Magick, humanity and its "limitations"

[Beyond Everything]

LOL, don't mistake knowledge and humility for weakness, or do, up to you. Your gutter thoughts are wasted energy on me.
You appear to be very slanted towards focusing on the negative, while promoting arrogance and being condescending.
That is all your energy is getting you, and it is obvious to everyone who reads your vitriol.
I've likely been oobing away multiple decades past your short little lifespan. But I was never so awkward or arrogant. Trying to shove your venom down other people's throats like this shows extreme immaturity.
You likely can't do much with an ego that size, it drains every last bit of real energy, so you obviously are just posturing to make up for a lack of skill, or some other loss or shortcoming.
Perhaps you need some help, or a hug?

Well, with that sort of reaction I can see how you're fed upon.

 

[Ohana]

The last entity I dealt with obviously could care less what we think or want, and was simply trying to stir up emotions so it could feed off that energy, and it didn't give a flying f$ck what kind of emotional energy it was getting. Fear was simply the easiest one to cause in most humans.

Why doesn't this entity go to haunted houses. Not actual ones. The attractions. People willingly go to those to feel fear.
Would make more haunted houses appease these entities? Then people feel fear. Or horror movies could rely on horror movie theaters and find people that willingly want to be scared.
Seems like the easier option. Less energy involved in creating the fear and just gets fear that people willingly go to.

Maybe some halloween stores could last all year. I know a lot of people who like halloween season. I like halloween season. I think these entities have been told they're bad for just existing for so long that maybe forgot the really obvious solution. And thats that some people in fact a lot of people like haunted houses.

Oh they could also go to theme parks. A lot of excitement fear energy there. Or campfire ghost stories. People willingly tell eachother those and like to hear them. Is the demand too high? If the demands too high then could talk to people and tell them their needs as a entity? And it would just be easier. Unless these entities have to create the emotionl energy themselves but energy can't be created or destroyed. Thats a scientific law. It just changes. hmm just throwing out potential solutions.

 

[Durward]

Why doesn't this entity go to haunted houses. Not actual ones. The attractions. People willingly go to those to feel fear.
Would make more haunted houses appease these entities? Then people feel fear. Or horror movies could rely on horror movie theaters and find people that willingly want to be scared.
Seems like the easier option. Less energy involved in creating the fear and just gets fear that people willingly go to.

Maybe some halloween stores could last all year. I know a lot of people who like halloween season. I like halloween season. I think these entities have been told they're bad for just existing for so long that maybe forgot the really obvious solution. And thats that some people in fact a lot of people like haunted houses.

Oh they could also go to theme parks. A lot of excitement fear energy there. Or campfire ghost stories. People willingly tell eachother those and like to hear them. Is the demand too high? If the demands too high then could talk to people and tell them their needs as a entity? And it would just be easier. Unless these entities have to create the emotionl energy themselves but energy can't be created or destroyed. Thats a scientific law. It just changes. hmm just throwing out potential solutions.

All legitimate things we think of.
What I did notice is that it appeared to have a small area of operation, over a limited portion of the house and grounds. The only connection to that I could find was a giant crack going through the center of the living room. That crack was a ground fault that the house was sitting on, and this thing did appear after the 1963 earthquake opened that crack up even more.
That reminds me of other entity stories I've heard, where they come up from wells, caves, etc.
But, it never ventured past the edges of the property, and it never tried to communicate in any format that would make sense.

In my opinion, trying to make sense of some of these entities might be an interesting study. If we could communicate, that thing might be able to tell us why it is stuck and doesn't go someplace it can have a buffet all day.

 

[Ohana]

In my opinion, trying to make sense of some of these entities might be an interesting study. If we could communicate, that thing might be able to tell us why it is stuck and doesn't go someplace it can have a buffet all day.

I agree understanding I think would be the way to go.

Well, I'm not shrinking in fear like you are. So that's one thing straight off.

The more humble you program yourself to be, the more you're going to disempower yourself.

I think you are confusing humility with shame. Humility is hard to define but I think it means accepting who you are even the parts you might not like and accepting them and working on them. Or taking a break from working on yourself. People needs to rest and sleep. Sleeping is very important to health I think.

I define shame is hiding it. Pretending it doesn't exist. It disempowers in the way that you no longer can grow as much because you no longer acknowledge any room for improvement. I think shame does disempower.

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I know because I felt and still feel shame. And it is very disempowering. I got a lot of shame put into me recently and I have been struggling everyday.

 

[Saint]

Even on the left hand path, which seems to preach self empowerment and self liberation and such, theres still always this being "above" you that you have to learn from, this being possibly not being one who actually cares about humans or puts humans first

They don't 'have to'. They chose to learn from them. Same way, they are not 'below' these beings, they chose to subordinate themselves, they chose worship, they chose to be less than what they are. They are the wall-setters, and if only they'd know how much control one possess, it'd be different; they could demolish these walls, not just set them up. But this is a learning process, and as you look around, you can see, everyone is on somewhere else in this ladder. Limits are often our own, and many are unaware how much they truly responsible for them.

I understand the reason behind it, but as for me, it was never an option. I do not consider the Infernals (or any other spiritual beings) I bond with as my higher ups, nor ever worshipped them. I love them. I respect them. We are equals. I don't see them as higher forces than I am. Just forces, same I am. I do not disrespect them, I simply respect myself and see here; they respect me (and those who fail to respect- and couldn't find peace with themselves yet, often find this obscene or repulsive).

In the other hand, you can find a lot of people hiding behind the back of powerful beings or paths interpreted as dangerous and dark, because they themselves need a force that they can put up like a dress, carry it around, hoping that the people around will see it as their own 'strength' and reap respect for it; while in reality, they struggle.

For the way I see it, I am not a 'human', at the end of the day. I am a soul, with an unspeakable amount of history behind it's back and a lot of knowledge (like everyone else, whether they are aware or not). So much, that it's impossible and in fact, could be strikingly harmful to put everything into the limited essence of mere flesh and bone of the vessel we possess as time being; it's not designed to have all of it. Soul does. Being born on the material plane? It happens for reasons, and the body we need to do so? It has other purposes, and to it, it serves well; but that's about it.

Maybe I'm not making my point very well but its like in order to "gain" something, don't you first have to believe you don't have it to begin with? In order to get "better" don't you have to first believe you aren't good enough?

You are seeking for answers, knowledge to understand something you appear to be concerned you are unaware. That's self-awareness.

The magical systems are ultimately tainted by the limits of a 'human mind' (many things humans touch and try to make sense of), and there are truth and knowledge-seekers who does more than just follow any of these blindly. They walk their own way, experience, and build an imagine in their mind of what the truth is, out of the pieces they put together by witnessing and understanding them themselves; and those who truly wise can peacefully say, even if they found their conclusion (momentarily or not) comfort of anything (at all), they still can be wrong, it still can be flawed.

...and being flawed, limited is essential to be able to evolve. If we'd be perfect, we would not be here, to begin with.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I think you are confusing humility with shame.

The word I was responding to was 'humble', and that was in relation to other entities.

One needs to interrogate deeply all such emotions. And deal with them energetically. Otherwise one is open to exploitation.

 

[Ohana]

The word I was responding to was 'humble', and that was in relation to other entities.

One needs to interrogate deeply all such emotions. And deal with them energetically. Otherwise one is open to exploitation.

I do kind of agree with that. But there is all room for risk. I did what you positioned. I wasn't deep into believing the occult at time just some tarot readings. But I knew about therapy and I knew I had issues with my emotions being too big so I tried to learn to accept and release them in healthy ways.

I interrogated every single emotion I had. I studied I tried to maintain logic. I was grounded and yet I still fell prey to explotation. By a somewhat in-between of spiritual forces and people. Maybe people affected by entities or maybe just mental illness? I don't truly know for sure. Atleast it made me more open minded.

But I still got exploited. Doing this definitely is healthy and maybe more people should do this so explotation is less but I don't know if it will ever be zero. Sometimes it happens and just have to learn from it. Thats why I felt deep shame. I tried to not be and still it happens.

But I do kind of agree that people should look at their emotions more but sometimes can't know everything and sometimes just have to trust something to move forward. I should know I have massive trust issues. The way they got me was my one blind spot involving my dad issues. A play I didn't think someone I was there would stoop low enough to do but they did. Now I just have to learn and move on.

There's like a balancing act or something can't trust too much but also can't never trust. Its weird and everyone has to figure it out for kind of themselves but they don't have to do it alone. Thats why theres this forum I think so people can exchange what worked and what didn't.