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agloval

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I've never been particularly into conspiracy theories, but it's something I've occasionally wondered about. I think we can all agree that complete privacy on the internet is pretty much an illusion. Websites can log IP addresses, retain user data and private messages, and have security vulnerabilities that most users know very little about.

There are also plenty of historical examples of intelligence agencies and law enforcement keeping an eye on online communities, sometimes through infiltration and sometimes by exploiting weaknesses in the platforms themselves. It's not exactly a secret that online activity can leave a fairly extensive digital trail.

I'm not suggesting that anything untoward is going on here, or that Wizard Forums is being specifically watched. I'm just curious about how people see this, particularly given the sort of subjects discussed on forums like this. Do you reckon niche communities tend to fly under the radar, or can you imagine circumstances in which they might attract a bit more attention than their members would expect?

I'd be interested to hear from anyone with a background in cybersecurity or experience running online communities, particularly regarding how much information forum operators can actually access and how securely it's handled.
 

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Unless someone starts talking about illegal things - which is expressly forbidden by The Rules anyway - I can't imagine the Men in Black being bothered with us.
 

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If I was a federal agent, and one of my hobby interests was the occult and paranormal (maybe because I'm a fan of X-Files or something), I would almost certainly browse this website in my off-hours. However, I don't think there's any kind of formal investigation into this website happening right now. Is it being monitored? Oh yes, I'm certain. But is that any reason to be concerned? No, I don't think so...


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Where’s my like button on here? Haha 😂
In controversy we don't have like / reaction button.

I think this to not have a sort of possible spamming of troll, angry or sad emotion which would affect one's reaction score as those reactions are negative. And it is pretty laughable to understand that if the like button was active and someone was a little bit snowflakey, that they would spam the Angry, Sad or Troll reactions 🤣🤣🤣.
 

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In controversy we don't have like / reaction button.

I think this to not have a sort of possible spamming of troll, angry or sad emotion which would affect one's reaction score as those reactions are negative. And it is pretty laughable to understand that if the like button was active and someone was a little bit snowflakey, that they would spam the Angry, Sad or Troll reactions 🤣🤣🤣.
I imagined it haha, I just wanted to express it somehow lol. But yeah, that makes total sense. There’s always that one smartass who downvotes everything because they’re against everything and everyone.
 

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Unless someone starts talking about illegal things - which is expressly forbidden by The Rules anyway - I can't imagine the Men in Black being bothered with us.
Ah, but Robert, you forget that a certain country's government has declared anything un-Christian as illegal and a vector of terrorism. It doesn't make sense and is obviously not reality, but what ever makes sense with these people? All it has to do is give that government permission to do what people have done to us for eons - hunt us down and persecute us if it suits them for political theater.

Here's the text from NSPM-7, from the WH website:

Common threads animating this violent conduct include anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality.

I imagine that any lawsuit for violation of the First Amendment and freedom of religion won't be much help if we've already been burned at the stake. This is a real concern we should all have.

@agloval In terms of who cares what we say, beyond what's above, I've quizzed ChatGPT about some occult practices and asked for sources, curious what it would give me, and seen it scrape data from WF. So what we say is public and being scraped and stored and used.
 

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Here's hoping the Men in Black all got fired along with everyone else in the US Government who showed the slightest iota of competence.
 

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Ah, but Robert, you forget that a certain country's government has declared anything un-Christian as illegal and a vector of terrorism. It doesn't make sense and is obviously not reality, but what ever makes sense with these people? All it has to do is give that government permission to do what people have done to us for eons - hunt us down and persecute us if it suits them for political theater.

Here's the text from NSPM-7, from the WH website:



I imagine that any lawsuit for violation of the First Amendment and freedom of religion won't be much help if we've already been burned at the stake. This is a real concern we should all have.

@agloval In terms of who cares what we say, beyond what's above, I've quizzed ChatGPT about some occult practices and asked for sources, curious what it would give me, and seen it scrape data from WF. So what we say is public and being scraped and stored and used.
I think you might have a point, honestly. I'm getting dangerously close to putting on my tinfoil hat over here (no offence to anyone who actually wears one, please 😂). But jokes aside, that's partly why I was asking. These days, it feels like almost every trace we leave online can be collected, archived, analysed or fed into some AI system, especially now that everyone's burning tokens on AI for practically everything.

'm less concerned about someone specifically watching a niche occult forum and more curious about how much of our digital footprint is being gathered and what might eventually be done with it. Maybe nobody cares about our little corner of the internet right now, but the data is still out there.
 

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I think you might have a point, honestly. I'm getting dangerously close to putting on my tinfoil hat over here (no offence to anyone who actually wears one, please 😂). But jokes aside, that's partly why I was asking. These days, it feels like almost every trace we leave online can be collected, archived, analysed or fed into some AI system, especially now that everyone's burning tokens on AI for practically everything.

'm less concerned about someone specifically watching a niche occult forum and more curious about how much of our digital footprint is being gathered and what might eventually be done with it. Maybe nobody cares about our little corner of the internet right now, but the data is still out there.
If you're concerned about being monitored, then I can tell you this:
Online tracking isn't magic, it's based largely on combining facts to pinpoint unique users and build data sets from that. That's not an issue as long as said data never gets linked to your real identity.
This is largely done based on:
  • Shared logins (if you log into everything with Google, then yeah, putting the pieces together isn't hard)
  • IP address, which shows your rough location
  • Any identifying information you share, which is now really easy to track down thanks to AI summarizing big heaps of text very efficiently
  • Browser metadata
  • Cookies

Anyway, I typed out this whole post explaining digital fingerprinting but I realized I don't know your familiarity with the matter. This could be me over-explaining things you already know, so sorry if that is the case. Feel free to skip if so. Anyway, goes.

When you visit a website, your browser sends all of this information to the computer(s) hosting the website. Most of this information is only available to the recipient thanks to TLS. Outside of that, the information needs to be routed to said recipient, which requires knowing your IP address as well as the recipient's IP address. As such, anyone along the way can see you talked to that person, which includes your internet service provider.

There is a hidden asterisk here though, which is that the modern internet is more interlinked than ever. When I login to a website using a Google account, that website asks Google to do the login process, and Google then comes back with the email address afterwards. This is called OAuth, which is good for password security, but bad for privacy, as it means the authorization server (Google in this case) knows you logged into that website.

Cookies are pieces of text/numbers and their associated labels that a website can store for itself. They are stored locally on your device, as you probably know. However, they cannot be shared between websites directly. This is to prevent hackers from just reading your bank's cookies to steal your login tokens. That being said, websites can use cookies to identify you on repeated visits, and the owners of websites can share cookies and associated information behind the scenes.

In the case of WF, this all means that your privacy is largely dependent on whoever hosts the website. They can see your browser metadata, your cookies, your IP address and your shared private info.

Additionally, your physical device can be impounded by the police. If this happens, they will scrape your history and most visited websites from the browser. These are just stored in an unencrypted file. In order to gain access to your device, the police can use your face or fingerprint to unlock it, but you are not legally required to provide them your password. As such I recommend everyone who cares about their privacy to use actual passwords/codes to lock their devices.

All that being said, if you really want your activity on WF to remain private, your goal is effectively to prevent your activity on the website to be linked with other places and eventually your real identity. To do this, you can hide your IP address via a VPN. You can use a privacy-focused browser like librewolf to prevent fingerprinting based on your settings and metadata, as well as to clear your history after leaving a website. Avoid sharing personal information (which is good practice regardless).
WF uses its own login system so you won't be linked through a shared Google account on that front.

If you do those things, the hosts of WF will see your VPN's IP instead of yours. They'll see your browser metadata, but it will be so generic as to be untraceable. They'll see your cookies, but they'll only be the ones that they create and they won't be linked to anything else. They'll see what you post, but not have anything to link it back to.

When hackers or targets of interest get traced, 9 times out of 10 it's because they did something obvious like failing to hide their IP, logging into an account that they're associated with (i.e. connecting to a website with cookies that contain their identity) from their hidden IP, or just generally having something unique to them in their browser settings/metadata.
A famous example is Ross Ulbricht, who was the owner of the silk road and was caught because he used the email [email protected] with his clients. Using your full, real name is in fact a good way to get traced to your real life identity.

Or if you trust the WF owners, you can just stick to the VPN because none of the other stuff matters. Still, anyone can get hacked.
 
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