You shouldn't dismiss magic doesn't work because maybe it is working in the background but then you can't completely dismiss the fact that the results weren't what you wanted or didn't show up. So what do you do when you feel a ritual has failed? Do you pretend it has worked but then do another ritual?
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How do you face it when a ritual fails?
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Interesting question. One of the things I've seen before is that the failure was down to trying to accomplish too much change. In the words of Dirty Harry: "Man's gotta know his limitations"
You may find that you get success in the worst way possible - the 'Monkey's Paw' outcome.
And lastly, unless you had a strict time limit set on it, you may find that your success comes later than you thought, or even in the past!
You may find that you get success in the worst way possible - the 'Monkey's Paw' outcome.
And lastly, unless you had a strict time limit set on it, you may find that your success comes later than you thought, or even in the past!
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Like Robert said this is a very interesting question and one that all practitioners have to face at some point.
Not knowing what you are trying to pull off and your experience level, my advice is to:
- Not to pretend like it worked but don’t dwell on the results either.
- If you have talent with divination, do a reading to see if you can find out why you haven’t seen the results you expected. Remember the other side is just as complex and complicated as this side. You aren’t the only will out there so there are tons of reasons why something hasn’t worked yet.
- (probably) don’t switch to another system. A lot of times newer practitioners think something failed and auto switch to a different tradition that they have even less experience with. And don’t achieve anything except for a string of one off failures thru every magical system known to mankind until they just give up. Don’t know if this applies to you but I’ll just throw it out there - food for thought.
- If the result is important to you then: using the same spell/ritual as before, let yourself get pissed that it hasn’t given you the results you wanted. Double down and with that righteous fury do it again just bigger and more elaborate than before. Force the results through. Don’t except any other outcome.
No time to proof-read my response at the moment but that should be a coherent enough response and how I personally would handle it.
Eld
Not knowing what you are trying to pull off and your experience level, my advice is to:
- Not to pretend like it worked but don’t dwell on the results either.
- If you have talent with divination, do a reading to see if you can find out why you haven’t seen the results you expected. Remember the other side is just as complex and complicated as this side. You aren’t the only will out there so there are tons of reasons why something hasn’t worked yet.
- (probably) don’t switch to another system. A lot of times newer practitioners think something failed and auto switch to a different tradition that they have even less experience with. And don’t achieve anything except for a string of one off failures thru every magical system known to mankind until they just give up. Don’t know if this applies to you but I’ll just throw it out there - food for thought.
- If the result is important to you then: using the same spell/ritual as before, let yourself get pissed that it hasn’t given you the results you wanted. Double down and with that righteous fury do it again just bigger and more elaborate than before. Force the results through. Don’t except any other outcome.
No time to proof-read my response at the moment but that should be a coherent enough response and how I personally would handle it.
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If a ritual fails, I treat it like any failed operation: I review it.Either the timing was wrong, the intent was poorly defined, or the force involved had no interest in the request…
Pretending it worked when it didn’t is just self-deception.
Magic isn’t theatre. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Even failure is still useful. It teaches you something
Pretending it worked when it didn’t is just self-deception.
Magic isn’t theatre. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
Even failure is still useful. It teaches you something
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That is why it is so important to record everything, that way if it fails you can go back to your notes and try to figure out what did not work. But failure is part of the learning experience, many times you can consider something a failure and it gives results much later than requested.
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If a ritual seems to have failed, the first thing is not to pretend that it worked. Magical practice has never required self-deception. If the result you intended did not appear, it is reasonable to acknowledge that.
At the same time, ritual has never functioned like a machine where you press a button and obtain a guaranteed result. Sometimes the effect is indirect, delayed, or appears in a form different from what was imagined. Sometimes nothing happens at all. Both possibilities exist.
Traditionally the attitude is simple: perform the ritual carefully, release the expectation, observe what unfolds. If the intended result does not manifest, reflect on the operation — the clarity of the intention, the symbolism, the timing, your own state of mind.
Then you decide whether to try again, adjust the approach, or abandon that line of action altogether.
In other words, a ritual that does not produce the expected result is not something to deny. It is feedback.
At the same time, ritual has never functioned like a machine where you press a button and obtain a guaranteed result. Sometimes the effect is indirect, delayed, or appears in a form different from what was imagined. Sometimes nothing happens at all. Both possibilities exist.
Traditionally the attitude is simple: perform the ritual carefully, release the expectation, observe what unfolds. If the intended result does not manifest, reflect on the operation — the clarity of the intention, the symbolism, the timing, your own state of mind.
Then you decide whether to try again, adjust the approach, or abandon that line of action altogether.
In other words, a ritual that does not produce the expected result is not something to deny. It is feedback.