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How do you experience the Communion between you and your Higher Self/ Guardian Angel? I think it probably varies a lot between people since it such a personal experience by concept. I was just wondering since I just made myself aware of it recently.

For me, I was preparing for the Abramelin ritual for months, buying the herbs and incense, thinking about the oath and how I would write it down, what wand or crown should I use, how my altar would look like, and how would I perform the ritual, all in hopes to contact the HGA. Once I got all of those things sorted, I tried and I manage to actually succeed contacting the HGA on the first day with no doubts at all.

Encountering the HGA was precisely what it was described to me how it would be: a "shiver" of pleasure running trough your spine. I was actually surprised because it lasted only but a moment, and it was almost like I haved spin the wheel on a radio at the "right" station for fraction of a moment. Perhaps it was like that since it was the first day, so I must continue with the work. But then, I heard a "ringing", something most people I assume hear when in deep silence. I always dismiss it thinking it was some sort of "brain" noise or something similar, but I had the profound realization that the "noise" is the HGA.

I though it would speak direct words, or be some sort of vision, but it wasn't like that at all. It was just there, as it always been, and sudendly I am constantly aware of the noise. I can hear it right now as a I write these words. And as if that wasn't enough, I experienced a very strong synchronicity right after the ritual ended, as a sort of confirmation. Now I ask, how is it like for the rest of you? Do you hear it like I do, or do you experience it in some other fashion?
 

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a "shiver" of pleasure running through your spine.

That seems to be pretty standard in my observation/experience of connection to higher light beings: the human's light body expands and becomes brighter, light flows more strongly in the spine (depending on blockages) and the human feels taller, stronger and more authoritative

Connection to higher dark/ambiguous beings is usually uncomfortable astrally so I reverse the timeline to before the event and restart from there
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I heard a "ringing",

The next chakra above the head (sometimes called "the point within the circle") can be operated like a bell.

If someone is in spiritual difficulty and asks for help, I sometimes show them how to ring that bell.

Then their subplanes line up and the higher light can flow easily into the personality - until the next difficulty occurs
 
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Now I ask, how is it like for the rest of you? Do you hear it like I do, or do you experience it in some other fashion?

I won't even pretend that this is Easy to describe!

A certain release of anxiety with the knowledge that we are "Individuals" currently wearing a Mask occurred for me. As an Individual you will not lose that and merge into ALL THAT IS. You will though become aware of All the Other Individualistic ones like yourself that comprise ALL THAT IS, because ALL are CONNECTED, and NEVER have been SEPARATE at all. Manifest Reality and Incarnation is vast stage upon which to Play.
( Now I Relate to Shakespeare)

The desire for companionship that resulted in the creation of Individual Sparks won't go away now that were here. Once an Individuality no longer feels the need to "Play" (gather experience) on the denser levels, it will assimilate everything, retaining awareness of ALL it's experiences, but It does not cease to exist as an Individuality. The "fear" (of the Second Death) that the Personality experiences is understandable because that's where it "seems" to end. To me the Personality goes to sleep briefly and wakes up as it's Real Identity as an Individuality, with all that that implies! We are All Individual Souls! What we experience is Union with the God of Ourselves (Individuality), which is in turn is in Concert with ALL THAT IS. If it decides to, the Soul can do it all Again! Here on this level we Individualistic Selves interact together through our "Personas".
A Healthy Personality is Absolutely Necessary to function Down Here! As long as we don't get caught up in "Magusitus" we should be okay. The Individuality though is the Real Deal, it Can Do Real Magic, it's What Does Real Magic! And it's Us! At what point us Personalities realize that is the Question? I like some of the descriptions of what the "Higher Self" is capable of that Max Freedom Long gives in "The Secret Science Behind Miracles" when speaking of shamanistic Kahunas in concert with their "Aumakua" or Higher Selves. Trifles like Instant healing of broken bones,
and all manner of other Manifestation Magic. The Magic we're capable of through our Personality (while Real enough) Pales in comparison to that of the Higher Self! As magicians we should all bring through the Knowledge and Conversation of Ourselves at that level, Whew...!
 

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The only time i consciously contacted my HGA it was in a vision. In my vision my body was light and i was doing a sort of mudra-like yoga floating above a mountain when a beam of bluish white light stretching infinitely above and infinitely below appeared before me like im looking at a pole and assured me i would receive all the things that i had prayed for. At the time i had no concious knowledge of any of my spirit guides and, like any of the rare times before this that i had prayed, i prayed to "God, Satan, My ancestors, My Higher power, whoever is out there"

For a time i was wondering if it was Apollo or my HGA - and while writing the above paragraph i intuited that it was indeed my HGA. But now i'm wondering if they arent one in the same....

Besides all that, the other way is just when i reflect on my affairs and i can see the DNA of my HGA all over the crime scene so to speak.
 

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I won't even pretend that this is Easy to describe!

A certain release of anxiety with the knowledge that we are "Individuals" currently wearing a Mask occurred for me. As an Individual you will not lose that and merge into ALL THAT IS. You will though become aware of All the Other Individualistic ones like yourself that comprise ALL THAT IS, because ALL are CONNECTED, and NEVER have been SEPARATE at all. Manifest Reality and Incarnation is vast stage upon which to Play.
( Now I Relate to Shakespeare)

The desire for companionship that resulted in the creation of Individual Sparks won't go away now that were here. Once an Individuality no longer feels the need to "Play" (gather experience) on the denser levels, it will assimilate everything, retaining awareness of ALL it's experiences, but It does not cease to exist as an Individuality. The "fear" (of the Second Death) that the Personality experiences is understandable because that's where it "seems" to end. To me the Personality goes to sleep briefly and wakes up as it's Real Identity as an Individuality, with all that that implies! We are All Individual Souls! What we experience is Union with the God of Ourselves (Individuality), which is in turn is in Concert with ALL THAT IS. If it decides to, the Soul can do it all Again! Here on this level we Individualistic Selves interact together through our "Personas".
A Healthy Personality is Absolutely Necessary to function Down Here! As long as we don't get caught up in "Magusitus" we should be okay. The Individuality though is the Real Deal, it Can Do Real Magic, it's What Does Real Magic! And it's Us! At what point us Personalities realize that is the Question? I like some of the descriptions of what the "Higher Self" is capable of that Max Freedom Long gives in "The Secret Science Behind Miracles" when speaking of shamanistic Kahunas in concert with their "Aumakua" or Higher Selves. Trifles like Instant healing of broken bones,
and all manner of other Manifestation Magic. The Magic we're capable of through our Personality (while Real enough) Pales in comparison to that of the Higher Self! As magicians we should all bring through the Knowledge and Conversation of Ourselves at that level, Whew...!
It's really not easy to describe lol.

I am continuing my work with the HGA, and last time I felt what I can only describe as "my body melting", which was a very weird feeling.
Perception in this state is also very different. I was in complete darkness, witht he only light source being the small burn from the incense, and I could see my hands in an "unstable" form. Reminded my of quantum physics and how light changes depending on the pathway of information. It reminded my that the HGA is outside, part of everything, and we are contained within it.

In the end, however, I failed because of the timer I set on the phone. Also, my body is in constant state of uncomfort, especially in the back (I get years of bad posture are starting to show), so I get distracted during the rituals and ultimatly fail to completely "melt" in a sort of way. I guess the vessel of y body needs more work to get acostume to this type of interaction...
 

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The only time i consciously contacted my HGA it was in a vision. In my vision my body was light and i was doing a sort of mudra-like yoga floating above a mountain when a beam of bluish white light stretching infinitely above and infinitely below appeared before me like im looking at a pole and assured me i would receive all the things that i had prayed for. At the time i had no concious knowledge of any of my spirit guides and, like any of the rare times before this that i had prayed, i prayed to "God, Satan, My ancestors, My Higher power, whoever is out there"

For a time i was wondering if it was Apollo or my HGA - and while writing the above paragraph i intuited that it was indeed my HGA. But now i'm wondering if they arent one in the same....

Besides all that, the other way is just when i reflect on my affairs and i can see the DNA of my HGA all over the crime scene so to speak.
In my opinion and Intuited too, there's a whole lot more interconnection going on in the inner levels than we realize, till we become involved in things like we are talking about here. I would say Dion Fortune's concept of "Soft Polytheism" started me off in a certain direction. ;)

Getting Stoked for Tonight!!! :cool:
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It's really not easy to describe lol.

I am continuing my work with the HGA, and last time I felt what I can only describe as "my body melting", which was a very weird feeling.
Perception in this state is also very different. I was in complete darkness, witht he only light source being the small burn from the incense, and I could see my hands in an "unstable" form. Reminded my of quantum physics and how light changes depending on the pathway of information. It reminded my that the HGA is outside, part of everything, and we are contained within it.

In the end, however, I failed because of the timer I set on the phone. Also, my body is in constant state of uncomfort, especially in the back (I get years of bad posture are starting to show), so I get distracted during the rituals and ultimatly fail to completely "melt" in a sort of way. I guess the vessel of y body needs more work to get acostume to this type of interaction...
That's Why it's a Practice, Few succeed without Practice, do the Bornless Rite a Hundred times, with full ceremony. By that point things crystalized enough that I got some results (feedback). We Practice (like any other Professional) till we "Get it Right!" (y)

Getting Stoked for the Ancestral Invocation / Red Meal, Tonight! Be Back Tomorrow! 🤘
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I won't even pretend that this is Easy to describe!

A certain release of anxiety with the knowledge that we are "Individuals" currently wearing a Mask occurred for me. As an Individual you will not lose that and merge into ALL THAT IS. You will though become aware of All the Other Individualistic ones like yourself that comprise ALL THAT IS, because ALL are CONNECTED, and NEVER have been SEPARATE at all. Manifest Reality and Incarnation is vast stage upon which to Play.
( Now I Relate to Shakespeare)

The desire for companionship that resulted in the creation of Individual Sparks won't go away now that were here. Once an Individuality no longer feels the need to "Play" (gather experience) on the denser levels, it will assimilate everything, retaining awareness of ALL it's experiences, but It does not cease to exist as an Individuality. The "fear" (of the Second Death) that the Personality experiences is understandable because that's where it "seems" to end. To me the Personality goes to sleep briefly and wakes up as it's Real Identity as an Individuality, with all that that implies! We are All Individual Souls! What we experience is Union with the God of Ourselves (Individuality), which is in turn is in Concert with ALL THAT IS. If it decides to, the Soul can do it all Again! Here on this level we Individualistic Selves interact together through our "Personas".
A Healthy Personality is Absolutely Necessary to function Down Here! As long as we don't get caught up in "Magusitus" we should be okay. The Individuality though is the Real Deal, it Can Do Real Magic, it's What Does Real Magic! And it's Us! At what point us Personalities realize that is the Question? I like some of the descriptions of what the "Higher Self" is capable of that Max Freedom Long gives in "The Secret Science Behind Miracles" when speaking of shamanistic Kahunas in concert with their "Aumakua" or Higher Selves. Trifles like Instant healing of broken bones,
and all manner of other Manifestation Magic. The Magic we're capable of through our Personality (while Real enough) Pales in comparison to that of the Higher Self! As magicians we should all bring through the Knowledge and Conversation of Ourselves at that level, Whew...!
I want to add something here that is significant. Of the many forms of Invocation of the Higher Self / HGA that exist, the one that has captured and fascinated a large number of us is the "Bornless" rite. After a Long experience with it in various permutations, there's one intrinsic feature that's important to understand. The Bornless rite uses the shift of "Person" as in the "grammatical" sense of First, Second person, etc., to shift the "focus" of the invocation from Second to First person at a significant point internally. Over time, and with the proper level of Intensity (As in Enflame Thyself), each time this Shift is made, the celebrant retains a "little" bit more of the Individuality so fervently sought by Invocation.
To put it in it's proper perspective, the rite is "Transformational". With each "successful" performance, the Personality is transformed a little bit more into it's own Individuality. A process Dion Fortune referred to simply as "Individuation". In all the attempts that I've made to try and convey What and Why I do this, I never have seemed to have successfully gotten this across, until now!

I don't practice this in the sense of the "Abramelin Operation", though that's appropriate for some. Mine is more of an "I Feel the Need NOW" approach, which is how I fuel the rite with the necessary Fire to be effective. Usually several times per week, though I have done it Daily for some periods of time as well, I feel space to assimilate the effects (meditation) between performances works better for me personally. There is No Doubt I'm a Lot Different Now. It Does Transform You. (y) It isn't the path of Least Resistance though. Simpler Invocations will be just as effective for some folks! For some reason I felt the need to put that on the table as an incentive to find what Works for you.
Time is running away like Water! Some folks will need less time for a real transformation, some more, I needed more, because I'm just pain Slow on the pickup! :ROFLMAO: And that's the Truth!
 
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But then, I heard a "ringing",
Take this with a grain of salt. When I was very young my Grandmother told me that if your ear/s ring it means someone is thinking of or talking about you. Maybe as in soon to communicate with you. Over the years I've had some experience of that being more or less true. Sometimes there's a physical cause like sinus pressure, etc. But, other times it's the "Astral Bell" effect, more "internal /mental", but sounds like ringing.

Basically, the HGA or Higher Self communicates with us in two ways, though I'm sure there are more if necessary.
These are in Meditation, sensing thoughts, concepts, sensing impressions, etc. Then there is "Synchronicity"! All kinds of synchronous events
are possible. One needs to perceive them, and learn to interpret them. Those are the two methods that have been most common for me.

I think it's important to remember that Invocation is "Calling, Asking, Imploring", et al, Meditation should involve "Listening" for Communication.
Synchronicity is perhaps demonstrating "I heard You"? And, everyone is of course different, so perceptions may be different as well.
 

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What does "knowledge and communication" mean to yalll in this context? For me that was direct contact as the "knowledge of" and the synchronicities, prayers being answered etc... information finding its way to me as i need it, that kind of thing. but of course i always want to strengthen that.

I suppose the knowledge AND communication aspect is simply knowing it guides you, trusting that process, and strengthening your ability to receive and carry out direction.
 

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What does "knowledge and communication" mean
Communication seems easier. I received words in my mind for a decade before I knew the source

The HGA interfaces with the human through the higher mental subplanes, the buddhic plane and the atmic plane.

As the human becomes competent on those levels, the HGA progressively withdraws.

If the human's personality is too difficult/dense/dark, the HGA waits
 

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What does "knowledge and communication" mean to yalll in this context? For me that was direct contact as the "knowledge of" and the synchronicities, prayers being answered etc... information finding its way to me as i need it, that kind of thing. but of course i always want to strengthen that.

I suppose the knowledge AND communication aspect is simply knowing it guides you, trusting that process, and strengthening your ability to receive and carry out direction.
Well yeah, once it's willingly invited to participate in one's life, Communication can improve a lot. The phrase "Knowledge and Conversation of the HGA goes back a bit time wise, it's pretty close to the goal though. Sometimes I get clear thoughts and mistake them for my own, then realize that makes too much sense. Sometimes you just Know something (clairsentience). A while back I went out to my car and there was a green praying mantis sitting next to the door handle, my first thought was "Well now...", we just regarded each other happily for a while. (It was a Good omen though). I didn't want to move it. Several minutes later I blinked and it was gone. I had to do some research on that one, though I knew it was positive right off the bat, I had to smile. For a while now Synchronicity has been predominant over other forms of "Conversation" in my life.

I Never Ignore a Synchronicity, it's just Fucking Rude! (Excuse my language).

Some of my posts (lately) tell how amazing some of them are. Even as "dense" as I can be it usually clicks fast, and I think "Got It!". 🤘
 

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Does the ringing vary?
A little, depends a lot in the moment I guess. But it always remains the same "tone".
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I think it makes very much sense to be a ringing for me, since the altar itself is a piano, and I always "open" the ritual by playing a song.

Also I wanted to add that yesterday I didn't do the ritual due to lazyness and tired. I woke up feeling like shit, and today I didn't evoke that "shiver" feeling at all. Feelings of pain were invoked instead, and the sychronicity was that the incense fire was out, then my mind went "I need to rekindle the flame". As soon as I light the fire, it hits my finger and I felt pain for the rest of the ritual. The fire wasn't rekindle, and when I tried with the left hand, the incense fell as it was completely burned.

A part of me is telling that I am overeacting, amd that I just need to learn how to forgive myself. But at the same time, I feel thats a trap. I can't be sorry for myself, I just need to act better...
 
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A part of me is telling that I am overeacting, amd that I just need to learn how to forgive myself. But at the same time, I feel thats a trap. I can't be sorry for myself, I just need to act better...
@Doorman,

Here's something you might find interesting and Helpful if you haven't seen it. It's Extremely Important to feel GOOD about One's Self.

[Tutorial] Reclaiming Rite (for recovering scattered power) by Aidan Wachter

I would check it out, it can only add to your growing experiences as a Magician, Sorcerer, Witch or Wizard. I've seen other similar rites, but to Me
this is Kind of the "Best in it's Class!" kinda thing. It's difficult to perform effectively while dragging around all kinds of debilitating bullshit. ;)
One of the main features is How to Forgive Yourself!
 

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I would check it out, it can only add to your growing experiences as a Magician, Sorcerer, Witch or Wizard. I've seen other similar rites, but to Me
this is Kind of the "Best in it's Class!" kinda thing. It's difficult to perform effectively while dragging around all kinds of debilitating bullshit. ;)
One of the main features is How to Forgive Yourself!
Very interesting ritual! I will 100% try it out and see the results
 

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Very interesting ritual! I will 100% try it out and see the results
Second that great tutorial! Just make sure you try it for 7 or 21 days (or make it a part of your daily practice), repetition helps you to familiarize yourself with its concepts. I confess I'm still struggling with the ritual since forgiving and blessing myself are so foreign to my mental makeup (what? retiring my inner slavedriver? no way, José!) but it has become easier over time.
 

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Second that great tutorial! Just make sure you try it for 7 or 21 days (or make it a part of your daily practice), repetition helps you to familiarize yourself with its concepts. I confess I'm still struggling with the ritual since forgiving and blessing myself are so foreign to my mental makeup (what? retiring my inner slavedriver? no way, José!) but it has become easier over time.
Yeah, certainly it can take 7, 21, or even a Full Lunar Cycle to pry loose the B$$$! If it takes More than that, So Be It! After that, you'll Know and Feel when to repeat! (y) And... it Does get easier, some pernicious stuff is deeply ground into us, though not a real intrinsic part of us, "Begone!"
 

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little, depends a lot in the moment I guess. But it always remains the same "tone".

It is not uncommon across many traditions to have inner sound experiences (sometimes called the nada sound since it doesn't have a physical source). But people also experience natural or unnatural tinnitus. At any rate, it feels to me like (as far as I can tell with a stranger posting online) an initial set of promising signs followed by difficulty. Not uncommon in my experience and based on what I have heard from others.
 
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