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"Field analysis of these phenomena requires a specialized protocol to preserve the privacy of the location. Drawing upon decades of research into Eastern origins (such as the school of al-Buni), we find that the interaction is not with the passing 'soul,' but rather with the 'fiery double' (the Qareen) which possesses a complete informational imprint. This is what enables you to end the suffering in a single session."
My point is this: this whole setup and claim doesn’t make sense, the numbers don’t add up to what they’ve claimed, and it has most of the red flags of a scam (the avatar, new member, promise of a comfortable lifestyle doing your dream job, stated numbers just don’t add up, blah blah blah) tbh.
Now maybe the op is scamming people, lying to sound cool, over estimating the actual earning potential due to a one off amazing gig, or maybe they’ve actually found a highly profitable niche. Now I doubt the last one but I’m always interested in learning something new so I asked additional questions and gave them a chance to explain it.
They gave some traveling nurse stuff and some other sources of income, etc… but that still doesn’t add up to the $6,500 average (minimum) for a 1 day gig that they claimed. They also kept mentioning how a lot of people think it’s fake which is often used when you aren’t being truthful to defend against people calling you out. One member up above said they work for someone similar but still haven’t been called up. Anyway we can run in circles with this instead of just actually answering my questions (another red flag) but anyway guess I’m out again.
This is a public thread I asked if anyone else ever wanting to be a paranormal investigator and their reason, because it’s a dangerous field. futureshop works in the field, so they at least know the field exists. Can’t people have their dream job?
I’m not scamming anyone, and I don't offer anything, so I don’t understand why I’m having to defend myself against your assumptions. If I were trying to scam anyone, I’d have posted many pages of ads by now, which there was none.
I’m not even going to get into the fact that you’ve come at me more than once over my new account and even my avatar. If you can’t tell what’s true from what I’ve written previously, then ask the 30-40 spirits and entities you work with to read the current for you. I’m sure at least one of them would be willing to help you out. Now let’s get back to the topic.
Someone that I helped with their self-initiation about 22 years ago said they were considering doing something like this, which got me thinking about it.
If it involves going to a location then travel, accommodation, meals, proper PPE and insurance if entering a hazardous area, security and legal if necessary, and any other relevant costs would have to be covered by the client for me to even consider it. The cost is already adding up and that is before pay for my time and effort is included.
The cost may discourage time wasters, but also discourages legitimate who can't afford.
My nation and planet gets treatment from the work with aligning with the celestial I do while incarnate anyhow. While its rewarding that doesn't get much recognition or pay. A pittance considering...but such is the way of the bodhisattva.
Sounds great in the movies and in the novels. But usually there is no pay involved, everybody takes you for a fraud and you just exert yourself trying to help people do not want to pay you at all. I had an experience with an exorcism and it was a loooooong attrition fight against the entity. It took around 8 months of going at least twice a month to do the work, in the end the family paid what they could and I left from the experience tired. My rules for taking this jobs are: 1) Never go looking for them and 2) Expect they are not going to pay what it really costs your time.
It can still be help even when there’s money involved. This is basically like a traveling nurse job, but instead of treating patients and traveling as a nurse, you’re treating something unseen and helping people get back on their feet after years of being tormented. The corruption part is really only for people who are scamming, charging money instead of doing the work and not delivering help. Same thing with fake readers out there, they still charge, but they don’t deliver anything of substance.
And you know how anything recorded, photographed, or put on TV is just for show and performances? People doing the work aren’t on TV, because this kind of thing isn’t meant to be flashy.
Like traveling nurses as an example. They genuinely want to help, but they still have to get paid in order to travel and help patients. Same with paranormal investigators, the real ones, not the performers on TV. They still need to be paid to travel to the location and work on site. They still have to buy flight tickets, materials for rituals, etc.
Most people think it’s just a few hours of work a day on site, but these cases are very severe. You end up working 13+ hours on site, doing rituals back to back. And the more people involved or the more people getting haunted, the more work it becomes, because you’re technically trying your best to get them back on their feet.
And a lot of the time, the reason other people “working on it” didn’t work isn’t complicated, it can be something simple, like an ancestor haunting. That’s blood related, so you can’t just banish them. And when you dig more into it, sometimes they just want their family to find their body and give them a proper burial. But meanwhile, the activity in the house can cause the family members all kinds of trauma.
And where things that are marked “haunted,” or items that have been touched by other entities/spirits, get handed to you because people don’t want to deal with them. You can spell those things and sell them, or sell them as is. Either way, it can be another source of income that doesn’t come from corruption. It comes from the history of places where you get them, and from you putting your own magick into it. And if you sell to collectors, a lot of those folks know magick, they can see energy through a picture and they can see it’s real. They can use those items as talismans, or imbue their own magick and make something new. So you’re still putting your honest work and magick into it if you decide to sell it. Or you can keep it at home and use it for something else.
And just like with a traveling nurse, if you were a patient you might give them flowers or chocolate as gratitude. Clients can tip you too, and often generously because they can feel the effects immediately and on site. Like the place just doesn’t feel dark or oppressive anymore, or it doesn’t smell horrible after years of suffering. But that’s a full day of real work for you.
There are a lot of different kinds of paranormal investigators too. Again, I mean the real ones, not the flashy fake ones on TV. Sometimes they focus on one thing and one thing only, like helping families who had someone die and they can’t find the body. Sometimes it’s more about haunting places and dark entities. It’s all honest work, and it comes with real danger. But people often assume it’s fake because of all the fake TV stuff, which is honestly sad.
I mean even having a YouTube channel, you get popular enough, you can make real money from YouTube. Would you call that corruption?
You can’t, because to get there you still have to put a lot of sweat into the channel, and maybe teach real magick based on what you actually know if you like to share. But to each their own.
I'm sure that you mean well and possibly even do that job yourself, but I disagree with you. Sure you can be of help, that's for sure, but corruption is not only in scamming, it is in being dependent on income from this work. In fact even magically you need the world to generate people you can help so that you get enough of money. If there were none, you would starve. Yet that should be the goal of helping...
In fact the same goes for teaching. In the moment you make a living out of it, you need either constant flow of students like in school or you need them to need you as long as possible and to learn as little as possible and to always see you as greater. Because if you taught them to do same as you do, you would be raising competition that would make your life harder.
I have my job, mundane job that society needs constantly. Thanks tot hat I earn more than I spend, because I watch my spending. A rare quality to spend less than I earn so I can save. So I came to conclusion that I have enough of money and do not need any more of it. This switch of mindset was incredible, because it made me more charitable and also allows me to do things like my channel Glorious Invocation without reward. Doing it is a reward on itself. The ability to motivate myself without physical reward is freedom and creates abundance in the world. It took me time to understand why my spirits forbade me to do occult and spiritual stuff for money. But this is it. Only if I don't do it for money, I can teach and serve others truly, without any side intents, purely from my heart.
I don't say that lightly. It's not just momemtal bias, but conclusion I gained by watching some people who do teach spirituality for money. Every one of them starts as great and noble person, but as the time goes, I observe lost of spirituality in them, their energy goes down and they slowly turn predatory. Not evil, but demanding because they depend on the money. Money simply takes central stage and they probably do not earn enough to be able to say "I have enough money and do not need to earn more."
My favorite example would be Morgue (Morgue Official on YT) who is earning a living by teaching occult. He throws videos quite often, but when you watch them, soon you realize that he doesn't give out much of info in these videos. He is great speaker (at least not saying "this will blow your mind" every 3 minutes anymore) but the content of videos damn repeats a lot, just taking slightly different angles, but constant repeat. How much he can work on himself along with doing all those videos? I think his spirituality rather degenerates than the opposite, despite the fact that he is quite smart person. His public videos also are just trailers for the videos that are gatekept behind paid subscriptions. That is not spiritual, that is business. You want real value? Pay up. But that is not how spirituality is supposed to work. We are all spiritual beings to greater or lesser degree, we all have our own spirituality and we are supposed to pay for learning how to use ourselves? I would greatly dishonor the fact that practically all I needed to learn I learned for FREE, if I demanded payment for it. WizardForums is free to access too, including the library. If someone wants to reward me from their choice, that is very different from being conditioned to pay for access.
I observed same degeneration (or at least zero improvement) of spiritual development in every teacher who started getting money for their work. Not only Morgue.
...travelling nurses, at least here, are paid by government from taxes, because it is healthcare service. They do not have to worry about their pay. Unfortunately this cannot be easily done with spiritual teachings... or whatever you are doing. I'm sure that it can be challenging and dangerous sometimes. I had poltergeist visiting my hone, nasty jerk. Sometimes evil spirits happen...
Family haunting, that immediately suggest to me poor relationships in family. Won't speak more on it, every case is obviously different.
About cursed/enchanted items... a lot of space there for corruption. not every such item is enchanted, but they are interesting selling stuff. Reminds me of irony of one occult store, which sold a lot of occult books. They were bought by Christians who were burning them. Idiots were buying books, which was giving money to their authors who could them write more occult books.
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Look, I don't say that you are fake, no reason for that, but I do say that I do believe that taking money for this kind of service is wrong.
If it involves going to a location then travel, accommodation, meals, proper PPE and insurance if entering a hazardous area, security and legal if necessary, and any other relevant costs would have to be covered by the client for me to even consider it. The cost is already adding up and that is before pay for my time and effort is included.
The cost may discourage time wasters, but also discourages legitimate who can't afford.
I know. Such a way of life. Travel costs usually aren’t covered by clients, though they can arrange rides to and from the airport for you. That’s why you try to get everything done in a single day, no matter how many hours you have to push, so you don’t have to pay for a hotel, extra meals, or other expenses. Unless you choose to stay longer to explore the area. That way, the only real cost is the plane ticket, and if you’re flying monthly, it’s cheap.
There’s also no insurance. You go in knowing the risk. That’s part of why one case (the quite severe kind I’m talking about here) can be worth what you’d make in two months at a decent job. Still, it’s not for everyone because it means very long hours on site and it can take a lot of energy out of you.
Even legitimate practitioners often avoid this kind of work because of how much energy it demands. And honestly, every practitioner might operate differently, so the one you know would need to do their own research and decide whether it’s worth the time and effort. The money only starts to get good once you’re experienced.
I get what you mean, but I don’t agree. The intention to help is still there. But if you’re paying for a flight to go on site and you’re using up a lot of your energy, you need to be compensated for the time and effort. You can’t realistically do something for free that wipes you out especially if you’re working back to back for 9-13+ hours and covering your own expenses. That’s a very different situation if you look at it that way.
Would you work longer than usual hours for free at your mundane job? If the answer is no, it’s basically the same here. It’s still work like any other job. Just because it’s in the occult world doesn’t mean everything should be free.
Investigators have psychic abilities, they can be consultants, they can do magick and offer services elsewhere to still generate income when there's no case yet. They don’t depend on income coming from this work. You do it mostly to help.
Yeah, sometimes an evil entity happens, sometimes 5 people in the family get affected by it. Then it’s not only about getting rid of the entity, it’s also about helping with what the entity left behind, the negativity, the bad luck, etc. of not one but five people. Of course, every practitioner handles it differently.
I can agree that a lot of spirituality teaching is corrupted. People intentionally overcomplicate something simple so they can sell a bunch of courses, and support packages, and lots of add ons that could often be offered freely. Same with shelling out a bunch of subscribed contents that feel repetitive.
And yeah, the enchanted items marketplace is honestly wild. It’s nuts. There are way more fakes than authentic pieces, and the prices people charge are outrageous. I’m with you there too.
What you wanted to do with the spiritual stuff for money at that time, it should be free. So I agree with your spirits on that very particular one. I just think there will always be corrupt people in any field, but that doesn’t mean the entire field of paranormal investigation is corrupt.
P.S. You don’t have to explain anything to me, I know you meant well. This is such a good debate, and I agree on many parts of your comment. I try to offer something from my point of view too.
Where I am, travel nurses are paid through private employers, usually staffing agencies and hospitals. So they still have to worry about pay and have to deliver like anyone else, even when the intention is to help.
