On "crossing the abyss"

[FireBorn]

I'm stuck somewhere at the intersection of the areas or in the Da'at field.
They showed me roughly what it looks like, that is, it is connected to the ancient earth. At dawn, the ancient times of the earth were given, and the spirit that watched over the earth at that time
What they showed was like Ancient Tiamat Or ki - the Region, and it was in some kind of dark, secret abode. But be careful with this. Because it could somehow cause a local earthquake.
First, one must meditate for a long time on the ancient land, as it was called, the most ancient one was called.
Then you also need to receive a blessing from above for this practice. If the blessing was given, we feel warmth in the heart and pressure on the head from above by some force...

I want to be clear on something, because your response didn’t actually answer the question I asked: Did you personally cross the Abyss of Da'at?

If yes, then I would really value hearing what that was like for you, in your words, your experience, without the layers of symbolic interpretation. It looks like the answer is no.

Because I’m seeing a trend in this thread that’s worth calling out, people responding to direct questions about experience with philosophy or imagery. And while those things can be beautiful or useful in other contexts, they’re not what OP asked for. He asked about lived, real-world, soul-level experience, not theories, not tools, not stories.

So I’m not trying to be combative here, I just want to make sure this thread stays rooted in what actually happened to people. Not what could happen. Not what we imagine. Not what might resemble it. But the thing itself.

If you’ve crossed, I’m listening. If you haven’t, no harm in that. Just be real. That’s all I’m asking.

 

[MacLu69]

Ask him neon_trapezoid, he was the one who created this topic.
You cannot say that you have crossed the abyss, for as long as a person lives, he crosses this abyss. If a person does not live - Then can we say that he He passed through this abyss, and then disappeared somewhere...
As long as the earth spins, as long as the earth flies, this is the sphere on which we all live We, and all of us, collectively, amicably cross this abyss...

 

[IllusiveOwl]

He asked about lived, real-world, soul-level experience

I had a thought, but figured I may as well just clarify.

The experience was desired for but no real comprehension or expectation was there, I had set up my ritual chamber draped in matte black with a single candle, and had meditated before my altar in search of the great cosmic dragon, I had done this a few times before to no success. But the heart wants what the heart wants, baby.

Rather than having a cool and dramatic storyboard worthy experience, like looking into the eyes of a literal dragon floating in the void behind reality to gain Merlin's word of power, it was like someone had suddenly turned the stage lights on and gave the whole production away, with all its cardboard trees and dead secrets. This illuminated myself as well, you said it was like dropping your masks on the floor like so much spaghetti, it was a sudden and dreadful "Oh..." type of realization for me. If there had been anyone to scream, I probably would have, never been the crying type though. The secret was out and the power I actually possess as a cosmic actor made itself evident.

This wasn't a temporary enlightenment either, it's remembered and accounted for in each of my interactions, perspectives, and silly worthless little choices.

As long as the earth spins, as long as the earth flies, this is the sphere on which we all live We, and all of us, collectively, amicably cross this abyss...

You don't understand the topic of discussion.

 

[MacLu69]

It came to my mind, I immediately remembered 10 types of abyss

1 This is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Where they passed over the bridge, a pack of crocodiles was waiting in the abyss below.

2 is the movie Indiana Jones and the Crusade. Where they overcame trials in order to obtain the Holy Grail. And there was a bridge across eternity.

3 The third example is from the movie Stargate, where people were sent to an unknown destination, with no way to return. That is, there was a risk. For the first Stargate team, that is, flying over the cosmic abyss.

4 example of the abyss is from the movie The Golden Child with Eddie Murphy and John Woo.
The moment when he had to pass the test - in some fabulous secret place, passing through columns that were held by something unknown and seemed to hang in the air, with nothing underneath them and no bottom. He had to overcome these tests and take the There was a magic knife.

5 image of the abyss is from the ocean depths filmed by Cameron and is called the abyss.

6 In my opinion, in the movie. Adapted from the comics - Spawn - the creature. With Father Emil Estevez Charlie Sheena.. - Martina Sheena.
There was a lot of computer graphics, superb, and there was a scene about the abyss.

7 Also, I think in Star Wars, in one of the parts there was a scene of crossing the abyss

8 I remembered the movie about the Langoliers, the shining on the of the Mojave Desert, the plane enther into this abyss, appeared 15 minutes ago in time, the Time Radar in the abyss moved it to another shining on the other end of the Continuum.

9 Also in the film, the golden sphere, in my opinion, the sphere in the film was an abyss.

10 And of course the abyss in dreams and the state of slumber...

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[IllusiveOwl]

10 types of abyss

None of these are what we're talking about. Fiction is also a poor crafted reflection, a simulation of reality made to point the way for those too sleepy to have cognitive function strong enough to apprehend the world around them.

 

[Kepler]

I'm thinking of this in Crowleyan/OTO terms, where to reach a certain point of the path of knowledge/initiation/growth/development, it is necessary to "cross the abyss". It has been described as a melting of personality into the "All", but I'm curious what that really looks like physically/mentally for a person.

In Crowleyan terms of progressive initiation there are insights gained into the Abyss through interactions with it during earlier stages of initiation. Significantly in the Second Order when making contact with the Third.

Before getting to that however, in One Star In Sight it's the Initiate's momentum described as pushing them into the Abyss. It was this warning that convinced me to take as long as possible to advance through earlier initiatory Grades after Neophyte and The Vision of the Holy Guardian Angel. Partly also to be familiar with that force that's pushing.

That initial bearing and with developing my own revisable Xabalistic map from my experiences following 777 advice also helped immensely with the initiatory transition decades later from Major Adept to the tasks of Exempt Adept. Providing a tested fleshed out framework to form a new personalized comprehensive and coherent school of thought once set to the Task in prep for the Abyss.
Accurately creating a school of thought that includes the Abyss requires being informed on conditions beyond the Abyss before having gone through it. At least before going through it in one's current incarnation. Translating a book from a past life appears to limit the initiate to the model the text was written under. That human understanding of the universe has gone far beyond the Crystal Sphere of Saturn really makes the old philosophies of wisdom and their metaphysics contextualized with "All" and the Realm of Ideal Forms to explain and recreate Experience obsolete. In view of this the thought of translating one of my past life books was unacceptable for enlightened progression with momentum aligned to a current understanding of the celestial for safely Crossing the Abyss. Which experiments with the new understanding of the universe may reveal to be something else than previously considered.

To one of the OP questions, in my experience, the closest individual psychological analogy to Crossing the Abyss would be the Blending and Unblending of Parts in Internal Family Systems. This type of psychological work will likely be considered preparatory in my school of thought for Crossing the Abyss. It mirrors a concept of the Abyss where the parts of what could be considered the universal mind that incarnate a soul are unblended in a similar way on a much larger scale that changes the world.

Interesting co-incidence to be inspired to post about this on the day of Aleister Crowley's Greater Feast. To the Beast!

 

[Faria]

For those of you who have had the experience of crossing the abyss, how did that experience manifest for you?

I'm thinking of this in Crowleyan/OTO terms, where to reach a certain point of the path of knowledge/initiation/growth/development, it is necessary to "cross the abyss". It has been described as a melting of personality into the "All", but I'm curious what that really looks like physically/mentally for a person.

My personal interpretation is that the Abyss is death, and that you do not cross it and remain alive. Those who appear in the world as Master of the Temple are assumed to be reincarnations of those who have achieved that status. That is my personal interpretation.

I have not ever met someone for whom "Crossing the Abyss" means something other than "Went Broke" or "Embraced Being Poor." I have never seen anyone give up anything substantial as part of this grade, nor anyone who was able to maintain a stable group of disciples following their achievement.

Also just my personal take, but anyone who tells you a title or number of their grade as a magician, whether they are in a formal group or not, is full of shit.