Does anyone else here practice tulpamancy/soulbonding?

[Maixv3]

I came for connection, and learning what others are doing.

Honestly same here it's why I asked these questions, curious if others also practice stuff like this since I also wanna make more friends. I didn't expect this thread to blow up so much.

 

[albundi]

Honestly same here it's why I asked these questions, curious if others also practice stuff like this since I also wanna make more friends. I didn't expect this thread to blow up so much.

I noticed not too many take a risk to say anything new. It's usually the same ol' recycled information. This one was actually good because it allowed one to think, and take in a different concept. But shutting it down before it grows legs?? Quite sure you're not convinced to provide a how-to now. But that goes for anyone seeing these happenings.

At some point I was going to ask if you could explain how, but.... That's wrecked. Waited too long to see traction first.

If I could ask you privately, I'd still like to know. The term is new to me, but I heard of that concept before. I have a Chinese Daoist version I can share in return if you're interested. Below is known as Daoist alchemy, but my version is a lucid dreaming variant.

 

[Solar]

Practically no one does tulpamancy. The concept of a tulpa comes from tibetan buddhism and is meant to be an actual PHYSICAL manifestation through multi month or year long concentrated visualization and possibly other secrets that one has to get initiated in. We are talking about a being created through the mind that can interact with the physical the same way we can, a being that can be seen the same way you can be seen by a random person on the street.

The west stole that term and uses it as a synonym for a self created thought form or at best an egregore (which quite frankly is also unrealistic to achieve for casual practitioners).

 

[ewiz]

I have nothing wrong with the discussion, just wanted to say I can see where ahathoor is coming from and agree with his suggestions to continue researching wider topics. Likening some of this to people scrolling malware-ridden sites with no protection for their minds is pretty spot on for a lot of what I've seen. It's been my experience (on other forums) that many people who come to the occult through this modern trend of tulpamancy and other related things, tend to be pretty unstable, mainly wanting to play pretend-DID and get attention for it, rather than engage with anything that really fits under the occult/esoteric umbrella. I see no reason to say that about anyone here, just saying it is what I've come to expect in general.

One of the biggest problems is the way the word tulpa was taken by this new movement, because it confuses things quite a bit. I had always considered a tulpa to be more similar to a group constructed egregore, but almost every instance of the modern movement I've seen more closely resembles a combination of imaginary friend/alter ego than an actual thoughtform or magical practice. Even reading through this thread, it seems many of us are talking about different things but using the same language.

The chinese daoist practice mentioned, for example, I don't think fits with what is called tulpamancy. Most of these practices involve you producing a thoughtform, sometimes as a double of yourself, then sending them off into the world to do something, like training in a skill or building some quality of character, and then you would later reabsorb them, in effect consuming those attributes or skills. This is certainly a magical practice. But someone designing a character of a mermaid to live in their head, for the sole purpose of getting others on a magic forum to acknowledge their great sea magic and wisdom when they're speaking from their mermaid form (real example), whether they're deranged enough to believe it or not, is just trolling and a waste of everyone's time. (Again, not directed at anyone here.)

I think there are healthy ways to go about the practice commonly called tulpamancy, as well as a variety of uses, magical and otherwise. It's just really important to be discerning with the information you consume, and cautious with what you put into practice. There's more nonsense out there than anything worthwhile, just like with everything else. That said I'm sure the discussion could be productive, and I'd like to see it continue.

 

[albundi]

We are talking about a being created through the mind that can interact with the physical the same way we can, a being that can be seen the same way you can be seen by a random person on the street.

One of the biggest problems is the way the word tulpa was taken by this new movement, because it confuses things quite a bit. I had always considered a tulpa to be more similar to a group constructed egregore, but almost every instance of the modern movement I've seen more closely resembles a combination of imaginary friend/alter ego than an actual thoughtform or magical practice. Even reading through this thread, it seems many of us are talking about different things but using the same language.

The chinese daoist practice mentioned, for example, I don't think fits with what is called tulpamancy. Most of these practices involve you producing a thoughtform, sometimes as a double of yourself, then sending them off into the world to do something, like training in a skill or building some quality of character, and then you would later reabsorb them, in effect consuming those attributes or skills. This is certainly a magical practice. But someone designing a character of a mermaid to live in their head, for the sole purpose of getting others on a magic forum to acknowledge their great sea magic and wisdom when they're speaking from their mermaid form (real example), whether they're deranged enough to believe it or not, is just trolling and a waste of everyone's time. (Again, not directed at anyone here.)

I think there are healthy ways to go about the practice commonly called tulpamancy, as well as a variety of uses, magical and otherwise. It's just really important to be discerning with the information you consume, and cautious with what you put into practice. There's more nonsense out there than anything worthwhile, just like with everything else. That said I'm sure the discussion could be productive, and I'd like to see it continue.

Tulpas from Tibetan Vajrayana are created via samadhi and deity yoga. They don't always appear visually but can. It's the exact same thing as the western equivalent. Samadhi is an intense concentration/meditation exercise. While most western ideas from books are highly diluted. You can get the same results with time and experimentation. It's not different, just another way. Just because it's Tibetan doesn't make it beyond reach. That's a dumb argument and obviously flawed if you actually understood what a sprul-pa/tulpa is.

The Asian equivalents are Japan: shikigami, China: Ling pou/pao & shen projection, Hindu: Manasa putra.

The Chinese current is a particular interest of mine. The whole process of cunshen, and charging the fu talisman is the exact same process of the western equivalent of servitors....with minor differences of what energy is being cultivated. (Jing-qi-shen, or fujin/fagong).

Some of us don't just scratch the surface layer of things. Speaking without experience is foolish, and ignorant... which usually walks hand and hand. If you don't agree that it's a real path. Don't. The entire discussion around it is littered with people who are inexperienced in this subject. Yet, unwilling to try to experiment...or think they know all they need to know from one book. Arrogance and ignorance kills success in any endeavor. Fyi, some think a variety of magic is fake..like evocation.

I do agree some with mental instability find this interesting.... news flash, it goes for the whole occult path in general. It draws in people who feel different, it doesn't matter how(gay, mental issues, etc.). For those of us who aren't, it's important to connect with them and guide to safety. They're going to do it anyways, but you can be the difference of a cat getting slaughtered or not. The mental argument is weak when their are grimoires talking about living sacrifices, sex/orgy magic, necromancy, etc.. Artificial beings are no different.

I never seen myself as an activist, but here I am. Today I fight for the rights of artificial beings

 

[Maixv3]

I noticed not too many take a risk to say anything new. It's usually the same ol' recycled information. This one was actually good because it allowed one to think, and take in a different concept. But shutting it down before it grows legs?? Quite sure you're not convinced to provide a how-to now. But that goes for anyone seeing these happenings.

At some point I was going to ask if you could explain how, but.... That's wrecked. Waited too long to see traction first.

If I could ask you privately, I'd still like to know. The term is new to me, but I heard of that concept before. I have a Chinese Daoist version I can share in return if you're interested. Below is known as Daoist alchemy, but my version is a lucid dreaming variant.

For real, it's crazy to think because this whole place is supposed to be about magick and occult stuff which is already pretty unquie and taboo. But this is normal usually people don't like the idea of creating beings most places from what I've seen.

I agree, I didn't expect fighting or stuff like this to happen.

Ooh that would be interesting. This is also the first time I am learning about Chinese version of it. I mostly stick to tulpa . Info and other stuff like that for resources so it's cool to see someone who has other knowledge of this sorta thing. Ooh I practice lucid dreaming! That's so interesting!

 

[ewiz]

Tulpas from Tibetan Vajrayana are created via samadhi and deity yoga. They don't always appear visually but can. It's the exact same thing as the western equivalent. Samadhi is an intense concentration/meditation exercise. While most western ideas from books are highly diluted. You can get the same results with time and experimentation. It's not different, just another way. Just because it's Tibetan doesn't make it beyond reach. That's a dumb argument and obviously flawed if you actually understood what a sprul-pa/tulpa is.

The Asian equivalents are Japan: shikigami, China: Ling pou/pao & shen projection, Hindu: Manasa putra.

The Chinese current is a particular interest of mine. The whole process of cunshen, and charging the fu talisman is the exact same process of the western equivalent of servitors....with minor differences of what energy is being cultivated. (Jing-qi-shen, or fujin/fagong).

Some of us don't just scratch the surface layer of things. Speaking without experience is foolish, and ignorant... which usually walks hand and hand. If you don't agree that it's a real path. Don't. The entire discussion around it is littered with people who are inexperienced in this subject. Yet, unwilling to try to experiment...or think they know all they need to know from one book. Arrogance and ignorance kills success in any endeavor. Fyi, some think a variety of magic is fake..like evocation.

I do agree some with mental instability find this interesting.... news flash, it goes for the whole occult path in general. It draws in people who feel different, it doesn't matter how(gay, mental issues, etc.). For those of us who aren't, it's important to connect with them and guide to safety. They're going to do it anyways, but you can be the difference of a cat getting slaughtered or not. The mental argument is weak when their are grimoires talking about living sacrifices, sex/orgy magic, necromancy, etc.. Artificial beings are no different.

I never seen myself as an activist, but here I am. Today I fight for the rights of artificial beings

The key component which you're missing here is an understanding of what "tulpamancy" means to most people nowadays. It almost has nothing to do with creating a tulpa, and everything to do with calling an "imaginary friend/alter ego" a tulpa. This is what I meant when I said we're talking about different things using the same language. Many people's use of the term in modern practice is phychological fantasy, not an actual magical practice.

Daoist alchemy practices were some of the first things I was taught by an irl master, who would be a whole lot meaner towards people from the modern tulpamancy camp than me. I've been creating artificial spirits for over 20 years, it's been a large aspect of practice for me. One spirit I created was (wrongfully) blamed for an old web forum for going down almost 10 years ago, mostly because some trolls tried to mess with him and had a bad time, coinciding with some bad internal politics. I've had a magician who I respect very much, with many years more experience than me, say that evoking this same artificial spirit produced the strongest manifestation they had ever experienced. And many others reported similar things.

So I'm not saying anything about these practices not being "real." I'm just saying that some of these modern practices and the way they are done, clearly aren't magic, and sometimes mentally unstable people very loudly advocate these practices. Nobody here is doing that, but even if they were I'm sure it might be fine. This is a relatively tolerant place. The last forum I was on was not so tolerant, and the moment I thought someone was being disruptive to the group with their mental fantasies they were thrown out the airlock.

 

[Sedim Haba]

So, am I the only one who considers what we're talking about to be a Familiar? I got Her first thru meditation and then looked for a label.

 

[ewiz]

So, am I the only one who considers what we're talking about to be a Familiar? I got Her first thru meditation and then looked for a label.

I don't think what you're describing would fit under the label of a tupla (modern or servitor) as it's not a created spirit, it was something revealed to you. I think the way you're describing it in relation to qareen/HGA, as well as Anima/Animus might be a closer fit. My work along the lines of the HGA revealed essentially a higher/idealized "self", and a lower/shadow "self", both of whom can be engaged with as distinct and apparently separate intelligences. But I didn't consciously create them the way one would create a tulpa, if that makes sense. I've seen this called a qareen as well as a familiar, in Geoff Gray-Cobb's book NAP he calls it the Magic Mentor. I think a lot of people consider this the same as the HGA, while a lot of people consider those distinct concepts. It's all about the individual and their perception of things.

 

[albundi]

The key component which you're missing here is an understanding of what "tulpamancy" means to most people nowadays. It almost has nothing to do with creating a tulpa, and everything to do with calling an "imaginary friend/alter ego" a tulpa. This is what I meant when I said we're talking about different things using the same language. Many people's use of the term in modern practice is phychological fantasy, not an actual magical practice.

Daoist alchemy practices were some of the first things I was taught by an irl master, who would be a whole lot meaner towards people from the modern tulpamancy camp than me. I've been creating artificial spirits for over 20 years, it's been a large aspect of practice for me. One spirit I created was (wrongfully) blamed for an old web forum for going down almost 10 years ago, mostly because some trolls tried to mess with him and had a bad time, coinciding with some bad internal politics. I've had a magician who I respect very much, with many years more experience than me, say that evoking this same artificial spirit produced the strongest manifestation they had ever experienced. And many others reported similar things.

So I'm not saying anything about these practices not being "real." I'm just saying that some of these modern practices and the way they are done, clearly aren't magic, and sometimes mentally unstable people very loudly advocate these practices. Nobody here is doing that, but even if they were I'm sure it might be fine. This is a relatively tolerant place. The last forum I was on was not so tolerant, and the moment I thought someone was being disruptive to the group with their mental fantasies they were thrown out the airlock.

I think that's where the disconnect is. You think creating a tulpa is a specific magical practice. To create a "authentic" tulpa, one goes into a samadhi state and finishes with yidam practice. In English, you sit down and concentrate on an image of the being or animal until your mind feels absorbed by it. Then you "pretend" you are the being/animal until your identity merges with it. It's mostly done with a deity, but it can be done with anything. You can use it on your pet. Just don't complain when the urge to lick yourself manifest. The deity/pet/being will come around, your connection to it will grow, and in time other people might notice it in your life. But it's the exact same result. In the Native American tradition, everything has a spirit. And we westerns are leveraging that idea. A deity just doesn't leave because you're done... In deity yoga it becomes a part of you.

In Tibet they look at their beliefs from a traditional lens. They can say it's wrong, because they're specifically Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhist. But they don't trademark the word, and no word owns the idea specifically. And they specifically don't care to correct your beliefs... unless you're a Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhist practitioner who wants to practice deity yoga in the traditional way. Perfect. Let's do it. But that's not here and was never claimed to be here.

Trying to measure knowledge of who knows what is pointlessness encapsulated in BS. You're a Daoist practitioner yet didn't provide anything that can help another practitioner identify you by your lineage, title, and your transmitter of the teaching. Because a Daoist won't just outright teach an advanced practice without knowing one is ready for it. Especially because injuries are quite common in neigong practices. Not saying you weren't, but I can't address you properly, nor spank your mean teacher for providing info to someone without prior training. We don't need to go deep into that now. You can message me if you want, or invite me to a thread for that conversation. And may be I'll be on the receiving end of the spanking there.

The message I wrote before wasn't specifically for you, it's between the 3.
No, you agreed with someone who ignorantly came after someone else down to the avatar picture, made assumptions about mental health, their fragility, and practices. Attacked many here, then tried to float on the moral boat. And yet this topic attracts mentally ill? Right, good example and demonstration from them. Quite sure they even used spellcraft to get their point across. Dumb decision if you asked me. Immature is what immature does. I expect it when I see it.

A private messaging feature does exist. But trying to make it public speaks volumes of the kind of character that wants to lash out, and snap at someone for a word/belief they used. No one deserves to be attacked personally in a public setting unannounced, and/or unprovoked. EOD we're all people and age/experience is quite vague here. It's one thing to say, "nah this is BS". It's an entirely different thing to go after someone personally. I know they weren't talking about me since I don't even have an avatar pic. I can handle it, but you don't know who that's affecting to say those kinds of things. It wasn't just about mental health. Go back to the message on the first page and ask who's that about?
Magic is a mental game, no one practice causes more mental issues to occur than the occult topic entirely. That's why it's important to communicate with each other properly. All magic is imaginary to a degree, and it's a warning for every occultist no matter the tradition.

Yes like Daoist alchemy, their are some who can have a very physical effect on reality. Faqi fa gong is a practice of physically emitting qi that can actually burn someone or paper.... physically. But every practice starts with baby steps. There are frauds everywhere... Arguing without pointing out where the error is... it's wasting time ego tripping.

 

[ewiz]

I think that's where the disconnect is. You think creating a tulpa is a specific magical practice. To create a "authentic" tulpa, one goes into a samadhi state and finishes with yidam practice. In English, you sit down and concentrate on an image of the being or animal until your mind feels absorbed by it. Then you "pretend" you are the being/animal until your identity merges with it. It's mostly done with a deity, but it can be done with anything. You can use it on your pet. Just don't complain when the urge to lick yourself manifest. The deity/pet/being will come around, your connection to it will grow, and in time other people might notice it in your life. But it's the exact same result. In the Native American tradition, everything has a spirit. And we westerns are leveraging that idea. A deity just doesn't leave because you're done... In deity yoga it becomes a part of you.

In Tibet they look at their beliefs from a traditional lens. They can say it's wrong, because they're specifically Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhist. But they don't trademark the word, and no word owns the idea specifically. And they specifically don't care to correct your beliefs... unless you're a Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhist practitioner who wants to practice deity yoga in the traditional way. Perfect. Let's do it. But that's not here and was never claimed to be here.

Trying to measure knowledge of who knows what is pointlessness encapsulated in BS. You're a Daoist practitioner yet didn't provide anything that can help another practitioner identify you by your lineage, title, and your transmitter of the teaching. Because a Daoist won't just outright teach an advanced practice without knowing one is ready for it. Especially because injuries are quite common in neigong practices. Not saying you weren't, but I can't address you properly, nor spank your mean teacher for providing info to someone without prior training. We don't need to go deep into that now. You can message me if you want, or invite me to a thread for that conversation. And may be I'll be on the receiving end of the spanking there.

The message I wrote before wasn't specifically for you, it's between the 3.
No, you agreed with someone who ignorantly came after someone else down to the avatar picture, made assumptions about mental health, their fragility, and practices. Attacked many here, then tried to float on the moral boat. And yet this topic attracts mentally ill? Right, good example and demonstration from them. Quite sure they even used spellcraft to get their point across. Dumb decision if you asked me. Immature is what immature does. I expect it when I see it.

A private messaging feature does exist. But trying to make it public speaks volumes of the kind of character that wants to lash out, and snap at someone for a word/belief they used. No one deserves to be attacked personally in a public setting unannounced, and/or unprovoked. EOD we're all people and age/experience is quite vague here. It's one thing to say, "nah this is BS". It's an entirely different thing to go after someone personally. I know they weren't talking about me since I don't even have an avatar pic. I can handle it, but you don't know who that's affecting to say those kinds of things. It wasn't just about mental health. Go back to the message on the first page and ask who's that about?
Magic is a mental game, no one practice causes more mental issues to occur than the occult topic entirely. That's why it's important to communicate with each other properly. All magic is imaginary to a degree, and it's a warning for every occultist no matter the tradition.

Yes like Daoist alchemy, their are some who can have a very physical effect on reality. Faqi fa gong is a practice of physically emitting qi that can actually burn someone or paper.... physically. But every practice starts with baby steps. There are frauds everywhere... Arguing without pointing out where the error is... it's wasting time ego tripping.

I feel like I've been pretty reserved in my comments and I certainly didn't direct some attack at anyone personally, nor did I see anything like that happen. Whatever you're reading into this to get so offended reflects a whole lot more on you than anything else, because I was just speaking from my experiences and not about anyone here, which I made very clear. You make a whole lot more assumptions that I do, and I don't find anything in this comment to be related to what I've said. Your comments don't reflect an understanding of what I'm saying, and that's perfectly fine. I have nothing else to say on the subject

 

[albundi]

I have nothing wrong with the discussion, just wanted to say I can see where ahathoor is coming from and agree with his suggestions to continue researching wider topics. Likening some of this to people scrolling malware-ridden sites with no protection for their minds is pretty spot on for a lot of what I've seen. It's been my experience (on other forums) that many people who come to the occult through this modern trend of tulpamancy and other related things, tend to be pretty unstable, mainly wanting to play pretend-DID and get attention for it, rather than engage with anything that really fits under the occult/esoteric umbrella. I see no reason to say that about anyone here, just saying it is what I've come to expect in general.

One of the biggest problems is the way the word tulpa was taken by this new movement, because it confuses things quite a bit. I had always considered a tulpa to be more similar to a group constructed egregore, but almost every instance of the modern movement I've seen more closely resembles a combination of imaginary friend/alter ego than an actual thoughtform or magical practice. Even reading through this thread, it seems many of us are talking about different things but using the same language.

The chinese daoist practice mentioned, for example, I don't think fits with what is called tulpamancy. Most of these practices involve you producing a thoughtform, sometimes as a double of yourself, then sending them off into the world to do something, like training in a skill or building some quality of character, and then you would later reabsorb them, in effect consuming those attributes or skills. This is certainly a magical practice. But someone designing a character of a mermaid to live in their head, for the sole purpose of getting others on a magic forum to acknowledge their great sea magic and wisdom when they're speaking from their mermaid form (real example), whether they're deranged enough to believe it or not, is just trolling and a waste of everyone's time. (Again, not directed at anyone here.)

I think there are healthy ways to go about the practice commonly called tulpamancy, as well as a variety of uses, magical and otherwise. It's just really important to be discerning with the information you consume, and cautious with what you put into practice. There's more nonsense out there than anything worthwhile, just like with everything else. That said I'm sure the discussion could be productive, and I'd like to see it continue.

So that's not you? You even wrote the person's account name who attacked another in the first run-on sentence. Feigning ignorance, saying the other doesn't understand you, and deflecting doesn't work in a message. Commenting on something you didn't understand to begin with is how you got to this point.

 

[ewiz]

So that's not you? You even wrote the person's account name who attacked another in the first run-on sentence. Feigning ignorance, saying the other doesn't understand you, and deflecting doesn't work in a message. Commenting on something you didn't understand to begin with is how you got to this point.

Nobody attacked anyone else in this thread. People here spoke only of their opinions and experiences as they relate to the topics at hand. I encourage you to report it to a mod if you believe otherwise.

 

[Sedim Haba]

I've seen this called a qareen as well as a familiar, in Geoff Gray-Cobb's book NAP he calls it the Magic Mentor. I think a lot of people consider this the same as the HGA, while a lot of people consider those distinct concepts.

Can you please elaborate on this? I can't find that author in the book share search and IDK what NAP is shorthand for.

 

[ewiz]

Can you please elaborate on this? I can't find that author in the book share search and IDK what NAP is shorthand for.

The book is called the Miracle of New Avatar Power. The specific inclusion of the Magic Mentor is an often overlooked portion which describes a method of calling and communicating with them through pendulum divination.

 

[albundi]

Nobody attacked anyone else in this thread. People here spoke only of their opinions and experiences as they relate to the topics at hand. I encourage you to report it to a mod if you believe otherwise.

Honestly I didn't even think to do that. I said/say my piece and kept it moving.

I know you didn't attack anyone specifically, and I said that.
I don't think you know what, and who's, he/she (ahathoor) is talking about. If you read it, it's quite clear that it's an indirect message. Can a mod really help with that anyways?

To get context, go to the message...look at the message above the quote, read the quote, then scroll all the way to the top and see what fan art they're talking about. Then read the messages that lead to the person writing it. The whole thing was a direct message to everyone in the chat who posted before that account and other threads. And keyed in on me and the creator because they believe it's too dangerous, harmful, or a fantasy lol.

I get it, some hear tulpa and think Tibetan. Like some think french fries come from France. EOD it's literally the same thing done differently. A concentration exercise on a being that has an effect.

 

[ewiz]

Honestly I didn't even think to do that. I said/say my piece and kept it moving.

I know you didn't attack anyone specifically, and I said that.
I don't think you know what, and who's, he/she (ahathoor) is talking about. If you read it, it's quite clear that it's an indirect message. Can a mod really help with that anyways?

To get context, go to the message...look at the message above the quote, read the quote, then scroll all the way to the top and see what fan art they're talking about. Then read the messages that lead to the person writing it. The whole thing was a direct message to everyone in the chat who posted before that account and other threads. And keyed in on me and the creator because they believe it's too dangerous, harmful, or a fantasy lol.

I get it, some hear tulpa and think Tibetan. Like some think french fries come from France. EOD it's literally the same thing done differently. A concentration exercise on a being that has an effect.

It's seems clear, to me, that ahathoor is speaking generally about the subject matter and not indirectly about any person here. I know this because their experience mirrors my own over the past several years with this modern tumblr/tiktok tulpamancy trend. It's been my experience that in large part this modern trend is not related to any occult practices, and often times it is taught and practiced as explicitly not occult. There's a big spectrum in this and on one end it is quite literally a fantasy people are engaging with, that's the intended purpose of it, and there are very real potential dangers for some people engaging in some of these practices. I think this is why they recommended looking into "internal family systems" work, which is a well researched, evidence based(therefore safer) analogue of this mental-only version of that practice.

Clearly the op and yourself have been offended, and the op feels singled out beause that poster mentioned fanart. Such fanart is almost universal in connection with these practices, that in no way indicates they were targeting the op. In fact the comment that they weren't throwing shade on anime fan art itself serves to reinforce this distinction (...these things I disagree with associated with fanart; not that fanart in general is bad *for readers here. - is how I read it). I can't speak for them, but as far as I'm concerned the you are talking about magical practices, the op talked about magical practices. The thing I'm referring to is not the same thing you guys are talking about. People use the same words to refer to very different things. Like how "chaos magick" has simply become wishful thinking in a lot of tiktok circles today, and that's literally all anyone new thinks chaos magick is now. Many people only associate the word tulpamancy with practices designed for mental entertainment, rather than anything related to the occult beyond the name. I've encountered it multiple times in recent years in different communities. There is a version of this which at the EOD is quite literally not a magical practice, and doesn't have a place in occult discussion. I didn't say that's on display here, and I don't read anyone else saying that on this thread. I quite literally encouraged the discussion to continue in my first post, after stating my piece that there are many layers to this onion, and some of them stink lol.

As for what a mod might do, I certainly can't speak for any of them. But I'm sure they're all quite capable of discerning people's intentions from their comments. If they thought someone was attacking or bullying another member, directly or indirectly, that goes against etiquite rule #1 of not being a dick. But regardless of the rules, they quite literally have the power to do whatever they want here.

 

[albundi]

It's seems clear, to me, that ahathoor is speaking generally about the subject matter and not indirectly about any person here. I know this because their experience mirrors my own over the past several years with this modern tumblr/tiktok tulpamancy trend. It's been my experience that in large part this modern trend is not related to any occult practices, and often times it is taught and practiced as explicitly not occult. There's a big spectrum in this and on one end it is quite literally a fantasy people are engaging with, that's the intended purpose of it, and there are very real potential dangers for some people engaging in some of these practices. I think this is why they recommended looking into "internal family systems" work, which is a well researched, evidence based(therefore safer) analogue of this mental-only version of that practice.

Clearly the op and yourself have been offended, and the op feels singled out beause that poster mentioned fanart. Such fanart is almost universal in connection with these practices, that in no way indicates they were targeting the op. In fact the comment that they weren't throwing shade on anime fan art itself serves to reinforce this distinction (...these things I disagree with associated with fanart; not that fanart in general is bad *for readers here. - is how I read it). I can't speak for them, but as far as I'm concerned the you are talking about magical practices, the op talked about magical practices. The thing I'm referring to is not the same thing you guys are talking about. People use the same words to refer to very different things. Like how "chaos magick" has simply become wishful thinking in a lot of tiktok circles today, and that's literally all anyone new thinks chaos magick is now. Many people only associate the word tulpamancy with practices designed for mental entertainment, rather than anything related to the occult beyond the name. I've encountered it multiple times in recent years in different communities. There is a version of this which at the EOD is quite literally not a magical practice, and doesn't have a place in occult discussion. I didn't say that's on display here, and I don't read anyone else saying that on this thread. I quite literally encouraged the discussion to continue in my first post, after stating my piece that there are many layers to this onion, and some of them stink lol.

As for what a mod might do, I certainly can't speak for any of them. But I'm sure they're all quite capable of discerning people's intentions from their comments. If they thought someone was attacking or bullying another member, directly or indirectly, that goes against etiquite rule #1 of not being a dick. But regardless of the rules, they quite literally have the power to do whatever they want here.

I wouldn't be the one quoted if that was the case. If you read the past messages it was specific enough the blind can read between the lines. What you're saying doesn't add up. I would've been having this convo with ahathoor, not you. If I'm wrong, I'll take that.

Here's the thing. Like he/she said in the post, which I agree with.

Ahathoor said:

the loudest people I've seen in these groups were extemely unstable and fragile personalities, setting dangerous and deleterious examples in both practice and general human lifestyle, that weird obsessions and memetic ideas seemed to abound, and in general it looked like a malware-ridden darkweb warez site for the human psyche, entirely populated by people who either have no idea about security, or think it's irrelevant to them.

When they wrote that...that wasn't a reference to the op, or I. That was to other people in the thread, then and after. It's preemptively shooting someone down. We weren't even talking all that much. But, what I did say sounds fake..cool, but I don't care. People ask and now message me bc they don't want to sound immature. That's what that kind of talk leads to. I don't mind people messaging me, but I'm not copying and pasting it in relevant threads for others. It'll be easier to do it here.

You talked Daoist but didn't know tulpas exist in Daoist practice? I practiced many traditions from a traditional teachers...but I don't talk about it. The point is you never know who's on the other side. I too am a Daoist, that's why I asked you before from where. It'll tell me what you know and how you're taught. That way I can properly address your style of wu. I learned various creations of artificial beings from all over Asia. I don't need to say it though. But when someone shoots down potential learners, and gives crap advice like ahathoor...that hurts the practice and potentially people who don't realize it can turn on you. Western books don't really talk about that. And they especially don't advise not to use them for attacking other occult practitioners, because they're easy to take control of and reverse on the caster.

Spirit traps, co trung/gu poison, shikigami, etc.. I trap entities artificial and organic, and make use of others spells and spirits. Pretty handy in my opinion. But the western basic servitor, or egregore, isn't all that interesting to people because they only heard it from Western sources...which suck at explaining what you can do with it. You can also use it for divination of weather, the sex identity of a child, finding people or items. The western doesn't teach that, or I've yet seen it anywhere on western platforms.

The op is talking about another type that can merge with your headspace (I probably described it wrong). Just because it's different it doesn't make it incorrect. Dangerous in the wrong hands, granted. Intention means everything with these practices. Any occult path can cause health issues, both mind and/or body.

I can't speak for the op, but I came to share and connect. That type of post wasn't just on this thread. Other people found me through other threads mentioning the same crap via message.

Now some are too shameful to share or ask real questions. Cool, but who misses out? The next person who wants to learn. That's the whole point.

What ahathoor wrote wasn't relevant to the topic at the time it was written if it wasn't to push one's weight around. There were barely any messages here. Talking like one knows it all and shuns another's practice is ego tripping and insecure.
If that's really what you took from that post and not trying to spin it to play games.. then I can't explain it in a way that clicks for you.
If you're just trying to argue, I got all day and night. I don't have to chase money so we can go anytime, anythread.. It gets me hot, and keeps me on my toes...ready whatever spanky.

 

[ewiz]

You can easily search the internet for the terms and learn for yourself, it's not my responibility if you can't grasp what I'm trying to say about "tulpamancy" and how it differs from what you're talking about. And that seems to be why you were quoted by the other poster to begin with: to share something related to a practice you were talking about, and then basically say it doesn't fit under the tulpamancy umbrella. The part directed at you is just those last two sentences.

My comments related to daoist practices are the same, in saying that it doesnt fit under this modern umbrella. My history isn't relevant to this, and I'm not bothered to hear yours. There's a lot that I have to say about the practice of creating spirits, but it's important that conversations about these topics are treated seriously. It has been my experience that people coming into this through a modern tulpamancy lens are not always serious, so addressing that early is not a bad thing.

I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, in fact I'm bored with repeating myself. You may have all day and night for this, oh great and wise white knight, but I have no interest in wasting any more of my time.

 

[albundi]

You can easily search the internet for the terms and learn for yourself, it's not my responibility if you can't grasp what I'm trying to say about "tulpamancy" and how it differs from what you're talking about. And that seems to be why you were quoted by the other poster to begin with: to share something related to a practice you were talking about, and then basically say it doesn't fit under the tulpamancy umbrella. The part directed at you is just those last two sentences.

My comments related to daoist practices are the same, in saying that it doesnt fit under this modern umbrella. My history isn't relevant to this, and I'm not bothered to hear yours. There's a lot that I have to say about the practice of creating spirits, but it's important that conversations about these topics are treated seriously. It has been my experience that people coming into this through a modern tulpamancy lens are not always serious, so addressing that early is not a bad thing.

I'm not trying to argue for the sake of arguing, in fact I'm bored with repeating myself. You may have all day and night for this, oh great and wise white knight, but I have no interest in wasting any more of my time.

First you say to look it up on the Internet(modern), then you say my Daoist practices doesn't fit in under the modern umbrella. I even proved it was in my first message to you. That's why I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

Name a practice, technique, anything, or debate the actual Daoist practices I mentioned. You sound confused, lost, and talking in circles to play the "I'm always right" game. I've been talking about tulpas as they are...I don't know what the modern equivalent is because I never learned it online. You say the modern is wrong...okay, I take your word for it because I don't know. But I'm talking about tulpas at its original root word from Tibetan Vajrayana Buddhism. Is it that hard to admit you didn't know their is a Daoist equivalent? I don't need to hear/read you're wrong, but you're taking shots at me to replace the feeling of what you feel. You don't know, and it's fine. Or prove I'm wrong..define the thing, describe the where and why. Boom, then it's a good argument. If you can't do that, then it's just talk, and self soothing. Over 300 words and it only takes less to prove me wrong...like I did you.