Hallucinations or spiritual experiences?

[auza121]

My life has been in a state of confusion for 2 years now interacting with hallucinations/entities. I came to this board to find more answers because my family/friends have no conception of these things. There are different entities depending on my current mental state some give ( telepahtic?) advice and some are chaotic and jovial. The visions are a daily experience and I dont know if they are projections of my subconscious or real. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

First off, have you been willingly introducing sigils or names to your field of consciousness? Ie listening to enn chants, staring at demonic sigils, etc? Any involvement with "Old Ones" or gods and goddesses of any particular pantheon, what books have you been reading, etc.

Wont delve into your mental health diagnosis if any, not my business, but a Priest would ask you single pointed questions regarding it for screening for exorcisms. Most possession cases are recorded as mental health issues, which is no surprise, based on which concept of the Goetia you go with.

As far as dealing with the hallucinations, observe, dont judge, record.
Observe: Discern that it is a hallucination, but note characteristics of it or name if possible.
Dont Judge: Self explanatory
Record: Immediately describe in journal without elaborating.

Get a pair of trusted second eyes on your journal recordings. Note also any substances used, general health, mood, weather conditions, moon phase/planet transits, etc.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Also, any use of portals, direct portals, drawn keys, ouija board, pendulum, channelling, automatic writing, automatic scribbling, etc?

What spiritual cleansing routines do you do? Especially on the reg (constant, daily, etc)?

 

[Mider2009]

Ask an independent person...a reader or medium

but you’ll need to find someone you trust, there’s many scammers out there who’ll feed you bullshit.

 

[Jarhyn]

My life has been in a state of confusion for 2 years now interacting with hallucinations/entities. I came to this board to find more answers because my family/friends have no conception of these things. There are different entities depending on my current mental state some give ( telepahtic?) advice and some are chaotic and jovial. The visions are a daily experience and I dont know if they are projections of my subconscious or real. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

So, from a materialist perspective: they are both.

They are something that existed out in the world in the form of stories or ideas that, when planted in your mind, blossomed in the soil it found there together into those entities you see.

They absolutely exist, but they may more exist as chunks of your own brain that are doing "their own thing" with the material there.

"Projections of your subconscious" aren't "not real" though. They are in fact exactly as real as you, or me, or your parents are. They are clumps of neurons, and even if the things you perceive of them are only in the domain of your own brain, it's still something happening to you.

Can the entity hop out of your head and into someone else's? Is there a way or people with which this experience and perception may be shared? I would certainly be overjoyed to see it but I have never once seen concrete evidence of such.

Even so, it's entirely possible that the brain sections in your head which generate these entities also have generated it within another person's brain and between the instances there may be a natural (if subtle, and perhaps subtextual) material language by which these communicate: it may be a distributed or multi-instance entity that has cross-talk.

So it isn't necessarily "one or the other". It can be a hallucination, the hallucination can (I dare say IS) still be a real entity made of the stuff real entities are made of, and the hallucination can have an external presence and communicate datum between "hallucinations of different persons" all the same.

Perhaps I just described "spiritual" in material terms?

 

[auza121]

First off, have you been willingly introducing sigils or names to your field of consciousness? Ie listening to enn chants, staring at demonic sigils, etc? Any involvement with "Old Ones" or gods and goddesses of any particular pantheon, what books have you been reading, etc.

Wont delve into your mental health diagnosis if any, not my business, but a Priest would ask you single pointed questions regarding it for screening for exorcisms. Most possession cases are recorded as mental health issues, which is no surprise, based on which concept of the Goetia you go with.

Wow I really didnt expect such comprehensive and thoughtful responses. Thanks all for taking the time.

Dilucolo, I had an experience with boon in my early dabblings. At the time I didnt understand the weight sigils hold, took time looking at goetic demon sigils for whatever reason Boon stuck in my mind and when I went to bed that night jokingly I said his name 3 times. Behind closed eyes I saw his sigil burn in blue flame and fell asleep. While asleep It felt as though I was pushed out of my body and could slightly navigate through my house. When i woke up my headboard to my bed had fallen forewards and nearly hit me, also the room was disheveled. I took this as a warning and no longer planned to interact with those sorts of things until I had learned more.

As far as experiences with gods/ goddesses, I can say my roots in the occult came from Shamanic use of entheogenic plant medicines as well as Cannabis. Within these experiences I have consistently been in contact with a goddess of sorts ( similar to Gaia/Sophia ect.)

I will definitely take to heart the advice of journaling. I have practices in automatic writing in which symbols and straight out Question/ answer responses surface, Some helpful some not so helpful and some that are right out chaotic nonsense.

Ask an independent person...a reader or medium

Mider, do you have any recommendations of how to reach out and find someone who is the real deal? Im a solo practitioner in socal.

Perhaps I just described "spiritual" in material terms?

Jarhyn, thanks for the input I really hadn't though of it in material terms it helps to ground the concepts.

 

[Jarhyn]

Wow I really didnt expect such comprehensive and thoughtful responses. Thanks all for taking the time.

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Jarhyn, thanks for the input I really hadn't though of it in material terms it helps to ground the concepts.

NP. This is one of the reasons I'm here. One of the things I most despise is people making the unfounded and franky unacceptable jump from...

...'the things of the universe are not compatible with how someone conceptualizes things they claim exist'...

...to...

....'the things they claim exist have no conceptualization that would allow them to exist in the universe'.

The latter does not follow from the former. It merely implies the model is wrong, not that the phenomena observed is absent.

THAT SAID, there is a machine in you that: when taken with a naming of intent, generally three or more times, it gives consent for that Named Intent to grab at least SOME of your core agency/authority over your meat on the basis of how you understand the Intent and the Name, and after some way of effectively communicating that the bargain was struck and your brain is going to birth something of roughly that shape.

The ritual and cleansing and circles and pentagrams are just explicit props to say "you get no agency, this is a one-time thing then back into the oubliette."

I dunno the mechanisms or process of that machine and frankly, I try my hardest not to mess around with it.

 

[SkullTraill]

Mider, do you have any recommendations of how to reach out and find someone who is the real deal? Im a solo practitioner in socal.

You could make a request on WF, if you'd like

And while others were correct in pointing out that it would be unwelcome of us to judge your mental health problems (if you have any at all), I guess it's always advisable to consider the possibility of it especially when you describe it as "a state of confusion for 2 years now interacting with hallucinations/entities". Have you entertained the possibility, or have you taken steps to eliminate it from consideration? If not, it's definitely something you should be acutely aware of and careful with. I've seen far too many people fall into the endless pit of mental health problems because of online reinforcement that they had no mental illness and there was some occult explanation for their hallucinations/confusion.

Please do take it seriously!

 

[wheezerball75]

My life has been in a state of confusion for 2 years now interacting with hallucinations/entities. I came to this board to find more answers because my family/friends have no conception of these things. There are different entities depending on my current mental state some give ( telepahtic?) advice and some are chaotic and jovial. The visions are a daily experience and I dont know if they are projections of my subconscious or real. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

oh totally dude

 

[auza121]

I've seen far too many people fall into the endless pit of mental health problems because of online reinforcement that they had no mental illness and there was some occult explanation for their hallucinations/confusion.

Please do take it seriously!

I appreciate it skull. I have been going to a therapist for over a year now as well as a neurologist to test for a type of seizure that would cause such effects with negative results. Funny enough they have factored out Schizophrenia and psychosis because of the nature of my experiences and basically gave me the asnwer "theres alot we dont know". Leading me to occult readings and study Im happy to be here will all of yeah.

 

[Konsciencia]

Perhaps, is a signed to lead you into a more profound Connection to the Divine Source. I could be wrong though.

 

[SkullTraill]

I appreciate it skull. I have been going to a therapist for over a year now as well as a neurologist to test for a type of seizure that would cause such effects with negative results. Funny enough they have factored out Schizophrenia and psychosis because of the nature of my experiences and basically gave me the asnwer "theres alot we dont know". Leading me to occult readings and study Im happy to be here will all of yeah.

Fair play man, if that's the case then more power to you on your occult path! Hope you find the answers you seek!

Personally I struggle with even simple visualization and clairvoyance so I can't claim to know anything much about hallucinations or the visualizations you describe, but hopefully someone will

 

[Bandaboy]

If you are unable to atleast control the entities communications that come into your spiritual receptacle, then it means your porous and imbalanced.

Entities of all sorts want to get human attention and would jump at every opportunity to make themselves known. If you don't establish boundaries around yourself, I'm afraid it will only get worse.

Since your whole bodies in the ocean, your going to have to do this spiritual thing full-time in such and such a way that you learn how to balance and control. Harmony is important!

 

[Merlinscloak]

It reads to me like according to your future esoteric choices, you could be being measured up for a unworldly initiation, within my experience it is no easy thing.

 

[Roma]

2 years now interacting with hallucinations/entities.

Step outside your body and imagine looking back at it and its energy field.

You may be able to feel/see a variety of parasitic/adverse entities attached to you.

Those doing the exercise for the first time report gaps/wedges in their light body, larvae/cockroaches, octopus-like entities with tentacles into the brain and heart, and hooks anchoring connections to other entities including human.

A few can also see a cloud of their family karma.

So the first task is examining and cleaning your energy space. Do that using light from your heart. Adverse attitude to the interference merely feeds the parasites.

 

[auza121]

If you don't establish boundaries around yourself, I'm afraid it will only get worse.

Would a consistent practice of the LBRP/Middle pillar be sufficient? Tbh ive been slacking on daily ritual.

It reads to me like according to your future esoteric choices, you could be being measured up for a unworldly initiation, within my experience it is no easy thing.

It has definitely felt like that at times. The interactions are strange to say the least but i have felt a change in my values and a loosening of the ego. Its been a rough couple of years to say the least but looking back I can say the struggle has contributed to loosening of my anxieties and having a more artistic view of the world.

Do you have any advice to prepare for this form of initiation?

So the first task is examining and cleaning your energy space. Do that using light from your heart. Adverse attitude to the interference merely feeds the parasites.

Is there guidlines to this practice or is it something that i would take my own interpretation of? Say for using light from the heart getting into a state of gnosis then imagining light pouring from my heart and sweeping the room like a lighthouse would do?

 

[Roma]

In the standard human The Light from On High descends as a vertical white stream into the heart, anchoring as a Flame.

That Flame produces the life force for the human system.

Since our god is a god of love, the light from on high is divine love. Human love is a very low bandwidth reflection of divine love,

So use the light from your Flame to transform your relationship with whatever predatory entities are feeding off you.

Push the light from the Flame slowly around your body in a spiral, noticing where the light is less bright or has diminished flows. Such places are compromised. Give them a lot of light

 

[Amur]

You can use the middle pillar excercise whenever you want and do the middle pillar God Names for Kether - Tiphareth - Yesod and Malkuth. After your done place Yod at Kether and just see every negative effect burn away from within you. An easy way of getting them away.