Enquiries concerning Solomonic Magic

[asahsh]

Greetings,

I have been frequenting this forum for some time now and I am vexed by certain questions regarding Solomonic magic as it was and is practiced in the West. Therefore, I seek answers to these questions from practicing mages or scholars well-versed in this particular variety of magic.

I have a deep interest in Western esotericism and magic, although my studies in these areas have been informal to some extent. Ceremonial magic possesses an indescribable allure that captivates me. I understand that this tradition has its roots in Jewish and Christian lore, nurtured in Egypt, Chaldea, the Eastern Roman Empire, Greece, Italy, and Northern Europe. The rituals sometimes draw from Christian exorcism rites, and the pioneers of this tradition were devout Christians and Jews. With this understanding, I have the following inquiries:

A) To what extent is it acceptable for a person raised in a polytheistic society, bound by social expectations of idolatry, to study and practice these rituals without modifying the rites or causing disruptions in other aspects of their life?

B) Is it appropriate for a non-Christian, with no intention of conversion, to employ incantations such as "Asperges me domine..."?

C) Can individuals who do not descend from the Egyptian, Chaldean, Greek, Italian, English, or other races that contributed to this tradition actively participate in it?

D) What is the stance of the angels mentioned in the grimoires towards infidels? Are some of these angels the same as those recognized by mainstream religions, whose names are used by religious clergy to oppose polytheists? For instance, the Liber Juratus deems the angels useful only for Christians.

E) Are there any age-related considerations involved?

Although I have not delved extensively into the literature, apart from the major grimoires, I must confess that I have yet to complete reading Agrippa's First Book of Occult Philosophy. Therefore, I apologize if the answers to my questions are already present, either directly or indirectly, in such works, although I believe this to be unlikely. Additionally, I kindly request your understanding regarding any grammar errors, as English is not my primary language and I may lack proficiency in certain areas.

 

[Lemongrass00]

A. Doesn’t matter, but it might cause disruptions in your life if you are not careful. You don’t sound like you’ve ever practiced Magick or energy work and Solomonic Magick is generally advised against as a starting point.

B. Doesn’t matter

C. Doesn’t matter

D. Angels do not have any personal gripes or prejudices against people, they are beings/ forces representing certain types of energies, if you want to work with them, they will always let you.

E. Doesn’t matter as long as you’re not a literal child

I’d look into Lon Milo DuQuette for his books and videos on Goetia, it may help you view them differently. Hell, even people like Crowley went as far as to say the 72 Goetic Entities represents 72 parts of the human brain/ subconscious.

 

[KjEno186]

a. "Social expectations of idolatry"? You probably shouldn't make an idol of YHVH, but the Cross and the Christ are common 'idols.'
b. Go into your private place and recite it. How did it make you feel?
c. Sure. Those are cultures which generally invite the free exchange of ideas.
d. In my opinion the angels work for everyone regardless of their confessed faith. The human aspect of faith, on the other hand, is ever evolving.
e. The Abramelin suggests 25 to 50. I doubt age, gender, or health ever stopped a determined person from achieving their goals.

Solomonic practice would necessitate use of Hebrew god-names and angels. If you really feel uncomfortable using them, consider a wider range of possibilities. Hermeticism and Ceremonial magic are not necessarily limited to specific deities. There are many books and materials which explore occult philosophy in a more modern context. You don't have to be Jewish to learn some of the Hebrew alphabet and study some Qabala. You would do well to know the names and attributes of the angels and demons of the elemental kingdoms.

If you read The Abramelin, you'll see that the author says it is for all people. In fact, I would recommend reading this book because the historical evidence for the author exists, and his perspective provides context on the efficacy of many kinds of magic.

 

[beardedeldridge]

Greetings,

I have been frequenting this forum for some time now and I am vexed by certain questions regarding Solomonic magic as it was and is practiced in the West. Therefore, I seek answers to these questions from practicing mages or scholars well-versed in this particular variety of magic.

I have a deep interest in Western esotericism and magic, although my studies in these areas have been informal to some extent. Ceremonial magic possesses an indescribable allure that captivates me. I understand that this tradition has its roots in Jewish and Christian lore, nurtured in Egypt, Chaldea, the Eastern Roman Empire, Greece, Italy, and Northern Europe. The rituals sometimes draw from Christian exorcism rites, and the pioneers of this tradition were devout Christians and Jews. With this understanding, I have the following inquiries:

A) To what extent is it acceptable for a person raised in a polytheistic society, bound by social expectations of idolatry, to study and practice these rituals without modifying the rites or causing disruptions in other aspects of their life?

B) Is it appropriate for a non-Christian, with no intention of conversion, to employ incantations such as "Asperges me domine..."?

C) Can individuals who do not descend from the Egyptian, Chaldean, Greek, Italian, English, or other races that contributed to this tradition actively participate in it?

D) What is the stance of the angels mentioned in the grimoires towards infidels? Are some of these angels the same as those recognized by mainstream religions, whose names are used by religious clergy to oppose polytheists? For instance, the Liber Juratus deems the angels useful only for Christians.

E) Are there any age-related considerations involved?

Although I have not delved extensively into the literature, apart from the major grimoires, I must confess that I have yet to complete reading Agrippa's First Book of Occult Philosophy. Therefore, I apologize if the answers to my questions are already present, either directly or indirectly, in such works, although I believe this to be unlikely. Additionally, I kindly request your understanding regarding any grammar errors, as English is not my primary language and I may lack proficiency in certain areas.

Nah you’re good.

Pick up whichever grimoire blows your hair back the most and get started.

Don’t change a syllable until you can effectively do it as written.

-Eld

 

[The God-King]

A) To what extent is it acceptable for a person raised in a polytheistic society, bound by social expectations of idolatry, to study and practice these rituals without modifying the rites or causing disruptions in other aspects of their life?

Not entirely sure what you mean here. Sorry. Are you able to either rephrase or elaborate?

B) Is it appropriate for a non-Christian, with no intention of conversion, to employ incantations such as "Asperges me domine..."?

Of course! No different than a practitioner who doesn't belong to a Celtic system but calling on Bran or Cerridwen for assistance in a working. Only difference is with Grimoire Tradition there is the act of obtaining Divine Authority, where you recognize and declare your place as "Man as Magician" within the universe and acting with the Authority of God. In order to accomplish this it would be wise to actually believe it, even if it's only for that working. Chaotes are notorious for dipping in and out of belief systems, only taking on the belief system during the magical act itself. Once the spell or ritual is over, they revert to their original belief system.

C) Can individuals who do not descend from the Egyptian, Chaldean, Greek, Italian, English, or other races that contributed to this tradition actively participate in it?

Of course. Grimoire Tradition is not a closed system by any stretch of the term.

D) What is the stance of the angels mentioned in the grimoires towards infidels? Are some of these angels the same as those recognized by mainstream religions, whose names are used by religious clergy to oppose polytheists? For instance, the Liber Juratus deems the angels useful only for Christians.

You have to understand the mindset of the people who drafted these texts. The vast majority of the writers and users of these texts were clergymen. This is why many of the more "classical" or "original" grimoires use the term Exorcist rather than magician. This is because an Exorcist was an actual order of the ancient Church that clergy were trained in. So it would make sense that these clergymen would make such a claim. I'm confident that if the Liber Juratus was written by an Muslim Mystic it would say something like "the angels would only be useful to the most pious of Muslims".

Yes, the angels in Grim Trad are the same as used in mainstream religions. Where else would we get angels from? While many cultures have "angel-like beings" in their lore and mythos; the angels that we know in the West come from a specific region of the world. But the angels generally don't really care about your religious affiliation. In my experience angels are like dealing with the government (while on the flip side, demons would be like dealing with the mafia). There are hoops to jump through and endless paperwork to sign but if you follow the rules, just like the government (usually), the angels do what they say.

E) Are there any age-related considerations involved?

What do you mean? Some of the materia magicia may not be able to be purchased if you're under 18 (at least in the US) like a sword but that's about it. I mean, this work isn't meant for children so if you're not an adult I wouldn't venture into Grimoire Tradition just yet. Not only is it not a cheap endeavor so a full time job is highly recommended, but the mental fortitude needed for this type of work is something that comes with life experience.

Although I have not delved extensively into the literature, apart from the major grimoires, I must confess that I have yet to complete reading Agrippa's First Book of Occult Philosophy. Therefore, I apologize if the answers to my questions are already present, either directly or indirectly, in such works, although I believe this to be unlikely. Additionally, I kindly request your understanding regarding any grammar errors, as English is not my primary language and I may lack proficiency in certain areas.

While I do highly recommend finishing Agrippa's trilogy, I also recommend reading modern day commentaries on the classics. While they're not perfect, authors like Jake Stratton-Kent, Joe Peterson, Chris Hyatt, Jason Black, Aaron Leitch, Stephen Skinner, David Rankine, etc have all contributed immensely to elucidating on how to accurately work with material found in grimoire magic.

 

[Angelical]

A. Monotheism and Polytheism are the same. Angels in Monotheism are the Gods of Polytheism.

B. I don’t see why not, Solomon never converted to Christianity.

C. Yes.

D. Some Angels will allow you to Worship them even and Satan will allow you to replace God with him if you want.

E. Not Age restrictions, but the First Chapter offers what is a restriction to most everyone on the Planet.

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[asahsh]

Not entirely sure what you mean here. Sorry. Are you able to either rephrase or elaborate?


Of course! No different than a practitioner who doesn't belong to a Celtic system but calling on Bran or Cerridwen for assistance in a working. Only difference is with Grimoire Tradition there is the act of obtaining Divine Authority, where you recognize and declare your place as "Man as Magician" within the universe and acting with the Authority of God. In order to accomplish this it would be wise to actually believe it, even if it's only for that working. Chaotes are notorious for dipping in and out of belief systems, only taking on the belief system during the magical act itself. Once the spell or ritual is over, they revert to their original belief system.


Of course. Grimoire Tradition is not a closed system by any stretch of the term.


You have to understand the mindset of the people who drafted these texts. The vast majority of the writers and users of these texts were clergymen. This is why many of the more "classical" or "original" grimoires use the term Exorcist rather than magician. This is because an Exorcist was an actual order of the ancient Church that clergy were trained in. So it would make sense that these clergymen would make such a claim. I'm confident that if the Liber Juratus was written by an Muslim Mystic it would say something like "the angels would only be useful to the most pious of Muslims".

Yes, the angels in Grim Trad are the same as used in mainstream religions. Where else would we get angels from? While many cultures have "angel-like beings" in their lore and mythos; the angels that we know in the West come from a specific region of the world. But the angels generally don't really care about your religious affiliation. In my experience angels are like dealing with the government (while on the flip side, demons would be like dealing with the mafia). There are hoops to jump through and endless paperwork to sign but if you follow the rules, just like the government (usually), the angels do what they say.


What do you mean? Some of the materia magicia may not be able to be purchased if you're under 18 (at least in the US) like a sword but that's about it. I mean, this work isn't meant for children so if you're not an adult I wouldn't venture into Grimoire Tradition just yet. Not only is it not a cheap endeavor so a full time job is highly recommended, but the mental fortitude needed for this type of work is something that comes with life experience.


While I do highly recommend finishing Agrippa's trilogy, I also recommend reading modern day commentaries on the classics. While they're not perfect, authors like Jake Stratton-Kent, Joe Peterson, Chris Hyatt, Jason Black, Aaron Leitch, Stephen Skinner, David Rankine, etc have all contributed immensely to elucidating on how to accurately work with material found in grimoire magic.

Thanks, I really appreciate your detailed response. Regarding the first few lines of my post, I was desirous of knowing if invocations to the Abrahamic deity contained in the grimoires are useful for idolators, though now I have no such doubt as you have so clearly explained in your comment.

 

[The God-King]

Thanks, I really appreciate your detailed response. Regarding the first few lines of my post, I was desirous of knowing if invocations to the Abrahamic deity contained in the grimoires are useful for idolators, though now I have no such doubt as you have so clearly explained in your comment.

Glad I could help, cheers!

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

All good answers.
There are several folks interested in Solomon Magic.
I cannot comment further that while I participated in evocations, I've never done one myself, I've never attempted Solomon magic.
Solomons original will was to do the will of God. Nothing I see is idolatry, unless you worship them as opposed to command them.
Some demons highly resent Solomonic style evocations. The most important thing is to firmly command them to reside in the triangle and nowhere else. Otherwise things can get out of hand quick.