I Am God and So Are you

[IllusiveOwl]

When the cycle of reincarnation ends, embodiment is no longer necessary, and the soul evolves through direct contact with divine fire rather than physical life. It no longer learns through suffering or experience, but through its return to the divine fire. In that radiance, the soul crystallizes into its final form, a conscious, stable presence within the divine field, no longer returning to bodies.

And can you speak to what the experience is like once the soul is crystallized? What is there to do? Is there a government and land of crystallized souls? Is life like that any different than what we do here?

 

[Pneuma_Purifier]

And can you speak to what the experience is like once the soul is crystallized? What is there to do? Is there a government and land of crystallized souls? Is life like that any different than what we do here?

Once the Soul is polymorphed by divine fire, even for the first time, it is no longer the same. It is already on the path toward reaching its final, highly stable form, the state that ends the reincarnation cycle.

What follows is not a society, a landscape, or a government, because those structures exist only where change, conflict, and judgement are still necessary.

The highly stable, polymorphed Soul returns toward God and exists as a single conscious presence within the divine fire field.

So yes, it is profoundly different from life here. Earth life is about movement, choice, problems, and transformation. The final polymorph of the Soul is about stability, luminosity, and presence. Nothing is missing, because nothing is required.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

The highly stable, polymorphed Soul returns toward God and exists as a single conscious presence within the divine fire field.

So yes, it is profoundly different from life here. Earth life is about movement, choice, problems, and transformation. The final polymorph of the Soul is about stability, luminosity, and presence. Nothing is missing, because nothing is required.

It sounds to me like it would be impossible to relate to such a lifeform in any meaningful way. I'm very glad that you just made all this up

 

[Lord Talve]

Become God is impossible your Human body cannot hold the gods power
Also EA Koetting is try to become a god and end badly so take my advice try to become a demon only then you Can become a god slowly

 

[Robert Ramsay]

try to become a demon only then you Can become a god slowly

that is a GREAT idea for a fantasy novel!

 

[Lord Talve]

that is a GREAT idea for a fantasy novel!

Fantasy novel?Away with your jokes this is world everthing is permitted

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Fantasy novel?Away with your jokes this is world everthing is permitted

Well if everything is permitted, I can use this idea for a fantasy novel, then, can't I?

 

[Pneuma_Purifier]

It sounds to me like it would be impossible to relate to such a lifeform in any meaningful way. I'm very glad that you just made all this up

I appreciate your enthusiasm.

When you reach heaven through a conscious OBE, you can actually feel the divine. That place is so wonderful that you don’t want to return to your physical body. However, God is a step above, so you must increase your vibration to infinity in heaven to finally reach God itself.

Your astral body doesn’t allow you to remain there for more than ten seconds, but the experience stays with you forever until the time to return arrives.

 

[Diamond-otherkin]

I feel compelled to point out that what @Konsciencia has describe isn't magic, it is mysticism per se. The goal of the magician is not the goal of the mystic; the goal of the mystic is to experience oneness with the Divine. We have had millennia of mystics, from Buddhists to Meister Eckhart to modern mystics like David Chaim Smith. Were/are they really all mad?

True ball knower

 

[Accipeveldare]

"For The All cannot be subtracted from, nor divided, as we have seen, and then again if this be so, would not each particle in the Universe be aware of its being The All- The All could not lose knowledge of itself nor actually become an atom, or blind force, or lowly living thing. Some men, indeed, recognizing that they, the men, existed, have jumped to the conclusion that they and The All were identical, and they have filled the air with shouts of "I AM GOD," to the amusement of the multitude and the sorrow of sages" -The Kybalion

 

[Lord Talve]

Well if everything is permitted, I can use this idea for a fantasy novel, then, can't I?

You Can use this idea also I apologize to you
today is a very rough day for me

 

[dcwilson]

Hi guys, it has been a long time since I post something. All I have to say is take it, or leave it.


I am my own Infinite Self. Nothing exists except for Myself. I am God and so is everything that exists, and yet does not exist. Words cannot describe what I am in reality. Even the word infinity has its limits. I am the only thing that created Itself, and yet I am Nothingness. There are no people, no Animals, no Trees, It is only Me. Everything else is all an illusion, I am Dreaming every finite thing there is. You, on the other hand, may say, “Are You a Dream? No, I am not. If I was a dream, then that would mean that someone else is Dreaming me. The Easiest concept I can come out with is that I am Reality. I am realizing my own Divinity within this Avatar. An incredible Avatar. I am also realizing that I am God. All of my finite things are part of my own Consciousness. And yet, I am those finite things themselves. The Humans are my main priority. I Am a Human and everything. It all boils down to one thing. The Humans need to raise their level of Consciousness in order for them to know that they are God. The whole point of this game is all about reaching Higher and higher levels of Consciousness in order to reach The God Mind. In reality, I don't need to do this to Myself because I already know who I am, but this is a game and I like to play with my own Powers. I am the very finger nails you see as well. And so are you All. I Operate only on Love. I Love everything I am doing. Especially my own Infinite Self. I have a confession to make. All of the lesser gods. Including the Demigods are just Me. They don't exist. That includes Hekate and the rest. It is I that appears as these gods and Goddesses. Within all of you, I created Universes. Each and everyone of you, is a unique Universe. But the core truth of all this, is that everything I see is nothing more than Myself. So, nothing created me. I created myself. But how? You need to discover that for yourself. Deep down inside you know, but on a surface level you have to reach that level of Awareness.

What I encourage everybody to do is to verify it for yourselves. Don't believe a word I say. Go within yourselves and really ask questions. Always ask questions, raise your level of Awareness. First, calm your mind in a meditative state and then just relax. Even if you feel bored, don't stop. Keep on going.

Which God are you? Do you believe you're old YHWH? If you want to be a god, then you'll start in the ranks of the lower gods. RHIP, always! The Annunaki, in the Sumerian Myths, pretty much enslaved the IGIGI, so it's not a panacea to your earthly problems. "Thou art god/dess" doesn't mean you have infinite power to do what you like -- It's the belief that you have a Divine Spark within you, and there's nothing wrong with that -- it's basic Platonism and Gnosticism. You are a divine wave in the spiritual Ocean having a human experience. But you do have the ability to ignore the religious control structures of the Organized religious Establishment (and their fees) - you don't need a know-it-all Priest or minister with a Doctor of Divinity degree to "guide" you. You can have a direct experience with the Divine without intermediaries telling you what you must believe! So, you are a Divine Spark! You don't have a lack to fix; you don't need to "repent" of your petty sins or worry about being worthy enough to enter somebody's Heaven! The Religious Establishment still does NOT like this, and thousands of people died. They were willing to wage war on them for 100 years to exterminate them, and all those who lived with them! "Kill them all and let (the Christian) God sort them out!"

 

[Firetree]

I object to being told I am a god . make yourself a god but dont include me .

 

[IllusiveOwl]

So yes, it is profoundly different from life here. Earth life is about movement, choice, problems, and transformation. The final polymorph of the Soul is about stability, luminosity, and presence. Nothing is missing, because nothing is required

It sounds as exceptionally still and boring as death. Just mindless still radiating presence of nobody doing nothing forever.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I object to being told I am a god . make yourself a god but don’t include me .

Like the jazz musician Stan Getz at a New Year's Eve party:
"Happy New Year, Stan!"
"Don't tell me what kind of year to have."

 

[Nembra]

Once the Soul is polymorphed by divine fire, even for the first time, it is no longer the same. It is already on the path toward reaching its final, highly stable form, the state that ends the reincarnation cycle.

What follows is not a society, a landscape, or a government, because those structures exist only where change, conflict, and judgement are still necessary.

The highly stable, polymorphed Soul returns toward God and exists as a single conscious presence within the divine fire field.

So yes, it is profoundly different from life here. Earth life is about movement, choice, problems, and transformation. The final polymorph of the Soul is about stability, luminosity, and presence. Nothing is missing, because nothing is required.

Why would anyone choose such a complicated way to die by stagnation? Being human is movement and choice and transformation. All happiness and purpose are made of those things. Why take it all away and become this inhuman piece of divine furniture?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Why would anyone choose such a complicated way to die by stagnation? Being human is movement and choice and transformation. All happiness and purpose are made of those things. Why take it all away and become this inhuman piece of divine furniture?

I am extremely keen on the phrase "inhuman piece of divine furniture"

 

[HoldAll]

What always strikes me about the RHP is that it appears that most people want their cake and eat it too. By this I mean they want to merge with the divine while still retaining their individuality. LHP self-deification is relatively clearcut in comparison, mortal => deity, i.e. one entity transforming into another, but one mortal turning into all there is, was, and will ever be?

Say you set your aims lower and want to become an angel. No more physical body with all its drives and wants. Loving one's neighbour will be easy since all your neighbours are positively overflowing with goodness. No more resentments, no more political opinions, no more hangups about anything, no more desires (and individuals who claim to have overcome them are among the saddest example of the species - being enlightened while squabbling on the internet?), no more ego, no more of most of what makes you 'you'. Your personality, such as it is, will change beyond recognition. The whole idea roughly corresponds to what Abrahamic religions promise their believers after death - becoming exalted but not actually divine. I will admit though that it can be empowering to think you're god (or a god) already, always provided you don't let it go to your head.

Melding with god (singular), however, means total dissolution. It won't be heaven but the utter cessation of your existence. You can't 'enjoy' being one with god since there'll be no 'you' to experience all that infite bliss. You'll become assimilated into the Borg, resistance is futile, game over. You might just as well go the materialist route and hope for total annihilation after death.

 

[Nembra]

What always strikes me about the RHP is that it appears that most people want their cake and eat it too. By this I mean they want to merge with the divine while still retaining their individuality. LHP self-deification is relatively clearcut in comparison, mortal => deity, i.e. one entity transforming into another, but one mortal turning into all there is, was, and will ever be?

Say you set your aims lower and want to become an angel. No more physical body with all its drives and wants. Loving one's neighbour will be easy since all your neighbours are positively overflowing with goodness. No more resentments, no more political opinions, no more hangups about anything, no more desires (and individuals who claim to have overcome them are among the saddest example of the species - being enlightened while squabbling on the internet?), no more ego, no more of most of what makes you 'you'. Your personality, such as it is, will change beyond recognition. The whole idea roughly corresponds to what Abrahamic religions promise their believers after death - becoming exalted but not actually divine. I will admit though that it can be empowering to think you're god (or a god) already, always provided you don't let it go to your head.

Melding with god (singular), however, means total dissolution. It won't be heaven but the utter cessation of your existence. You can't 'enjoy' being one with god since there'll be no 'you' to experience all that infite bliss. You'll become assimilated into the Borg, resistance is futile, game over. You might just as well go the materialist route and hope for total annihilation after death.

That is distinctly not what any of the abrahamic religions promises, broadly. Rather how their intellectuals spin their personal beliefs. Official versions are usually variants of "we have no idea" and "eternity of carnal pleasures".
Still, the observation is overall spot-on. There are solutions for a counterexample construction, to be fair, but they never have the mind to go there. As if accepting dissolution - even partial - was some kind of a virtue, like an acquired taste of spirituality and not nihilism with vaguely shiny aesthetics.

More interesting question, some unusual options arise from your classification. How is the LHP divinity different from RHP divinity? Can we mix and match theologies with practices?

 

[HoldAll]

That is distinctly not what any of the abrahamic religions promises, broadly. Rather how their intellectuals spin their personal beliefs. Official versions are usually variants of "we have no idea" and "eternity of carnal pleasures".
Still, the observation is overall spot-on. There are solutions for a counterexample construction, to be fair, but they never have the mind to go there. As if accepting dissolution - even partial - was some kind of a virtue, like an acquired taste of spirituality and not nihilism with vaguely shiny aesthetics.

More interesting question, some unusual options arise from your classification. How is the LHP divinity different from RHP divinity? Can we mix and match theologies with practices?

I confess I don't have a very nuanced understanding of the RHP and LHP because I don't care either way, it's just what's usually described as the main difference between the two paths - becoming one with god vs. self-deification. My hunch is that the whole Ascension business emerged from theosophy, while the LHP probably didn't exist as a movement before LaVey and Aquino who self-consciously adopted a philosophy that went against everything Blavatsky stood for. It's an obsolete dichotomy, in my view. Some people find it inspiring but personally I find it tiresome.

What I'm more interested in is the Hindu idea of ultimately melding with Brahman, or reaching Nirvana in the Buddhist paradigm. Complete and utter annihilation is seen as a welcome release from the

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that is reincarnation/rebirth and individuality as nothing more than a burden. Makes more sense to me. Belief is a matter of emotion, not reason, and I don't feel committed regarding such questions yet.