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Yeah, I think that is what the Karenin dude wants! I will further not engage in arguments as I saw how the topic already reached 57 replies and besides that, arguing with Rynnshng really proved to be like talking to a brick wall. I put out historical and spiritual facts yet all I received in the pdf he launched were the classical conspiracies that circulate in various political caricatures.
I am for Spirituality not politics, so... end of arguments with Rynnshng. Focusing on spirituality and debunking Nazi myths.
True, and that is what I have been doing since I criticized the Oskar Dirlewanger pic that Karenin chose. Then it kind of devolved since out of nowhere the Rynnshng guy came in and started with saying the conspiracy thing about the All Seeing Eye symbol, conspiracy that was further debunked.
That's the point. Many people (especially young people) believe in the "mystique of the SS." Whereas in fact it was Himmler who FORBADE the study of runes and so on. In 1939, six Japanese who had come to the Reich to teach the SS the mysticism of Buddhism and Shintoism were arrested as British spies. Himmler told the SS officers to "Believe. To obey. To fight. That's all." All study of runes and other things was stopped. But modern neo-Nazis believe that Himmler was a "great runologist" and so on.
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Neo-Nazis say that Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels was the ideological and spiritual founder of National Socialism. This is not the case. After 1945, Lanz lived quietly in Austria, mainly in Vienna, without being subjected to any persecution by the Soviet occupation authorities, giving interviews to journalists about his meetings with the young Hitler and boasting that he had "given the latter all his ideas." In fact, theses about racial purity and racial selection, eugenic measures, and so on were widespread in the society of that time even without Liebenfels and his Ostara magazine. The division into "higher" and "lower" races is not at all an "invention" of fascists or National Socialists. This is the official scientific doctrine of anthropology and racology of that time. Including in such fully democratic countries as the United Kingdom and the United States (where, by the way, "whites only" signs hung on benches until the mid-50s, and forced sterilization of alcoholics and mentally ill people was used 10 years before Hitler came to power). The statement that a black man would be President of the United States would cause a fit of homeric laughter even from those American soldiers who fought against the Nazis. Even 10-15 years after the war. Because a black man can only sweep the streets or deliver beer. Well, you can also play the banjo in jazz. Anti-Semitism was also not invented by Liebenfels and Hitler. By the way, the differences on the "Jewish question" between Liebenfels and Hitler are particularly large and obvious. According to Elsa Schmidt-Falk of the Guido von List Society, who knew Hitler intimately in her youth, the Fuhrer only once, and then extremely disapprovingly, spoke about Lanz and his "clique of homosexuals." Well, if you believe Hitler himself ("My struggle", chapter 12. The initial period of the development of the National Socialist Workers' Party of Germany.), then he couldn't stand all kinds of mystics and narodniks at all..
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We need to tell the truth. Consistently expose myths. And not just saying something like, "You Nazi pig, you killed millions of people." The Soviet Union lost 27 million of its citizens in that war, more than any other country. We won this war. The Nazis were defeated. A terrible, bloody price. In every family in the USSR, there were those who died in that war. Military and civilian. But winning a war and winning an ideology are two different things. You can't just ban a person from being a Nazi. We need to explain to him what's good and what's bad about it.
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If a person is a neo-Nazi because he believes that Hitler was an "Avatar" or Himmler was a "great runologist," we must figure out the FACTS whether this is true or not. Otherwise we won't be able to prove anything.
Ha, Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels! There's a TV documentary about him, all sober and factual but interspersed with quotes from Liebenfels delivered by actor Leon Askin who had had to flee Austria in 1940 because he was Jewish. Those monologues were hilarious, how the guy even found a printer for those absurdities is beyond me.
The trouble is that neonazis aren't interested in facts, they prefer their own perverse brand of history. Tell them there were even Muslim SS divisions towards the end of the war, and they won't believe you (although they seem to love Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem and buddy of Hitler's because he hated the Jews). Mention the Shoa, the fact that the nazis let over three million Soviet POWs starve to death, and they'll pooh-pooh the numbers, anything to uphold their image of Hitler as their glorious hero. In reality, he was a narrow-minded petty bourgeois with philistine tastes and halitosis, driven, shrewd, but certainly no intellectual giant, and no grand wizard either.
And I hear you about racism in those days. Recently I saw an American documentary about the
where their officers told them to draw the curtains of their train compartments because the yokels liked to take potshots at black soldiers. Unbelievable.
Any fanatics are not interested in facts. They perceive it as enemy propaganda. But we have to squeeze out their stubbornness with facts, like toothpaste out of a tube. Is not it so?
Any fanatics are not interested in facts. They perceive it as enemy propaganda. But we have to squeeze out their stubbornness with facts, like toothpaste out of a tube. Is not it so?
way too funny 
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