[Opinion] Is creation a trap?

[Morell]

Continuing the debate after this post, because we were getting far away from the books topic.

Seeking Recommendation - Books to study Gnosticism

I'm looking on books on Gnosticism, modern if possible. I want to get into understanding of this system and honestly ancient texts are hard to understand deeply for me, Gnostic gospels make little deeper sense to someone who is not even Christian...

wizardforums.com

I don't think creation is a trap. I think it's the place emergence.
Which includes our side of the veil. The structures inside it are constructed using human soul Godforms.
Dissolving and returning to the Sacred is just.... quitting....

And I 100% agree with you. Souls are supposed to grow fire on their own.
Which is why I greatly dislike religions and faiths that paint humanity as something that needs to be saved from themselves.
It's a subtle way of infantilizing souls and tricking them into handing over their sovereignty to others.

Ah, creation is a place of birth, but that's the issue. If you remain, you keep being created over and over again endlessly and never evolve beyond certain point, which can only lead to frustration in endless loop and a place of creation, then becomes a trap, or I should rather say prison. Like if you are high school kid trapped in ther kindergarten.

Quitting is definitely what is worth it, but it has to be leading the right way. Away, not back. I think that Gnosticism is worth looking into. I guess that it might have been rooted in seeking liberation from this creation. Just the end goal got altered with Christianity.

 

[Mystic_friend]

yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to

 

[Morell]

yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to

Definitely a valid opinion... if you can fulfill your desires that way...

 

[StarOfSitra]

Creation is the integration of the Whole into reality in perfect balance. Light and darkness, spirit and matter, the feminine and the masculine, peace and war... Creation is you on a macrocosmic level; that is why we are made in the image and likeness of the Whole. Therefore, each person must work on both their light and their darkness and accept both parts—understanding that both are good and that they are parts of oneself. Many pseudo-spiritual people reject darkness and declare themselves champions of light, but this only creates imbalances within our inner and soulful parts. We must accept what we are; creation is the reflection of horror and beauty forming a Whole.

 

[Evara]

Continuing the debate after this post, because we were getting far away from the books topic.

Seeking Recommendation - Books to study Gnosticism

I'm looking on books on Gnosticism, modern if possible. I want to get into understanding of this system and honestly ancient texts are hard to understand deeply for me, Gnostic gospels make little deeper sense to someone who is not even Christian...

wizardforums.com

Ah, creation is a place of birth, but that's the issue. If you remain, you keep being created over and over again endlessly and never evolve beyond certain point, which can only lead to frustration in endless loop and a place of creation, then becomes a trap, or I should rather say prison. Like if you are high school kid trapped in ther kindergarten.

Quitting is definitely what is worth it, but it has to be leading the right way. Away, not back. I think that Gnosticism is worth looking into. I guess that it might have been rooted in seeking liberation from this creation. Just the end goal got altered with Christianity.

Argh… a part of my soul is screaming from those words….

yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to

It’s both I think.
There’s many things that can cause people to come back. Desire is certainly one of them.
But corrupted myth is another, and is far fouler. Vices are you holding yourself back.
Corrupted myth is others holding you down…

And myth can’t get anymore corrupted than, “you are inherently lost and in need of saving from us.”
Guidance that does not possess, a mirror that holds and does not own. A space to expand and grow… that is what is needed…
That’s fertile soil for the soul.

My two cents anyways.

 

[Morell]

Creation is the integration of the Whole into reality in perfect balance. Light and darkness, spirit and matter, the feminine and the masculine, peace and war... Creation is you on a macrocosmic level; that is why we are made in the image and likeness of the Whole. Therefore, each person must work on both their light and their darkness and accept both parts—understanding that both are good and that they are parts of oneself. Many pseudo-spiritual people reject darkness and declare themselves champions of light, but this only creates imbalances within our inner and soulful parts. We must accept what we are; creation is the reflection of horror and beauty forming a Whole.

Rejecting of darkness seems to be very common mistake of mainstream religions...