[Help] How to treat depression and other related disorders through the practices

[DoctorBij]

If anyone here knows anything occult related that could help me to treat my depression, that I have been trying to for months with psychiatrist and psychologist and doesn't seen to be working, I would really appreciate.

 

[Faww]

Hello, I'm a psychologist and occult practicioner.

First of all, it's naturally danger to associate occult practices with this type of situation. I suggest that before thinking about that you take a profound look at your life and ask yourself: What's the reason for this depression? How much my lifestyle contributes to it? Do I exercise enough? Is my diet correct? Am I in touch with things that I feel that have meaning? Is the depression the root problem or just a symptom? Have your psychiatrist or psychologist tried a deeper analysis through psychodiagnostics?

If you don't have those answers, I would try to have them before doing any deep work beyond banishing and meditation, because therapy and medication will not work if your life doesn't change with it and the same can be said about the occult. After having a deeper understanding about what you're dealing with, then, maybe you could engage in practices that can help you overcome this situation.

Stay safe!

 

[Morell]

Depression is a symptom, not a disease.

So finding source of disease is the key to real healing in any case. Depression itself is symptom that can be telling about variety of problems. It can be biochemistry, like even intolerance to gluten. Some pills can also cause depression.
It could be bad lifestyle, like weak body, a lot of fat, disappointment with life... disappointing job, etc. etc.

However if you want to use occult practices to fight depression, use them for searching for the true cause of your problem. That is aim for finding real solution.

 

[Amadeus]

Back in the day when I began messing around with the practices, one thing I wanted to achieve was to feel better, improve the state, release the brain chemistry. I also remember depression, a lot of it.

I'd really recommend to do deep mantra meditations, long focused sessions. This leads to altered states, you'll clear the mind, thoughts disappear and change. Once you start getting some dopamine or whatever to get released you'll feel much different.

There can be peaceful ecstatic states, feeling calm, happy and joyous.

Maybe at first it will take a while to get it going, hard to predict how it's going to go but it's well worth it. Some people get it going quite fast, next levels will unlock over time. I don't have the links saved but there are some excellent reports on the benefits of such practices.

You'd have to figure out the right core mantras for it, pick a path, sufi/hindu/monastic, maybe something Tibetan, maybe something different.

 

[Axis]

Depression sits in those backside brain areas that didn't get the memo that you are not a child in danger anymore. The brain areas that understand language have no access to those areas. Talk therapy is frying an egg with a catapult.

Depression is when parts of your brain "depress" dopamine and adrenaline. Those brain regions do this on purpose. No "reflecting" about them will make them stop doing it. You can't talk yourself out of a depression.

To me, the power of occult practices is in what it does with attention and awareness. You can use your attention and awareness to send and receive energy. Some mediums call this "dialing into a signal". It's a form of deep concentration without consciously thinking. It is not "thinking really hard about my childhood". It is "thinking in a state of non-being", which makes these "non-thoughts".

The right occult pracice for me would be to practice what I call "bullet time". It comes in two parts.

1) learn to "slow down time" in the exact moment you sense that you default to thoughts like "nothing makes sense", or "I'm so tired", or "I feel far removed from everything", or "nobody gets me", or whatever words your frontal lobe invents to talk about the sensation of adrenalin and dopamin suddeny being lowerd drastically. You will probably have unlearned to have attention in that moment and also the quick loss of those transmitters sucks the life energy out of you. But this is trainable. Some tie a ribbon around their wrist, or wear a ring as a mnemonic to remember to not space away in that moment.

2) then to slow time again, but in remembering what happened immediately before you experienced that loss of transmitters. Usually it is also something that you have not seen, felt, heard, but that your unconscious reacted to, by immediatelly putting your system to sleep. This is a childhood reflex. Something related to what you just experienced "reminds" your brain of that time back then, and as a precaution for you to not having to feel the shame you felt back then, it immediatelly makes you stop doing anything with the only means it has: powering down your motivation center. The idea is to just look at or listen to what happened, without thinking words. Just reexperiencing it, but consciously this time. Someone said or did something that seems harmless or meaningless or normal, but that was enough for your system to immediately shut down. What was that. A word? A person plus particular words? A particular dynmaic? A way you were treated?

It can't immediately power back up again an hour later, because it wants to make sure that you are out of danger by effectively making you a vegetable as long as necessary. The idea is that you don't show any motivation for anything. Doing that as a child would have triggered a particular person back then to shame you. Your system is basically highjacking your biology in order to keep you safe from that toxic person who back then was your survival line. While not getting that that person is now gone. It takes its cues from "similar" things in your environment. The brains main focus is always to keep us safe. Not to be accurate with reality.

By learning to slow down time and learning to just be aware and "present", you teach your system that childhood is over and that you are not a child in danger anymore and that those old brain areas don't have to highjack your biology and immobilize you anymore to keep you out of harm. Depression is a solution to a problem. The question is, what problem does it solve. I don't think psychiatrists are willing to accept this simple 1+1=2 survival logic. And also, if you were told this, they would lose a steady client.

So this is kind if like a curse that could become a blessing. If you manage to develop your "awareness muscle" to notice what happens in those split seconds within you, then this is the "gateway ability" to most other occult abilities. Because this is not a "the frontal lobe recognizes, sorts and verbalizes something", but as in "your whole system is aware and present". With this power of awareness, you can then start to understand, see and read energy signatures. The next step would then be to be able to direct them where you want. I am a Tarot reader. I don't do the directing through occult practices. I do everything up to this point, but what I can see is that anyone doing occult work who is not able to consciously direct their awareness this way will have a hard time doing anything that actually "does" something in other people. Sometimes I direct my attention for fun to a stranger and make that person come and say a few words to me. But to me that is manipulation. I only do this rarely, to see if it still works. So it starts with learning to direct attention towards yourself, and once you master that, then you can use this ability of directed energy onto others as well. I don't think it works the other way around. You can't direct others and not yourself. You will not know what you are doing. And in your case, you can use the learning of this ability to deconstruct your old depression "solution" brain pattern. . I'd say if you managed to do that, your ability is solid and can then also be used for occult practices.

I'm guessing you might have wanted a "quick fix". Something you can do that brings that awareness to you, without you having to do this hard work over several months. It might exist but I haven't seen it. To me, the muscle you would need to deconstruct your depression automation is not developed. That doesn't happen through talk therapy, but through very practical down-to-earth, directed attention and awareness energy work. It will feel like going through the alchemic steps of "standing in fire", "dissolving" "purifying" etc. This is what it feels like Not very pleasant. I don't know any other way, but this way. It works.

 

[DoctorBij]

Hello, I'm a psychologist and occult practicioner.

First of all, it's naturally danger to associate occult practices with this type of situation. I suggest that before thinking about that you take a profound look at your life and ask yourself: What's the reason for this depression? How much my lifestyle contributes to it? Do I exercise enough? Is my diet correct? Am I in touch with things that I feel that have meaning? Is the depression the root problem or just a symptom? Have your psychiatrist or psychologist tried a deeper analysis through psychodiagnostics?

If you don't have those answers, I would try to have them before doing any deep work beyond banishing and meditation, because therapy and medication will not work if your life doesn't change with it and the same can be said about the occult. After having a deeper understanding about what you're dealing with, then, maybe you could engage in practices that can help you overcome this situation.

Stay safe!

Thank you so much.

My psychologist also in a lot of sessions indirectly asks about what could be the reason of the symptom, as Morell said, but I keep thinking of it and can't find the real reason; could be because I lost my dad really early, and have been missing him till this day, or maybe my way of life, as I don't really exercise much or eat well.

I started a new routine now in which I go on a walk almost everyday, practice yoga, work on my chakras, meditate, all of this trying to suppress my depression - although I am afraid that I could be stopping from doing this routine soon because of the disorder, as this happened a lot of times to me, where I just stop doing things that I like, as reading books or absorb knowledge.

Depression is a symptom, not a disease.

So finding source of disease is the key to real healing in any case. Depression itself is symptom that can be telling about variety of problems. It can be biochemistry, like even intolerance to gluten. Some pills can also cause depression.
It could be bad lifestyle, like weak body, a lot of fat, disappointment with life... disappointing job, etc. etc.

However if you want to use occult practices to fight depression, use them for searching for the true cause of your problem. That is aim for finding real solution.

I will stop the next month on taking the medication as I'm having some problems with it, like loss of libido. I have disappointment in life for sure and bad lifestyle (that I'm working on right now). After my dad died in 2016, as I said before, my life has been really rough, like no friends, never had a job and I'm 19, eating bad, poor communication with family, my mom also has hereditary depression that kicked in after his death.

Hopefully my life changes from now on. Thank you for your answer too.

 

[Faww]

Thank you so much.

My psychologist also in a lot of sessions indirectly asks about what could be the reason of the symptom, as Morell said, but I keep thinking of it and can't find the real reason; could be because I lost my dad really early, and have been missing him till this day, or maybe my way of life, as I don't really exercise much or eat well.

I started a new routine now in which I go on a walk almost everyday, practice yoga, work on my chakras, meditate, all of this trying to suppress my depression - although I am afraid that I could be stopping from doing this routine soon because of the disorder, as this happened a lot of times to me, where I just stop doing things that I like, as reading books or absorb knowledge.



I will stop the next month on taking the medication as I'm having some problems with it, like loss of libido. I have disappointment in life for sure and bad lifestyle (that I'm working on right now). After my dad died in 2016, as I said before, my life has been really rough, like no friends, never had a job and I'm 19, eating bad, poor communication with family, my mom also has hereditary depression that kicked in after his death.

Hopefully my life changes from now on. Thank you for your answer too.

You're welcome.

By what you describe, I would recommend that you really should talk with your therapist about the process of mourning of your father and have a deeper look on what you find meaningful for your life (dreams, objectives, community work etc) and start act in the world towards those things as best as you can. Depression can present itself for being stuck in the past and not being able to continue following your life's course. You should also talk about psychodiagnostics, this is a great tool to evaluate depression, anxiety and other elements that might be showing up behind your perception.

It's also normal to experience loss of libido when doing a treatment with antidepressants. Check with your psychiatrist to change the medication or update the dosage.

As far as occult practice goes, I think you received great recommendations here overall.

 

[Ohana]

I might recommend turmeric to add to your diet. There's some studies done (the studies are debated) that tumeric can help with depression. If not its still something healthy to add.

My mom made noodles with turmeric a lot and they are an amazing combo when pair together. Specifically angel hair noodles are good.

but I keep thinking of it and can't find the real reason; could be because I lost my dad really early, and have been missing him till this day, or maybe my way of life, as I don't really exercise much or eat well.

I can kind of relate with losing your dad early though mine left instead of dying. Its painful. One way that helps me is either accepting the emotion and letting it sit with me for a while non-judgementally.

Or channeling the emotional energy to do something artistic like write, draw, or even move like working out or dancing.

Looking up herbs, spices, or foods that have been shown to help depression can also help. So I might recommend if your looking for occult solutions to look those up like in this section for herbalism. Just make sure your not allergic or if it will interfere with anything your currently taking for depression.

Those are my recommendations atleast. Hope those help!

 

[DoctorBij]

Thank you all for these answers. Didn't expect so many things to be shared with me. Optimistically saying, I think I'm finally prepared to leave this state of mind I have been trying to get through for so many years. Wish me luck!

 

[whimsicalwarlock]

If anyone here knows anything occult related that could help me to treat my depression, that I have been trying to for months with psychiatrist and psychologist and doesn't seen to be working, I would really appreciate.

Trigger warnings, just in case anyone, including you, is sensitive around some heavy psychological stuff.
I saw a LOT of really good points being made in this comment section. A somebody who has nearly committed suicide multiple times and has been through multiple sessions of anti-depressants, there were a few main points for me that I was having to go through to get better.

This may not be specifically relatable to you but perhaps i can offer some insight.
My main issue was the shame I internalized as a child in order to survive the abuse and neglect my parents were putting me through. I had to accept the belief that what I was going through was my fault because as a very young child the reality that I wasn't actually safe and that my own parents were not going to keep me safe and were harming me and neglecting me was such a terrifying fact for my child mind to accept. Since I was too young and vulnerable to accept that I had to internalize the idea that I was a bad shameful kid and that I deserved to feel this way and be treated this way. This belief/shame, though very harmful and damaging, helped me survive because it allowed me to still see my parents as people who were trying to protect me because that alternative was too terrifying for me. I came to this realization through the use of psychedelics and it was quite a harrowing experience but I'm glad I finally realized this because it helped me move forward.

Another thing that was a big obstacle for me was my constant need to "figure myself out" or to "figure out" why I was abused. This was a mental trap. I didn't realize it but I kept trying to look for the logic in "why" i was abused. I kept looking for the "reason" but it trapped me in a loop of rumination because truthfully, there was no reason, and I think that is a big factor that keeps a lot of people stuck; trying to look for the "reason" or the "justification". The way that I got myself out of this was to just understand that it just happened to me. It was done to me and it wasn't my fault at all. There was no reason, there was no justification, and the fact that I was abused didn't mean anything about me at all. I was just abused. It didn't mean I deserved it, it didn't mean I was bad, It didn't mean i was shameful or that there was any reason for it at all. This was a tough one for me but in the end I did finally get through it.

Another thing I noticed in my experience going through my depression was that I was always "fighting" it. I can't speak for everyone obviously but I kept trying to "think" my way through my feelings, I kept trying to use my mind to get through, but the problem with that was that the depression, the trauma, the abuse was stored in my body as tension and beliefs. My therapist actually mentioned this to my and he said that traditional talk therapy doesn't seem to work with me because though I was very aware of my feelings and my emotions, I wasn't actually feeling my feelings and emotions. I had gotten so used to intellectualizing my feelings as a coping mechanism that I sort of detached my feelings and emotions from my physical body but the truth is, emotions and feelings aren't just a mental phenomenon, they are somatic, physical experiences as well. When I realized this, I actually started to allow myself to cry, be angry, sad, grieve etc. It was quite an intense experience but it as liberating in a way that you would not believe. I finally started to honor my emotions and myself as someone who deserved to take up space and as someone who deserved to be heard and as someone who wasn't shameful or bad or wrong.

Every single time we suppress an emotion, it doesn't go away, it gets "saved" in the body, and this continuous "saving" and "storing" of emotions and feelings can build up and when they are allowed to build up enough, they will create things like anxiety and depression.

I hope any of this was of some help to you. If you have any questions let me know and I'll do my best to help.
Remember, The sun is always shining, even at night.

 

[DoctorBij]

I really appreciate you for sharing your history with me. I reasonate with a lot of it. I think that my depression didn't happen because of someone's "fault", it just happened and is from time to time distancing from me, even though this is a hard process and I'm trying to figure what really is gonna help me with that, if it's working on my mental health - as meditation and other aspects - realizing what could be the reason, like what my therapist and Morell said; or getting new relationships, working on my physical body and trying to experience new things (as I feel like my life is just passing by and I'm not engaging on anything that comes to me).

The feeling too that I need to figure myself out, like who I am and why I'm here, what I really want to do with my life, is just constantly in my mind and it's annoys the fuck out of me. I have never felt like I knew myself, what are my objectives, trying to understand what I was going to attend in college, and other things was a really difficult process for me and still is. Hopefully I solve this puzzle, as it feels like something is missing.

The third part on your message is the one that resonates with me the most. My whole life I felt like I couldn't feel the emotions that others felt. I remember the day when my dad died and pratically all the members of my family where at my home, my auntie came and said to me "Your dad has died". She was crying and really trying to confort me, but the thing is I didn't cry or anything, I just stood there looking at her and nothing was passing through my mind, just an infinite void and no thoughts. I don't know if it's related to the fact that I knew that he was dead, because it was the first time I had an astral projection in which happened in the last night of the incident (I got into like a third-person point of view and was seeing that he crashed his car into a bus), so I'm not sure. But this, the fact that I don't feel passion so well, has happened a lot and I'm trying to figure out what could be the reason or why this happens. Maybe this would implicate on my depression, but would also mean that I need to know the cause of the depression. I wouldn't say I have an abuse stored in me, as you said, as I don't feel like I was abused, but there is something else, I'm sure about that.

Sorry if this was hard to understand, it's really difficult for me to express what I feel by just speaking or also writing, so hopefully this was enough. After all that you transmitted to me, I felt like I needed to get a response for you, so, thank you so much for sharing too.

 

[whimsicalwarlock]

I really appreciate sharing your history with me. I resonate with a lot of it. I think that my depression didn't happen because of someone's "fault", it just happened and is from time to time distancing from me, even though this is a hard process and I'm trying to figure what really is gonna help me with that, if it's working on my mental health - as meditation and other aspects - realizing what could be the reason, like what my therapist and Morell said; or getting new relationships, working on my physical body and trying to experience new things (as I feel like my life is just passing by and I'm not engaging on anything that comes to me).

The feeling too that I need to figure myself out, like who I am and why I'm here, what I really want to do with my life, is just constantly in my mind and it's annoys the fuck out of me. I have never felt like I knew myself, what are my objectives, trying to understand what I was going to attend in college, and other things was a really difficult process for me and still is. Hopefully I solve this puzzle, as it feels like something is missing.

The third part on your message is the one that resonates with me the most. My whole life I felt like I couldn't feel the emotions that others felt. I remember the day when my dad died and pratically all the members of my family where at my home, my auntie came and said to me "Your dad has died". She was crying and really trying to confort me, but the thing is I didn't cry or anything, I just stood there looking at her and nothing was passing through my mind, just an infinite void and no thoughts. I don't know if it's related to the fact that I knew that he was dead, because it was the first time I had an astral projection in which happened in the last night of the incident (I got into like a third-person point of view and was seeing that he crashed his car into a bus), so I'm not sure. But this, the fact that I don't feel passion so well, has happened a lot and I'm trying to figure out what could be the reason or why this happens. Maybe this would implicate on my depression, but would also mean that I need to know the cause of the depression. I wouldn't say I have an abuse stored in me, as you said, as I don't feel like I was abused, but there is something else, I'm sure about that.

Sorry if this was hard to understand, it's really difficult for me to express what I feel by just speaking or also writing, so hopefully this was enough. After all that you transmitted to me, I felt like I needed to get a response for you, so, thank you so much for sharing too.

I totally get what you were saying. Feeling disconnected from yourself. it seems like you were so shocked and as a result it kind of seems like you disconnected as a way to protect yourself. So in a way, in my uneducated unprofessional opinion, it seems like you fragmented yourself to save yourself from the grief; that would explain the feeling of being disconnected from your life in general. That sounds a lot like dissociation, especially when you describe having an astral experience that allowed you to "see" the event. Its almost as if you're intellectualizing it as a separate experience entirely that you're watching "someone else" go through. Being such a young age, it would make sense for you to detach because that's a profound grief for someone to experience.

When you say you constantly ask yourself who are you also really points to the idea that getting back in touch with yourself is the answer here, but I will warn you, from personal experience, though it is rewarding, it can also be painful. It means feeling all the pain of who you are and what you've been through. Being human hurts, being human is wonderful and awful all at once and it can be very overwhelming. Also, when it comes to "figuring yourself out" one thing that helped me was taking the "worldly" expectations off of me helped a lot. Not thinking about what school i should go to, what i wanted to do, what i should do, what others expect me to do, etc. that all adds layers off false identities and those can actually get in the way of discovering who you are. I think it was Alan watts that said, "In order to find out who you are, you first have to stop being who you think you ought to be" A weird helpful thing i noticed about that mental trap is, the whole point to life isn't necessarily to be ANYTHING it seemed like a lot of the pressure was sort of lifted off of me once i understood that the whole point to life is to just BE. You're just here. Plain and simple as that. We load ourselves up with all of these expectations and standards and meanings that we end up clouding our entire experience with all this gunk and crap and sometimes we just have to let go and be what we are, even if we don't necessarily know WHO we are, and just accept ourselves as we are, and once we do that, the rest starts to flow in, the truth, the authenticity, the emotions, the goals, the pursuit of excitement and joy and curiosity. its weird and its almost never a certain path, almost every single step feels like a stumbling block, but i've learned that when you stumble around, you do eventually start finding your way.

I really hope this helps. You seem like a decent person who's really trying to figure things out and I'm rooting for you because I really see myself in you when you talk about what its like to try and navigate all this, this messy shitty amazing disorienting wonderful thing called life.

 

[CowboyYggdrasil]

While I am skeptical that the esoteric/occult should be used as a primary line of treatment for mental illness (and thankfully, it seems you ARE seeking professional treatment), I am reminded of one of the first books I started my practice with: The Little Work by Durgadas Allon Duriel.
The book is a nice mix that gives some helpful tips on using magic as a form of CBT.
As others have said, try and figure out what is causing your depression. This will likely be complex, because you, as a human being, are infinitely complex. Part of the reason might be neurochemical (this is what your psych is for), some might be from not having a full grasp on your identity (what your psychologist is for), and some parts might be behavioral/environmental (which magic likely CAN help with).
I would suggest continuing to work with your health care/support network as the primary line of defense, but magic can help you stick to the positive changes you want to see in your life.

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Also, as an aside, just as one human being to another: just because an issue is complex doesn’t mean you can’t make progress. Progress is not linear and you will likely experience ups and downs. I am proud of you for seeking help. Best wishes.