platonism and Greek Mythology please.

At some point in the future! Right now I'm pretty swamped planning some stuff and will be off the forum for some days, don't know yet how long it will be though, several days minimum to several weeks possible. When I get back I may very likely have some new stuff I'd like to post,
I'm "Finished in This Thread, as in DONE!" I suggest that you initiate some research on your own or check with some other members in the interim? I may not be the right person to answer those particular questions. I've moved on and no longer practice the AS system, per se, though
I've surgically extracted a few key pieces that resemble the "Star Ruby", et al. There's an enormous amount of information on that stuff available, and... I also notice that you have access to to the "net"! And, one final thing, you can call me Jay, or you can call me Ray, but you Don't have to call me Sir!

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

I don't deny that there can be magic solution for your country, but I think that it isn't in exorcism.

As McCarthy said herself, the best way to get through those things is developping immunity against them. You can create so many amulats, banishing twice a day etc.. you will still go through unclean waters.

 

[MorganBlack]

Neat conversation! I love Aurum Solis, and from my teen years in the 1980's grew up on that stuff. I still cherish my hardback books of 'Magical Philsophy' by Denning & Phillips. I always wondered why they were not more popular.

I think even we goetic magicians are beginning now to revist the benefits we got from 1980's to 1990's training systems like the A.S., Golden Dawn, even perverted Uncle Al's A.A. Getting straight with your "Above" before you go "Below" is a good idea.

And an aside, might I also recommend Zen meditation, along with non-visionary Theravada Buddhist practices. Sometimes you just need to turn the sublunar realm's laser-light and smoke show down, tell the spirits and demi-deities to fuck off because you're trying to meditate, and get right with unmediated consiouness as best we can.

RE: the drug violence. I am so sorry you have to experience this fucked up situation.. I'm a Mexican American - Anglo Texican and have spent a lot of time traveling in Mexico, which I adore. Not to get too conspiratorial but I would not blame Mexicans for the cartels. Before summoning Godzilla (the U.S. government ) to get involved , who usually just levels the entire city, some (but maybe not all) of these groups may be CIA cutouts. As the poor, maybe-assassinated journalist Gary Webb revealed, the CIA might be better thought of as the Cocaine Intelligence Agency heh! . There are no bigger legit demons than greed, corruption, and empire.

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[Morell]

As McCarthy said herself, the best way to get through those things is developping immunity against them. You can create so many amulats, banishing twice a day etc.. you will still go through unclean waters.

That term, imunity, sounds so wrong... There is no final sollution in defense against spirits. With the rest you are correct. And it relates, in fact. We cannot live in the world separated from it. We need to interact. And the world constantly changes and adapts, physical as well as spiritual. So yeah, you have to not only go through dirty waters, but to become well prepared to the various moods of those waters and to learn to expect the dangers, deal and be ready to adapt.