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Just wondering if there have been any real leaked documents from freemasonry or Rosicrucian, especially in the higher degrees?

Primarily for learning purposes I'm interested in learning what they've learned, not really interested in reading their rituals and scripts.

Anyone know of any books like this? E.g. a book or document a master mason would learn from? Seems very hard to find. Thanks.
 
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Why not just join Masonry and experience the ritual first hand? Even if you were to be given a manuscript of the ritual, you'd be looking at it from the eyes of an outsider and even if you had a conceptual knowledge it would not be experiential knowledge.

At the same time, you'd do well to understand what Masonry is and how it is structured. The highest degree that is universally recognized by all jurisdictions, as per the landmarks, is the 3°. Most Grand a lodge only confer these three degrees, with all others being parallel in appendant bodies. Only in jurisdictions with a further throughline do you have a degree that is considered higher- and again it will not be recognized as higher than the third in most jurisdictions.

I will also tell you that most of what you will find online is either inaccurate, incomplete or have errors in them ..and even if you found a decent copy of the ritual the only way you'll know if they are accurate is if you join and go through them yourself.

Some jurisdictions don't have books at all, teaching mouth to ear. Others have ritual ciphers which you must learn to read. There are also monitors which teach the symbolism and tenents of Masonry, which are generally available to you once you've become a Master Mason 3°.

You say that you aren't interested in the rituals but what is learned, however you have to understand that ritual is manner of teaching in Masonry and this why the degrees are called degrees. They are educational in nature, Masonry teaching a peculiar system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols.

The Craft Degrees - These are the degrees depicting ancient craft masonry which takes the candidate through what it would have been like in the old stone guilds, going from apprentice to master. Any rite of Masonry has to have the craft degrees elsewise it is not considered masonry. These are morality plays and working instruction based on Chronicles and Kings from the Bible as well as a Renaissance education.

Lodge of Profection 4° to 14° - These degrees are from a body originally known as the Order/Rite of perfection and it's lessons originally being rooted in the work out in the field as opposed to when the guild, and the erecting of the buildings on site. If the craft Lodge provides the ashlar and corner stone, this set of degrees seems to put a fine fish or polish on the stove and the 14° degree is understood to be the restoration and perfection of the 3°. Beyond this one actually moves beyond Masonic degrees and into the knightly or chivalric degrees.
The equivalent of this body in York Rite is York chapter with the Royal Arch being equivalent to the 13° and 14°.

The Mystic Council of the Princes of Jerusalem 15° & 16° - If Masonry is an original trilogy, this body of the Masonic family is the sequel. These degrees deal with building if the second temple. They also offer a path from stone working to knighthood.

The Rose Croix 17° and 18° - The 17° provides the transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament while the 18th is a Rosicrucian degree also rooted in Scottish heredom wherein Jesus Christ is the exemplar. The 18° was at one point the highest degree of the SR during the era where a Rosicrucian origin story was popular, prior to the Templar story becoming more popular.

The remaining degrees are divided differently depending on jurisdiction and differ between Northern and Southern Jurisdictions of the Scottish Rites...but alas:

Knights Qadosh 19°-30° in the SRSJ - These are chivalric or knightly degrees and depict artistic license regarding historic events pertaining to the Knights Templar as well as the Protestant vs Catholic kings during feudalism. These degrees are the SR equivalent to the Commandry degrees in Scottish Rite.

Consistory in SRSJ 31°-32° - These degrees were written to add final resolution to and being together the various bodies of the Scottish Rite, wherein the whole tapestry and future outlook of the order comes into view. The 31° offers one final judgement and tribulation before the culmination of giving ones life to those virtues in the 32° where the nature of the temple is realized and the 14° is fully embodied.

Consistory SRNJ 19°-32° - In the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite,most if the knightly degrees have been replaced by patriotic degrees based in events and tall tales if U.S. history, seeing as how the states are far removed from Kings.

33° An Honorary degree, debiting eldership and lifetime achievement award within the Scottish Rite.

Rosicrucianism - A form of Christian mysticism and Magic incorporating alchemy and using Hermeticism to address some of the pitfalls of Gnosticism. Wherein there is no magic in Freemasonry, there is within typical Rosicrucian systems. While Masonic degrees are based in Biblical and Historical Events, Rosicrucian grades ares based in the mystical ascent up the Tree of Life. As Masonry emerged out if the stone guilds, Rosicrucianism can be seen as emerging out of the metallurgical or alchemical guilds.

Rosicrucianism has even more elusive origins than Freemasonry. Outside of the original three manifestos not much of the original Rosicrucians is known. Aside from what can be understood of the Alchemical wedding their rituals are not known. In 1750 Herman Fictuld, Alchemist and Mason, is credited with either founding or reforming the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, which is where the Rosicrucian grade system comes from. These rituals, often fragmentary, were simpler than that if the Golden Dawn yet more esoteric and alchemical than those of the SRiA, it's successor in Masonic Rosicrucianism. While Herman is credited with founding the Golden and Rosy Cross, he himself speculated that it was a remnant of the Order of the Golden Fleece, indicating it prexisting his involvement, in some form.
 

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Why not just join Masonry and experience the ritual first hand? Even if you were to be given a manuscript of the ritual, you'd be looking at it from the eyes of an outsider and even if you had a conceptual knowledge it would not be experiential knowledge.

At the same time, you'd do well to understand what Masonry is and how it is structured. The highest degree that is universally recognized by all jurisdictions, as per the landmarks, is the 3°. Most Grand a lodge only confer these three degrees, with all others being parallel in appendant bodies. Only in jurisdictions with a further throughline do you have a degree that is considered higher- and again it will not be recognized as higher than the third in most jurisdictions.

I will also tell you that most of what you will find online is either inaccurate, incomplete or have errors in them ..and even if you found a decent copy of the ritual the only way you'll know if they are accurate is if you join and go through them yourself.

Some jurisdictions don't have books at all, teaching mouth to ear. Others have ritual ciphers which you must learn to read. There are also monitors which teach the symbolism and tenents of Masonry, which are generally available to you once you've become a Master Mason 3°.

You say that you aren't interested in the rituals but what is learned, however you have to understand that ritual is manner of teaching in Masonry and this why the degrees are called degrees. They are educational in nature, Masonry teaching a peculiar system of morality veiled in allegory and illustrated by symbols.

The Craft Degrees - These are the degrees depicting ancient craft masonry which takes the candidate through what it would have been like in the old stone guilds, going from apprentice to master. Any rite of Masonry has to have the craft degrees elsewise it is not considered masonry. These are morality plays and working instruction based on Chronicles and Kings from the Bible as well as a Renaissance education.

Lodge of Profection 4° to 14° - These degrees are from a body originally known as the Order/Rite of perfection and it's lessons originally being rooted in the work out in the field as opposed to when the guild, and the erecting of the buildings on site. If the craft Lodge provides the ashlar and corner stone, this set of degrees seems to put a fine fish or polish on the stove and the 14° degree is understood to be the restoration and perfection of the 3°. Beyond this one actually moves beyond Masonic degrees and into the knightly or chivalric degrees.
The equivalent of this body in York Rite is York chapter with the Royal Arch being equivalent to the 13° and 14°.

The Mystic Council of the Princes of Jerusalem 15° & 16° - If Masonry is an original trilogy, this body of the Masonic family is the sequel. These degrees deal with building if the second temple. They also offer a path from stone working to knighthood.

The Rose Croix 17° and 18° - The 17° provides the transition from the Old Testament to the New Testament while the 18th is a Rosicrucian degree also rooted in Scottish heredom wherein Jesus Christ is the exemplar. The 18° was at one point the highest degree of the SR during the era where a Rosicrucian origin story was popular, prior to the Templar story becoming more popular.

The remaining degrees are divided differently depending on jurisdiction and differ between Northern and Southern Jurisdictions of the Scottish Rites...but alas:

Knights Qadosh 19°-30° in the SRSJ - These are chivalric or knightly degrees and depict artistic license regarding historic events pertaining to the Knights Templar as well as the Protestant vs Catholic kings during feudalism. These degrees are the SR equivalent to the Commandry degrees in Scottish Rite.

Consistory in SRSJ 31°-32° - These degrees were written to add final resolution to and being together the various bodies of the Scottish Rite, wherein the whole tapestry and future outlook of the order comes into view. The 31° offers one final judgement and tribulation before the culmination of giving ones life to those virtues in the 32° where the nature of the temple is realized and the 14° is fully embodied.

Consistory SRNJ 19°-32° - In the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite,most if the knightly degrees have been replaced by patriotic degrees based in events and tall tales if U.S. history, seeing as how the states are far removed from Kings.

33° An Honorary degree, debiting eldership and lifetime achievement award within the Scottish Rite.

Rosicrucianism - A form of Christian mysticism and Magic incorporating alchemy and using Hermeticism to address some of the pitfalls of Gnosticism. Wherein there is no magic in Freemasonry, there is within typical Rosicrucian systems. While Masonic degrees are based in Biblical and Historical Events, Rosicrucian grades ares based in the mystical ascent up the Tree of Life. As Masonry emerged out if the stone guilds, Rosicrucianism can be seen as emerging out of the metallurgical or alchemical guilds.

Rosicrucianism has even more elusive origins than Freemasonry. Outside of the original three manifestos not much of the original Rosicrucians is known. Aside from what can be understood of the Alchemical wedding their rituals are not known. In 1750 Herman Fictuld, Alchemist and Mason, is credited with either founding or reforming the Order of the Golden and Rosy Cross, which is where the Rosicrucian grade system comes from. These rituals, often fragmentary, were simpler than that if the Golden Dawn yet more esoteric and alchemical than those of the SRiA, it's successor in Masonic Rosicrucianism. While Herman is credited with founding the Golden and Rosy Cross, he himself speculated that it was a remnant of the Order of the Golden Fleece, indicating it prexisting his involvement, in some form.
i come from a long tradition of freemasons in my family, and at least for my experience at least here in Italy you can join masonry only by invite idk in other countries
 
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i come from a long tradition of freemasons in my family, and at least for my experience at least here in Italy you can join masonry only by invite idk in other countries

We don't invite, that's not our ethic.
We might invite you to a dinner but not to be a mason, you've got to ask. Even in jourisdictions were Grand Lodges have pushed being loose on the ethic, the craft has said "lol, no".

Also be careful, there are a lot of clandestine 'fake' lodges in Italy that are fronts for other, often criminal, organizations.
 

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In terms of doctrines and basic practices, pretty much everything is publicly available now. More than one person has paid a Rosicrucian order for their mail order monographs and been disappointed to find that it was all information they had already found in a book somewhere. Not that these associations don't offer value but it is more in terms of the fellowship and guidance you might find than any secrets. Some would also argue that some secrets keep themselves, even when publicly viewed- a given text or teaching may be publicly manifest but incomprehensible or useless to anyone who approaches it without the proper mindset or training.

Rosicrucianism in particular is very much a moving target it terms of what its essence is. Apart from the historic Rosicrucian manifestoes, one might find its sources in varied places like Paracelsus, Jakob Bohme, Jane Lead, etc. not to mention the earlier Platonic and hermetic texts. Again, all of this is readily available, often for free, to the general public.
 

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We don't invite, that's not our ethic.
We might invite you to a dinner but not to be a mason, you've got to ask. Even in jourisdictions were Grand Lodges have pushed being loose on the ethic, the craft has said "lol, no".

Also be careful, there are a lot of clandestine 'fake' lodges in Italy that are fronts for other, often criminal, organizations.
In Florida, we can invite somebody once that we know well and consider a good candidate for Masonry. But in general we adhere to 2B1Ask1.

I have found documents from other states that are very close to our rituals in Florida but not quite the same. Someone could read everything on the web about Masonry and get the gist of it, but they wouldn't be able to fool a real Mason. And they wouldn't have a Dues Card either. lol

Being a member of a Masonic Lodge has greatly improved my ritual ability and has opened my eyes to what is happening in many occult rituals in books and I have adapted them for use by myself to fit my style.
 

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Just wondering if there have been any real leaked documents from freemasonry or Rosicrucian, especially in the higher degrees?

Primarily for learning purposes I'm interested in learning what they've learned, not really interested in reading their rituals and scripts.

Anyone know of any books like this? E.g. a book or document a master mason would learn from? Seems very hard to find. Thanks.

Hey, I also posted a huge amount of Freemason stuff recently.
 

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By the time information makes its way to the outer court, enough has changed to make it effectively useless. Someone in possession of Duncan's Monitor and Ritual would be no more equipped to enter Masonry than the unread.
 

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rituals are not known
The only information i can get on that is hearsay. The hearsay i heard around it was that they adopted practices from old witchcraft just like the practices of George Pickingill who had a huge influence on Gerald Gardner of modern Wicca. Although i cannot prove this at all, it does sound like this is possible. Looking at the orders which are more modern like the Golden Dawn, it seems like just about every order spawns off another.
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order spawns off another.
And i see a very strong connection between the Islamic Sufis and the Freemasons in the way freemasonary is constructed. Not exactly the same model but very close. The Islamic Sufis would have lodges with the arabic numerals 7 and 8 intersecting one another as a symbol outside of their lodges — as you will see this makes the exact same formation as the square and compass symbol. Now do they both have the same meaning? I would say no so far as i have not spent a ton of time studying numerology in a Islamic context. I did a bit today, but not enough to confidently write to you about it. As for the freemason square and compass symbol i do know one obscure detail of it. The compass is always set at 47 degrees so if you add that to the square (90) you get 137. 1/137 equals 0.007 known as the fine structure constant in math. Now with further examination I just looked the letter "G" and that happens to be the 7th letter of the alphabet. Now in Islam there is a concept of "7 heavens and 7 earths." This of course is just some food for thought, not exactly saying this has to do with Islam this symbol.

Interesting thing is during the time of WWII there was a man by the name Rudolf Von Sebottendorf who was a Sufi freemason that had a huge influence on Hitler before Hitler got into power. Eventually when Hitler was in power he basically went to war with freemasonary in Germany. What makes this story even crazier is that Hitlers largest SS unit was Islamic — a detail that never really gets much attention — common enemy the Jews. Anyways you can form a conspiracy theory off everything i said but i will just leave you with that information.

I will say though if you are expecting to understand what the master freemason does you won't no matter how much you try too. Just know they are following a mystery rite tradition which indoctrinates you into their way of thinking.
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The only information i can get on that is hearsay. The hearsay i heard around it was that they adopted practices from old witchcraft just like the practices of George Pickingill who had a huge influence on Gerald Gardner of modern Wicca. Although i cannot prove this at all, it does sound like this is possible. Looking at the orders which are more modern like the Golden Dawn, it seems like just about every order spawns off another.
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And i see a very strong connection between the Islamic Sufis and the Freemasons in the way freemasonary is constructed. Not exactly the same model but very close. The Islamic Sufis would have lodges with the arabic numerals 7 and 8 intersecting one another as a symbol outside of their lodges — as you will see this makes the exact same formation as the square and compass symbol. Now do they both have the same meaning? I would say no so far as i have not spent a ton of time studying numerology in a Islamic context. I did a bit today, but not enough to confidently write to you about it. As for the freemason square and compass symbol i do know one obscure detail of it. The compass is always set at 47 degrees so if you add that to the square (90) you get 137. 1/137 equals 0.007 known as the fine structure constant in math. Now with further examination I just looked the letter "G" and that happens to be the 7th letter of the alphabet. Now in Islam there is a concept of "7 heavens and 7 earths." This of course is just some food for thought, not exactly saying this has to do with Islam this symbol.

Interesting thing is during the time of WWII there was a man by the name Rudolf Von Sebottendorf who was a Sufi freemason that had a huge influence on Hitler before Hitler got into power. Eventually when Hitler was in power he basically went to war with freemasonary in Germany. What makes this story even crazier is that Hitlers largest SS unit was Islamic — a detail that never really gets much attention — common enemy the Jews. Anyways you can form a conspiracy theory off everything i said but i will just leave you with that information.

I will say though if you are expecting to understand what the master freemason does you won't no matter how much you try too. Just know they are following a mystery rite tradition which indoctrinates you into their way of thinking.
In my opinion its best to study the apparent influences of freemasonary which is clearily found in their symbology.
 
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