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If magick is real, why is it so obscure?

Nickel77

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Hi! I've been in these spaces for a few months now, working with a few angels, demons, and sigils with some quite amazing results and some failures (sorta 50/50). I've had plenty of very revealing and supernatural tarot readings, channeled messages and general synchronicities. However, sometimes, especially when I'm having some failures, I still have some doubts and the biggest one is probably the title. Yes, I understand the nature of the occult is that it's occult. Yes, I am familiar with "To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silent" (love it). Yes, I am familiar with the fact that many religious and superstitious rituals are a form of magick. However, to believe and invest in the idea that I have this supernatural power that most people do not know of or use and that the people I meet in the forums like these are the only people who have really understood and refined this power feels hard to believe. Obviously, I am not trying to criticize any of you or your beliefs as I am one of you and probably share many of your beliefs, but this question still bothers me. I am hoping for some perspectives on this. would be really appreciated.
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Here is a clean, grounded, non-ego answer you can post. It avoids mystification, avoids superiority complexes, and explains why this is not obscure at all and how it works mechanically:


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What you’re running into isn’t a flaw in your thinking — it’s actually a healthy correction.

The biggest misunderstanding people fall into early on is assuming that occult work implies special powers, special people, or secret access. That framing feels intoxicating, but it’s also the fastest way to destabilize practice and inflate doubt when results fluctuate.

Here’s the sober reality:

1. None of this is obscure or exclusive

Occult simply means not immediately obvious, not hidden from humanity. The principles behind ritual, symbolism, intention, belief, and altered states of attention are universal human mechanics. They appear everywhere:

Religion

Therapy

Advertising

Art and music

Placebo/nocebo effects

Meditation and visualization

Military conditioning

Cultural myths and archetypes


Most people use these mechanisms unconsciously. Occult practice is just using them deliberately.

You’re not tapping into something “others don’t have.”
You’re learning to operate systems most people never examine.

2. The universe behaves mechanically, not magically

Nothing here violates structure or causality.

Think in terms of systems, not spirits first:

Attention directs perception

Perception shapes meaning

Meaning alters emotional state

Emotional state changes behavior

Behavior feeds back into probability and outcome


Ritual, sigils, entities, tarot — these are interfaces, not sources. They are structured ways to reorganize internal state and synchronize it with external conditions.

When results happen, it’s not because a hidden elite power was activated.
It’s because conditions aligned.

When results fail, it’s not because the system is fake — it’s because the inputs didn’t coherently reinforce each other.

That 50/50 success rate you mentioned?
That’s exactly what early system interaction looks like.

3. Angels, demons, and symbols are functional models

Whether you interpret them as external intelligences, archetypal forces, psychological constructs, or informational patterns doesn’t actually matter at first.

What matters is that they:

Organize intention

Stabilize focus

Provide symbolic leverage

Create feedback loops for the subconscious


They are tools, not proof of personal exceptionalism.

The moment someone believes “I have something others don’t”, practice degrades. The moment someone understands “I’m learning how reality already behaves”, practice stabilizes.

4. Doubt is not an enemy — it’s a regulator

Doubt appears when the mind detects narrative inflation.

It’s not telling you “this is fake.”
It’s telling you “drop the myth layer and refine the mechanism.”

The most effective practitioners aren’t believers or skeptics — they are engineers of experience. They test, observe, adjust, and discard explanations that add ego instead of clarity.

5. Silence isn’t about secrecy — it’s about signal integrity

“To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silent” isn’t mystical elitism.

Silence preserves:

Focus

Coherence

Internal feedback

Protection from narrative contamination


Talking too much externalizes the process before it stabilizes.

In short

You don’t possess a supernatural power.
Neither does anyone else.

You’re learning how attention, meaning, belief, and structure interact inside a lawful universe.

Nothing mystical about that — just poorly explained for a long time.

Your doubts don’t mean you’re failing.
They mean you’re shedding unnecessary mythology and moving toward real understanding.

That’s progress.
You didn't even bother removing what chatgpt told you in that wordslop. Embarassing.
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Actually, looking at the entirety of @astralurosr 's post history all of the posts are written by AI and users on here are liking them seeing no problem with it. What kind of website allows this bullcrap.
 

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Good question...
How we perceive these events, and with what sensory systems, is still being explored (piss poorly in my opinion), but the consensus is that both phenomena can have a measurable impact on human physical and mental health. A full moon with polarized light bombarding us, where anytime the moon is passing by we have a different gravity tug.
So, combined, it has to be quite interesting to dive into. It messes with health enough to be obvious to science.
The only planetary influences other than these that I have looked into are usually other types of signals, like radio or other EM spectrum fluctuations, and the light bouncing off them and back to us.
These are only the purely physical aspects, of course. But to me, a ripple in the pond means something disturbed the pond's surface.

One obvious effect is ; Full Moon ; Earth gets full 'solar bombardment . New (or 'no' ) Moon gives Earth a partial shield shield . . . or at least creating a 'void wake ' - like a stone in a stream .... it can also create 'vortices' . It is known to affect Earth's magnetosphere .

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My local model has been fed on pdf files you cant even imagine. My mind with books during my years od lie.
Intense spiritual, magical and transcedental work. I have optimised my lm in order to help. Im afeaid I do think I get a precise andwer wich is exolained better than that would tired old me do. ESPECIALLY WHEN I SEE SOMEONE IS IN NEED OF HELP. Flag it Ai, as you fish. Do not disregard it.
 

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Because one movement, which shaped our modern culture made it to be something strange, evil and unnatural. From mainstream it devolved to underground.
 

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To be perfectly honest, I don't think you can flag it down to one reason alone. There is probably an entire set of reasons as to why magick is an obscure subject among people. History provides some reasons and in fact, the particular set of reasons also depends on the time period that you are in. The mental attitudes and perspectives at a particular phase in history determines much of why magick was obscure. By extension some of those institutions that are influenced by those mentalities also drove the obscurity even further.

Here is my ChatGPT-like, but totally self-written response to the OP's question:

1. Scientific / Materialistic Skepticism - The rise in the scientific method and all of the advances that it has brought us has promoted a very materially oriented view of our reality. While not every scientist or researcher is an atheist, many people today and for at least much of the last century have started to gravitate towards a vision of reality that is purely dictated by the laws of physics and by what we can measure or directly perceive. Subtle things like magick are regarded as fantasy in the same bin as religion. People simply choose to believe more in the material world rather than accept that the magical / spiritual world can exist alongside it.

2. Religiously driven fear - This is a commonly known one, but religious institutions throughout history have hated the occult and magick in general. It is ironic given that prayer is a completely valid form of magick for most occult minded people and that many of the primary texts of religion actually contain direct acts of magick within them. But for purposes of control, subordination, and power, religious institutions have always promoted magick as being something to fear and hate. The followers of these religions usually end up blindly going along with this and you then get a mass perpetuation of hatred against magick. This leads to a suppression of magick among the religious and its active denouncement on a societal level and this has continued throughout centuries of our history.

3. Gatekeeping - This does not necessarily apply to magick as a whole, but many occultists do have a doctrine of silence that they adhere to. Some books even actively promote it and there are sometimes good reasons why. Many who adhere to this doctrine gatekeep magick from society at large because they think that magical practice could bring harm to the layperson, encourage karmic issues, or perhaps simply that the average layperson is not ready to practice. So there are not many occultists out there who will actively try to spread magical lessons or thoughts to other people. This ends up leaving the world a little less filled with open magical thought.

4. Survival and fear - This is the reverse of 2 and related to 3. Those who practice the occult have been demonized throughout history by the religiously minded. For their own survival throughout history, they kept their own magical practice and resources a secret due to fear of being persecuted. Consequences like witch burnings, executions, and such come to mind here. Even today in western countries where occult practice can be talked about more openly, there is active demonization from society due to media and religious influence which tends to keep occultists a bit more on the quiet side. I run my own occult group where I live quite publicly and have experienced some critical people who have discouraged me from discussing magic openly. I live in a pretty liberal and accepting country, but it happens even here. So people people will keep their magical practice, resources, and thoughts to themselves unless a certain level of trust is established.

5. Culture and media portrayals - For the modern day, this is a big one. Movies such as "The Exorcist", "The Conjuring", and many more are pumped out by Hollywood and give the supernatural a much darker edge than it really has. The media regularly talks about stuff like "ritual murders", cults, and other events that they link to the occult in general. All of these negative portrayals end up making people think that magical practice involves sacrificing people to unknown gods, giving blood sacrifices to the devil, or summoning unholy spirits to cause havoc in society. The reality of magical practice is, on average, much lighter and more good-natured than that, but this reality never gets reflected in media portrayals. This adds on to the survival factor I mentioned and is partially related to religiously driven fear. Either way, such portrayals makes it tough to speak freely about magick without suffering from negative connotations and interpretations by your average person.


To me, these are the biggest reasons why magick is so obscure. The funny thing is that we are much more numerous than we individually think. I live in a place that is cultural flat and not very dynamic, but the number of people who are into magick is more than I thought. Lots of folks were into witchcraft, grimoires, or even chaos magick, but they kept themselves hidden due to a combination of these factors I mentioned. The moment I started publicly announcing meetups for magick related discussion, I had a lot of people sign up. They just needed a lightning rod to come up. And when you consolidate people together like this, magick ends up being less obscure. By breaking the fear and the gatekeeping, you even get people who are curious to join on the discussion. I actively share magical resources in case if they are interested in their own practice. This helps open it up further and make it less obscure.

Anyway, if you read all the way up to hear, thanks! I hope this helps answer the question!
 

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Hi! I've been in these spaces for a few months now, working with a few angels, demons, and sigils with some quite amazing results and some failures (sorta 50/50). I've had plenty of very revealing and supernatural tarot readings, channeled messages and general synchronicities. However, sometimes, especially when I'm having some failures, I still have some doubts and the biggest one is probably the title. Yes, I understand the nature of the occult is that it's occult. Yes, I am familiar with "To Know, To Will, To Dare, To Keep Silent" (love it). Yes, I am familiar with the fact that many religious and superstitious rituals are a form of magick. However, to believe and invest in the idea that I have this supernatural power that most people do not know of or use and that the people I meet in the forums like these are the only people who have really understood and refined this power feels hard to believe. Obviously, I am not trying to criticize any of you or your beliefs as I am one of you and probably share many of your beliefs, but this question still bothers me. I am hoping for some perspectives on this. would be really appreciated.
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Reading your words, I feel moved to say that perhaps you are seeking external validation — a recognition that can confirm what you are feeling and manifesting. But this is the knot: you cannot explain it in a way that others can truly understand what you feel. You simply cannot. Magick lives precisely there — in the awareness that you have access to your own magical capacity. And that must be enough. It is a solitary sensing. Many times it makes you feel alone, strange, different — sometimes even crazy. Yet it is a power you may one day place in service to others.


Failures will always exist, in magick as in life. But we do not stop living because we fail. We learn, we refine, we grow — and we try not to fail the next time. Aleister Crowley used to say that success is the proof.


There is also another point: when you begin to truly feel magick within you, a contrary force may arise — a voice telling you that you are deluding yourself, that it is only coincidence. This is where tension is born, and with it the hunger for more certainty, more confirmation.


But even here — you cannot rely on that. Magick is faith. And faith ignites the moment you choose to believe with all your strength — not in magick as an abstract concept, but in your magick. On the esoteric path, doubt is not the enemy. It is the fire that burns away blind credulity and transforms practice into consciousness. “Does a supernatural power exist that only a few possess?”
Yes — but in truth everyone carries it. Not everyone, however, has the opportunity, the will, or the capacity to remain silent once it is attained.


Perhaps your growth is also dismantling your inner structures. Evolution requires release. And many releases are rooted deep in the unconscious; when those roots loosen, they can create conflict. Failure challenges you — but is it so different from approaching someone you desire and being told no? Does that not shake your self-esteem? Your need to feel loved and accepted?


Power resides within you first. The only way to learn to wield it is through experience. And the only way to feel it is to believe in yourself.
 
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