I’ve been listening to Jason Miller’s class and he says curses are the easiest form of magic. Thoughts?

[robyangel]

Okay. Then it might not be fully them it might the time period. Astrologically this is kind of weird moment. I notice others around me are feeling this downward pull too.

But I agree it still is a grave thing to happen to you. I'm sorry that happened. I suppose that if this is the way you want to go.

If the enegy attacks keep coming then yeah reversing might be a good call.

Another tactic I learned is if you know the person and their likes and dislikes. Whenever you know you'll see them wear something you know they dislike so they'll be more likely to leave you alone. I do that sometimes and it works sometimes. But it might have to be subtle or they might catch on.

Of course—but these people are incredibly intelligent. You would have to be subtle. It becomes a form of environmental micro-manipulation, and if they catch on, escalation follows. And in the end, it still keeps the bond alive in a conflicted way, don’t you think? Even that is a very subtle form of attack. From these experiences, you always have to read the signs.


I’ve realized something: every one of these people has deep issues around food and sex—without exception. That’s important for me, because next time I encounter someone with that pattern, I will walk away immediately. Probably at the first signs around food, because by the time it reaches the sexual level, I might already be energetically contaminated.


And it’s precisely this sense of contamination that now needs to be cleared. The physical ties have been cut. Now I need to work on the energetic bond. From my perspective, it’s already over—but my perception tells me that from their side, it absolutely is not.

 

[Ohana]

Of course—but these people are incredibly intelligent. You would have to be subtle. It becomes a form of environmental micro-manipulation, and if they catch on, escalation follows. And in the end, it still keeps the bond alive in a conflicted way, don’t you think? Even that is a very subtle form of attack. From these experiences, you always have to read the signs.

Yeah. I've been there. Surrounding yourself with people you feel safe and trust can help with recovery from this.

Hopefully the reversal thing could work for you.

 

[Fish man]

100% as the easiest curse is the Evil Eye. You don't even need to believe or practice magic to be able to perform it.

 

[Angel 7]

I also toyed with the idea that governments have psi spies that are powerful enough to protect them. I also toyed with the idea that these powerful people are part of the larger destiny and are protected by things like fate. It is very difficult when you actually see banal future events because in order for any future event to actually happen, it is either already in play, and is fate or destiny, or we are puppets on a stage repeating something that already happened, or... etc. It can really mess with our linear time brains.

We have real evidence of energy healing, in science labs and experiments. And yes, I do think if we can actually heal, we can also harm. But, I also believe there is always a price. Just like the saying 'you are what you eat', you are likely also what you channel or connect with. Like the old Earth practice where things come back threefold.

A little off-topic perhaps, but watching and studying the more recent events in healing, like Prof. Bengston's/Moga's energy healing for cancer that has been injected into mice, I noted that this particular method appears to only be working on a specific cancer, or a specific type of cancer.

I also saw that the late Sean Harribance was able to do some interesting things with cancer. I also followed the distant intent studies of healers, the only success in one study was from the long-term practicing instructors/teachers, and all the students failed.

Following the Reiki studies, most of the weekend seminar folks can't produce anything of value. Yet they are still allowed to charge money for waving hands around and acting like they can. We obviously need better regulations and testing to allow this to be paid for by health insurance, like it currently is in many places. Those Reiki practitioners who can, can also move a compass needle repeatedly, produce magnetic fields that are pretty awesome, and many can produce the same type of electromagnetic chirp wave that Bengston and Moga measured and noticed during successful mouse healing sessions. The electromagnetic chirp wave should certainly be studied further to see what is generating it and why.

Bengston has continued with these studies, and discovered that they can channel this energy into cotton balls, and these cotton balls then heal the cancer in these mice as well, producing a foundation for talismanic magic that is pretty solid. So this energy can be transferred to objects as well.

I'm not a fan of only allowing the Catholic church to decide what is or isn't a miracle, but they do have a pretty rigorous set of requirements that appears to be valid.

All of these are very interesting areas that deserve much more study and attention, in particular because they can and do alleviate suffering and supply a very legitimate use of whatever energies they are.

I doubt that these individual people are the actual cause of the healing, or have these powers within their own sphere, I do think they can become vessels or conduits to help direct or guide certain energies. There is also never any guarantee that what they do will work, which again may be due to whatever forces are involved in plans, or destiny, or fate.

Alone that we can influence this energy and guide it should be an amazing discovery.

The bottom line is that the weekend seminar, or limited practices, do not always supply access. We always end up with skilled people that can, and a lot of wishful folks that believe they can, but actually can't.

So, it is never a given that any practice will supply an automatic return for your efforts, and it is also now obvious that simply believing in it, or believing you can, will supply any guarantee of success. Placebo is even turning out to be something different than science thought.

There was a very interesting study on placebos that showed a matching number of improvements between placebo patients and the real medicine patients, even when the scientists and patients were not aware of both groups. So the more the patients receiving the real medicine improved, the more the placebo group improved, even when they are unaware of each other. So it is a very confusing type of energy. Prof. Bengston calls it 'information energy' because it appears to be instructions or similar. But the bottom line to that is that it may not have anything to do with just believing in the fake pill. There is a real connection happening to other healing energies attracted to the entire process.

We again end up with skilled practitioners as the key ingredient, and not necessarily what it is they are practicing. And likely with energies being channeled and directed, but not owned or personal power. Some of this appears to have guardrails that are more fixed/permanent, and won't allow certain deviations or changes, likely because certain things are so fixed in destiny.

Thanks for this great post.I did not know he had moved his work on to objects! The idea that none of this is automatic fits with my personal experience of magic. It’s hard not easy, it takes work and study. I’ve worked a lot of healing, via magic and directly. My experience has been in the cases where it works, repeated effort does help, spirit contact has the strongest results. It does not always work for people, and I’ve tried very hard for some, to no effect. For whatever the reason. Destiny, karma, pre life agreements..I don’t know. But overall I’ve felt a willingness on the side of the spirits to aid the sick. In the case of mal, curses and binding. Magic which works against the will of someone. It’s harder, there is opposition from the target and any spirits engaged have agendas. But saying that I do not think mal work it always wrong. In this world it is justified at times. The restriction of someone’s will to harm can be a blessing for the victim and the attacker for example.

 

[Mannimarco]

I’ve been listening to Jason Miller’s Hekate class and whenever curses get brought up, he says that it is the easiest form of magic because it doesn’t require skill. I was wondering what other people‘s thoughts were on this. I’m pretty new to this, and I previously thought curses may have been one of the more difficult forms of magic because it has such a long-term impact and causes so much damage.
I was wondering if anyone had experience with this and if it was easier or harder to get results compared to other magic you’ve tried? It sounded counter intuitive to me but I wanted to get a read from people who are more involved than me.

Well, yes. And also no. It's complicated.

If someone thinks about another person while feeling "negative" emotions, some amount of negative energy will be sent to that person. Muggles do this all the time, without even believing in magick. This might technically be called baneful magick, though it's not usually very powerful, and indeed it does not require any skill. However, there are some people this will actually affect in a noticeable way. There is a VAST range between the easiest to curse people, and the hardest to curse people. Think hunting for rabbits, or aircraft carriers.

Further, if for any reason a curse could possibly shorten a persons lifespan by a lot, the targets Higher Self may become involved, at which point cursing them will become damn near impossible.

There are a lot of factors going into how difficult it will be for a given magickian to manifest a particular result.

Honestly with all these different opinions I’m getting I’m starting to wonder if different people just vibe with different kinds of magic better. Like maybe some people are just etherically built to be better at one thing or another.

Yes. Very much so.

 

[Keldan]

@robyangel Have you ever thought about working with justice? This isn’t just about protecting yourself and letting every ill intent current hit you, it’s about seeking justice for what’s being sent your way.

That doesn’t mean hexing or cursing anyone. It’s simply asking for justice, which is very different. It’s you consciously acknowledging that you want them held accountable for the harmful intent they’re directing at you.

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Based on what Mannimarco said above, if that applies to the context of the original post, then yes, using direct negativity as a “hex or curse” is easy. I wouldn’t call it a hex or curse, which is why I put it in quotation marks. But the moment you unconsciously direct negativity toward someone, and if a practitioner has things set up properly, it already starts affecting your life in many ways.

 

[Favonias]

From what I have observed, magic can be informed by physical physics. One thing, pressure systems, might also be a clue...this is intentionally myopic so yes, there are many other factors...the universe always seems to prefer being at equal pressure, and the more deviation the energy is required to offset the differential. For example, if you are an absolute pit of piss and misery and your target isn't, then that can set the stage for some extreme effects. Conversely if they are and you aren't then you are setting up some potentially life altering blowback...if you both are then any potential is negligible.
Again this is myopic, but I feel that it has the potential to get a better handle on these equations.
Human psychology and societal programming being what it is, we are more likely than not to be fairly full pits and therefore it's the easiest valve to get flow from and also why a lot of our live are just revolving drama and also IMO why it can be very hard to get a solid hit...especially on a public figure. Easiest doesn't necessarily mean most effective.

 

[sydward]

I think it is very easy to curse, but the severity and success varies. It’s like a sandwich, you can make a basic pb&j easily or a 17-step gourmet creation.

If someone cuts me off on the highway and I flip them off, that could be considered a curse. It is an action with the intent to cause negativity to another person. In terms of effectiveness, it’s probably not going to do very much besides making the both of us upset.

That brings me to my other point, that curses are so easy to do that we often accidentally curse ourselves. Take my previous example, by getting angry at the other person, my blood pressure elevates and I feel horrible. I am doing damage to myself as well as potentially to the other person. It is easy to curse, but it is not easy to curse safely.

A note to consider is that in order to have clear discussions we should probably give definitions of the terms we use. Someone’s “curse” could be another person’s “hex.” For me, I think a curse is an action with the intent to bring negativity in any form to another.